Today I was a bit unlucky but I also made several wrong decisions: called instead of folding and vice versa... I also "forgot" to 3bet sometimes.



In the following hand MP and BTN were huge fish, BB was a LAG-fish (40% donk) and SB was an unknown player. What's our play OTF?

I have just finished the 4th week of this challenge. Overall graph and some stats:



Stats:

• Volume: 15.039
• VP$IP/PFR: 23/19
• 3bet: 3.6
• 3bet (last 7 days): 4.3
• Win-rate: 3.89 bb/100
• Ww/oSD: -12.71 bb/100

My win-rate is terrible but this is mainly due to those early days in this week when I couldn't win with kings. I still have to 3bet more so I'm going to work on this in the following days.

The following hand proves why set-mining is so profitable. All my opponents were huge fish, the BTN was an aggrodonk.

i wouldn't say that a 3,8bb/100 WR is terrible...


AA hand vs. a an aggrofish donking on this board i think i still raise for value or flat if i think he makes more betting mistakes with his tp, overpairs. having the Ad also gives us a bdFD. if it was vs. a good reg it's a standard fold imo.

gl with your challenge

Oh, thx. NL10 at Stars is so soft making around 8-10bb/100 shouldn't be a problem either.

I'm happy to stack off against the aggrofish here but BTN and SB are still behind me. I shoved, BTN folded but SB called w/ top set. BB (the aggrodonk) called too and showed TT.

I wonder if calling is better here?

Thx!

sorry didn't see SB in the hand. then i think calling is def better. we're not really afraid of draws as our Ad blocks some drawing cambos. fold if SB reraises. if he calls ott you have an easy fold when SB leads after this action.
i'd take a note that SB cold calls a 3bet setmining with original raiser yet to act.

i wonder if there's any difference between 10NL on Stars and 10NL on FT.
i've just moved up to FT 10NL (FR though) and i think 4-5bb/100 hands is still pretty ok.

this: as excersise try raise or fold, almost never CALL and learn to 3/5bet with nonpremiums (pre- and postflop), i find high SC, medium PP, suited A2,3,4,5 ideal for this purpose, you'll be amazed how often you pick up the pot directly and if not villain will be very scared (checking down his rockets, gives you the chance to suck out), ofc. making good (2/3rd pot) Cbets too. if your repping a big hand your bets must be convincing too (either big or smallish suckerbets, with monsters AND bluffs

NOT the best example: i called PF cause of the odds; he only played ~20%.
flopraise for if he missed the flop and Cbetted. if 3rd daimond would come i'd bet strong! turn and river fitted too good in his range... but imagine he had AQ+ or 22-TT (without hitting boat/quads ofc.)

Thx, I think we can agree on this.

Yeah, I saw your thread but I used to play FR back in 2008-2009 on bwin so I can't really contribute to that. A WR of 4-5bb/100 is obviously fine but I know I can achieve twice as much if I finally manage to fix some of my postflop leaks.

Thx for the advice but I'm unfortunatly not that good I can call 3bets w/ small PP (even IP) and than bluff raise on such boards. What I mean is, I think I have to improve my hand reading skills first. On the other hand you're def. right: I'm too weak/tight and probably miss a lot of good bluffing opportunities.

I have played too sessions with a good result.



In the following hand villain was a 32/20 (over 42 hands) and he had stolen 75% (3/4) from the BTN so I thought it was time to resteal. When he called OTT I seriously thought I had run into a slowplayed set...

No need to think you run into something, cross the bridge as you get there, he'll let you know when to run! play your own game, be the agressor, THEY'll play back almost only with monsters so you'll know when to fold.. you'll never find out chk/calling!

Terrible evening session. I lost two big hands against the same fish within 5 minutes. First he b/c w/ A6 and called my DB w/ bottom pair and rivered his A then he called my 4bet w/ QQ and flopped a set.



Other than that my light 3bets work well but I still do it too infrequently. I think I often just fold saying villain is too tight/loose to 3bet again and I don't think about it deeply enough. I mean my default play is folding instead of raising which may be bad.

Another terrible session.



BB in the following hand had just sit in but I didn't realize it and there had been a terrible maniac in that seat before. So I was very happy when I pushed all-in.



In the next hand BTN had been playing 19/16 (over 64 hands), 71% steal from the BTN, 0/3 fold to 3bet. SB was a huge fish. Shove or fold as played?

A frustrating but at least winning session today.



MP was practically unknown. Do we fold, call or 3bet?



SB was a huge fish, BB was unknown but a bit fishy. What's our turn play?

78s hand vs. unknown i'd fold.
3bet if villain has a wide opening range and folds to 3bet a lot.
flat calling is very marginal, especially 6handed, you need to know that the blinds are rarely squeezing and you need to know how villains plays postflop to make flatting profitable (we can't play fit or fold with sc). i'd also prefer to be deeper to have room to play postflop and more IO.

AA hands i'd cbet more, 1.30$. good flop to take value from 88-JJ, 9x and we set up the pot for an easy turn shove. we're only afraid of 7x and 99.
turn just pot bet and put both of them all in. we can't fold given stack sizes

I ended up folding. I wasn't afraid of the blinds. I think against a known opponent it is more often a call than a 3bet but against an unknown I could have 3bet. If he reraises I can easily fold. If he calls I have a hand which has some postflop value.

Yeah, cbetting that small was a big mistake! As played I checked back turn as both opponents were short and a 9x won't fold to a river bet. On a blank river the BB shoved. I didn't think he did it w/o a 7 so I folded. Too weak?

Some very solid advice, thank you!

on the 3betting thing you don't really want a call with 67s, we want villain to fold or 4bet. we're bluffing, 67s don't work well in 3bet pots.
if we know villain calls 3bets with a wide range (so his foldt3bet is low and 4bet low too) we should 3bet with a different type of hands that work well in 3bet pots (strong pairs, strong Aces, strong Kings) imo.


AA we want to bet not to get 9x to fold, but to get value from it.
i'm actually shoving the turn and try to get value from their worse PPs and maybe draws...stack sizes committ us to this pot and we need a sick read to fold an overpair here.
if they have a 7, then let it be

gl with your challenge

This is a mandatory 3 bet in my opinion. If you are not 3 betting AQ for value then what exactly are you 3 betting? If you are only 3 betting premiums then you are far too easy to play against and are missing easy value raises. If you are 3 betting something like a 4-8% range from sb but not 3 betting AQ then your range must be almost entirely bluffs, which is bad.

OK, thx for the answer! My value 3bet range from SB is (JJ), QQ+, AK and sometimes AQo against a laggy player, that's why I asked this question. I'm flatting here w/ AQs almost always as it has more postflop value. Is it fine given I don't want to stack off with it if I get reraised?

Played a very short session this afternoon. BTW looking forward to a "Leffe session" tonight!



On one of the tables sat a very aggro LAG. He wasn't completely unknown (had marked him a solid LAG) but he seemed to be tilting as he played every second hand and he almost always raised and since 3bet me a lot.

In the first hand the MP was the aggro player and SB was an unknown laggy/fishy player. Is flatting preflop fine? As played how do you play OTF?



Some hands before this second hand this aggro guy had flatted preflop IP and had raised my cbet on a 89Tss flop and I had mucked (my QK). Do we flat or reraise OTF?

I call there, because he's going to be bluffing so often so in order to get him to continue with his bluff, you've got to give him the oppurtunity. If you re-raise there you're getting called by better and only folding out his air/worse hands unless he's a spewtard and just wants to get it in with any piece of the board.

In the first hand, i hate your flat mainly because you need a board to continue, you're OOP and like you say the villain is a LAG. I definitely 4bet/get it in pre there. The flop is tough, MP bet size is really weird and you have the SB who c/c, i think MP range is hard to assess, i think he can have the Kd here so often, either with AK/KK/KQ, he can also have Ax with a diamond, QQ (although i think he bets much bigger with this). AA is unlikely because you have blockers and there's an A on the flop. I think raising or folding is much better than calling here. Imo i raise and get it in.

Btw how much do you think playing poker in a pub affects you? I know for certain that my resuls would sick if i was surrounded by drink and friends. Have you tried just playing from home? Where you're not distracted and can give poker 110% of your attention?

first hand i prefer 4betting pre. we're oop and there's dead money in the pot.

second hand: both flatting/3betting are good imo. if you think he can dub the turn i lean more towards flatting: you can let him bluff and/or get value from worse hands. we're not really afraid of fd, we also have the A.
if you think a call would shut him down, i prefer putting a small 3bet to induce a shove (he might think you're playing back) or to squeeze some more value from a worse Ace.

@YouFaiil & baohoa: Thx for your feedback!

The first hand: You're completely right saying I should have 4bet. I just called OTF and we checked down as the board got drawier and drawier. MP (the aggro guy) had JTs and SB (the fishy) had KQ and I won the pot w/ a better 2pair.

The second hand: I 3bet and he insta folded. Here I'm still not sure if calling is better being OOP. Villain might have been tilting but I don't think he calls w/ much worse here. Dunno...

I normaly don't play in a pub (only at most once a week) but from home. Obviously sitting in the pub affects my game a lot and I wouldn't suggest to anybody doing so. On the other hand it's great fun.

So yesterday evening we had another "Leffe session". Below the graph and some stats. That's crushing and that's what I can't do from home but I'm aiming for.

Today I haven't felt like playing so I have only put in a few hands.



Let's check two TT hands. In the first one villain was a positional unaware reggish player (over 81 hands) with a lower postflop aggression. Do we 3bet preflop? As played do we flat call or fold (or raise) OTF?



In the second hand UTG was a huge passive fish and CO was an aggrofish. Again, do we 3bet preflop? As played how do we continue OTF?