Overall progress since the start of this challenge (last two weeks):

• Volume: 7.500 hands
• VP$IP/PFR: 22/18
• WR: 5.7 bb/100
• non SD WR: -12.0 bb/100

Promising start of the third week of my challenge.



The following hand was the second one at a new table. Villain was colour coded as a fishy player but my HUD wasn't displayed yet. Standard, isn't it?

That HH isn't standard at all, the only time to play TPTK like that is if the villain is a complete spewtard and will basically chip dump to you in any pot.

Against a fish, the flop is probably a fold considering it's A) a min raise and B) you'll be OOP for the rest of the hand probably facing more aggression. The river now completes trips if the fish decided to min raise 2nd pair/complete's all fd's, 45 gets there OTT.

I fold flop in that hand.

Thx! Folding OTF used to be my standard play but I have seen a lot of fish min raising w/ TP any kicker. OTT I thought he overbet in order to make me fold and to protect his hand. If my thought process was right the river doesn't change too much (although it paired the board and the third heart appeared).

Looking back it seems a bit spewy but I don't mind it too much as this challenge is about making non-standard lines too.

Lost three times w/ KK (vs slowplayed AA, vs QQ PFAI and vs a shortstack in 3bet pot) which resulted in this:



First hand at this table. I didn't play any hand w/ this villain before but one or two hands earlier (when I was waiting for being dealt) he stacked off preflop w/ T8s vs a shortstack. Does anybody call OTF as played (I know the preflop call was a bit loose even against him)?

Short afternoon session. Green line up, red line down... as usual.



In this hand villain was a postflop bit passive nit. What about bluff c/shove the river? He never ever has a flush there but my TP is always beaten.

This time a nice red line but an overall losing session.



I do hate flopped two pairs. Villain was terribad (86/0 and/but passive OTF/OTT over a small sample). When he 3bet me OTF I was 99% certain I was behind (consider that he only 3bet but didnt' shove!) but I couldn't fold.

in the AT hand where you check, i would b/c, other than that hero snap calls for sure.

KQ hand is a fold, b/f flop turn is fine to c/f river imo

KJ hand is tough but i just call flop depending on how often CO donks, i don't expect to see sets here but definitely 9T/AT/fd's/KQ/QJ/fd's+gutshots/pairs+gutshots although when you raise and he 3bets back i think you can discount a wide part of villains fd/draws/pair + draw range because if there passive they'll most likely call, obv if there a good player who understands equity/ranges then draws/draws + pairs etc are still there. Completely depends on how aggressive the CO is on whether i flat his donk or raise. I'm not mentioning folding because A) raise/fold is dumb here and CO has 66bb's, because of CO's stack size this is perfectly played imo.

Why would you donk and make villain scared? I did snap call really and he showed a medium (<TT) PP.

Yes, this is pretty standard but I should start to think about non standard lines against better opponents (who may find a fold).

I don't really like flatting as the BB was still in the hand and the flop was very drawy and I didn't want to give them a cheap turn card. CO was passive OTF so when he 3bets I'm toast. There are just a very few combos I'm ahead of and I shoved only because of his stack size (and of being such a big fish).

Thx for the responses!

Just an awful session again...

We've managed it again! Yesterday evening we played another "Leffe" session which was quite short but rather successful:





One thing for sure: table selection is crutial...

oh i'm so clever sometimes , 130 hands is a session?

Looking good so far furkae, keep at it!

Actually yes. We only play one table at once during these "Leffe" sessions so it lasted about 70-80 minutes.

Thx! After reaching 10k hands in this challenge around the end of this week I'll start to make major changes to my game.

what is a "leffe" session btw?

Graph of 10k hands as well please when you're done.

Don't you ever get worried about variance when you're playing such a small amount of hands?

You should have read my OP carefully I sit in a pub called "Leffe" with my friends drinking beer and playing one table in a very laggy style.

Of course. I will also post my main statistics.

My sessions are really short but I normally play 2-4 a day. I have played about 75k hands after switching to Stars November last year. Volume is very low I know but I prefer quality to quantity.

Played a short afternoon session.



In the following hand MP was a fishy 24/11 (over 124 hands) who wasn't too aggro but didn't like to fold. CO was an unknown fishy 17/4. Do you squeeze preflop? What about the turn as played?

I don't like flatting in that spot but the MP seems to be a tag-fish who has a pretty tight raising range but probably calls/limps too much and like you say is passive which means that squeezing here for value is fine because the CO is going to call a lot of raises PFR which means he'll also fold (sometimes call) a lot. Other reasons for squeezing, you take the initiative, you're OOP, if villains fold pre.

i would much rather squeeze and b/f/b-shove any bad boards than have to c/c, c/c, c/f or take a line like that (avoiding spots like the above).

The main concern is that MP will have a very tight UTG/MP range but that depends on how positionally aware they are (they might have a nitty pfr range from all positions).

But yeah i like flatting if you're IP and squeezing OOP.

Just my thoughts, i think this is one area that i need to work on as well so take it lightly.

I read the OP again and i couldn't find the definition of leffe but sitting in a pub drinking is always good in my books!

glgl!

I agree w/ you, thanks! I was a bit worried about getting reraised by the MP and having to fold but it's just stupid.

Well...

I agree with your concerns on squeeze/folding but if you squeezed to say 12/13bb, you'd be risking 1.20/1.30 to win 0.83, they have to fold 66% of the time and this doesn't account for when villain/they call and you win the pot after seeing a flop.

I'm so bad at reading, i skim everything and even then i miss the main points!

But yeah with the JJ spot, OOP = squeeze and IP i'd rather call to set mine/play IP (again just my 0.02).

Yes, squeezing here OOP seems def. better.

Thx YouFaiil for following and actively contributing. I hope this thread will be way more interesting when I start make bigger adjustments to my game...

If I hadn't mentioned it yet: I hate flopped two pairs. These were in the last 7 days:



And that was my second session today:

My usual afternoon session.



Villain in the next hand was a solid but (a bit) passive 21/14 player. Is overshoving the river fine? I was quite sure he had a strong A.

I got into a habit of overshoving/betting way too big when i had the nuts and was certain villain was strong but it's a bad habit and will eventually become a leak.

The pot is 5.51 by the river which is 55bb, it's better to bet ~30bb and get called than overshove and get a fold because that extra 25/30bb's is a huge amount and over time will affect your WR by so much.

The only time i would worry about overshoving for value is when it's so obvious that the villain has second nuts when you have the nuts and you'll get called so often, in the HH above, it shove just be a standard bet OTR. Obv i could also mention that you want to overshove for value as well as a bluff so that you're not unbalanced in your betting frequencys but i think even then it's such a small thing and doesn't even come into consideration at the micros.

Cliffs: V. Bet, get called is 10345902394394203 times better than overshove and get a fold.

Only a tiny session as I'm very tired.



Thx for this YouFaiil. I do it very rarely so I actually thought it's a leak not to do it often enough. Esp. at NL10 where people can't fold. I never overshove as a bluff (which might be a (possibly very small) leak too).

I think I'll start to do it for value a bit more often (as an experiment) to find out in which cases it's more profitable than a normal sized bet. The worst thing that can happen is that my red line gets better

Two short sessions resulted in this:



I'm (re)reading 3-bet strategy posts right now so that I can carry out some viable improvements in my 3-bet play.