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06-05-2011 , 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedin'
I don't call 4bets. Only sometimes with AA/KK, mostly against bad aggressive/ spewy players. And a lot of players spew in 4b pots so its very profitable.
Well, I'm far from being a bad aggro/spewy player and villain must have known it (I'm actually bad but not aggro/spewy).

Anyway, thx for the active contribution!
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06-05-2011 , 03:44 PM
Running terrible today again.



Flop c-bet%: 89.7% (LOL). There were some really bad spots where I did c-bet but what about these ones?

In the first hand villan was a 41/21 (over only 35 hands), raise c-bet 2/5. I don't want to call being OOP but what about raising?

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    SB: $3.75 (37.5 bb)
    BB: $10 (100 bb)
    UTG: $4.96 (49.6 bb)
    Hero (MP): $14.68 (146.8 bb)
    CO: $4 (40 bb)
    BTN: $23.52 (235.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with J A
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.40, CO folds, BTN calls $0.40, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.95) 4 2 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.54, BTN raises to $1.35, Hero ???


    In the second hand villain was an aggro 35/24 (over 92 hands), raise c-bet 3/8. I normally just fold here but I'm not sure there isn't a better line.

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      BB: $9.94 (99.4 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $14.10 (141 bb)
      SB: $14.85 (148.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A J
      Hero raises to $0.25, SB calls $0.20, BB calls $0.15

      Flop: ($0.75) 6 7 6 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.54, SB raises to $1.40, 1 fold, Hero ???
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      06-05-2011 , 04:12 PM
      first hand looks like a good spot to x/raise otf.
      i don't like cbetting this flop since villain likes to raise a lot and we have to either repop and expect to be flipping at best when called or fold.
      + he can be peeling a lot (which is not that bad given we can barrell any broadway,3, or spade ott)
      x/calling is out of question. x/folding is weak
      x/raising looks better imo as he might stab IP when checked to so i expect to have good FE + we can safely fold if villain 3bets + we can improve/bet tons of turns when called.

      2nd hand is a x/fold imo.
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      06-05-2011 , 04:24 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by baohoa
      first hand looks like a good spot to x/raise otf.
      i don't like cbetting this flop since villain likes to raise a lot and we have to either repop and expect to be flipping at best when called or fold.
      + he can be peeling a lot (which is not that bad given we can barrell any broadway,3, or spade ott)
      x/calling is out of question. x/folding is weak
      x/raising looks better imo as he might stab IP when checked to so i expect to have good FE + we can safely fold if villain 3bets + we can improve/bet tons of turns when called.
      I have learnt something again. I have (almost) never thought of x/r'ing as being the preflop raiser but your reasoning seems to be solid.
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      06-05-2011 , 04:48 PM
      2nd hand
      c/f. Don't cbet on that kind of board especially when it's multiway. Don't even try doing something else.
      1st hand
      c/f vs good regs, and ofc passive players. c/r against bad aggro players ( there is a ton of them at nl10, almost all, they don't understand when to be aggressive and this isn't one of the spots so punish them)

      EDIT: sry didn't saw baohoa post and I wrote same thing
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      06-06-2011 , 12:58 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Speedin'
      EDIT: sry didn't saw baohoa post and I wrote same thing
      Actually that's good. Thx both of you!
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      06-06-2011 , 03:45 PM
      I played two sessions today. Guess when did I sit out for a break?



      In the first hand BTN was a nitty (17/13 over 187 hands) reg, 22% steal from the BTN. The SB was a fishy (34/14 over 94 hands, 3/5 F2CB, he hadn't faced a 3bet earlier) player. My line seems spewy. Was it?

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        BTN: $10.16 (101.6 bb)
        SB: $10.94 (109.4 bb)
        Hero (BB): $10.15 (101.5 bb)
        MP: $6.04 (60.4 bb)
        CO: $10.71 (107.1 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 A
        2 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.40, BTN folds, SB calls $1.10

        Flop: ($3.10) 7 7 2 (2 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $1.77, SB calls $1.77

        Turn: ($6.64) J (2 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $3.79, SB raises to $7.58, Hero folds

        Results: $14.22 pot ($0.69 rake)
        Final Board: 7 7 2 J
        SB mucked and won $13.53 ($6.57 net)
        Hero mucked 9 A and lost (-$6.96 net)


        In the second hand villain was a 44/15 fish, F2CB 2/6. How's my line?

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          CO: $4.18 (41.8 bb)
          Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
          SB: $13.29 (132.9 bb)
          BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
          UTG: $6 (60 bb)
          MP: $3.55 (35.5 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 8
          2 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, SB folds, BB calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30

          Flop: ($1.25) Q 8 Q (3 players)
          BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.89, BB folds, CO calls $0.89

          Turn: ($3.03) 4 (2 players)
          CO bets $0.40, Hero raises to $3.16, CO calls $2.49 and is all-in

          River: ($8.81) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
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          06-07-2011 , 04:07 PM
          I feel like crying... or at least whining...



          C-bet: 80.6% with a success rate of 55.2% which is fine I think.

          Some hands which makes me so upset. In the first one villain was playing 27/20 (over 51 hands) and he was postflop mostly passive. I should have reraised OTF but the turn and a river is a fold, isn't it?

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            MP: $10 (100 bb)
            Hero (CO): $10.11 (101.1 bb)
            BTN: $5.41 (54.1 bb)
            SB: $19.91 (199.1 bb)
            BB: $13.47 (134.7 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 8
            MP folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

            Flop: ($0.65) J 9 8 (2 players)
            BB checks, Hero bets $0.55, BB raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.55

            Turn: ($2.85) 3 (2 players)
            BB bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40

            River: ($5.65) 5 (2 players)
            BB bets $2.80, Hero calls $2.80



            In the sedond hand villain was a 57/43 (over only 14 hands). Before this hand he x/r'ed 1/2.

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              Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
              SB: $11.83 (118.3 bb)
              BB: $3.61 (36.1 bb)
              CO: $5.13 (51.3 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with A K
              CO raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.30, 2 folds, CO calls $0.80

              Flop: ($2.75) Q 7 Q (2 players)
              CO checks, Hero bets $1.57, CO raises to $3.83 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.26

              Turn: ($10.41) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
              River: ($10.41) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)


              In the third hand villain was another huge fish: 69/2 (over 45 hands), passive OTF, normal OTT and a bit more aggro OTR. The problem is he might easily have had a 6 in his range but I was going to call on any non A river...

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                SB: $12.27 (122.7 bb)
                BB: $9.23 (92.3 bb)
                UTG: $11.48 (114.8 bb)
                Hero (MP): $11.09 (110.9 bb)
                CO: $11.16 (111.6 bb)
                BTN: $9.85 (98.5 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is MP with Q Q
                UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.30

                Flop: ($0.95) 6 6 T (2 players)
                UTG checks, Hero bets $0.68, UTG raises to $1.36, Hero calls $0.68

                Turn: ($3.67) 3 (2 players)
                UTG bets $1.97, Hero calls $1.97

                River: ($7.61) A (2 players)
                UTG bets $5.60, Hero folds
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                06-07-2011 , 05:47 PM
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by furkae
                I feel like crying... or at least whining...



                C-bet: 80.6% with a success rate of 55.2% which is fine I think.

                Some hands which makes me so upset. In the first one villain was playing 27/20 (over 51 hands) and he was postflop mostly passive. I should have reraised OTF but the turn and a river is a fold, isn't it?

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                  MP: $10 (100 bb)
                  Hero (CO): $10.11 (101.1 bb)
                  BTN: $5.41 (54.1 bb)
                  SB: $19.91 (199.1 bb)
                  BB: $13.47 (134.7 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 8
                  MP folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

                  Flop: ($0.65) J 9 8 (2 players)
                  BB checks, Hero bets $0.55, BB raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.55

                  Turn: ($2.85) 3 (2 players)
                  BB bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40

                  River: ($5.65) 5 (2 players)
                  BB bets $2.80, Hero calls $2.80



                  In the sedond hand villain was a 57/43 (over only 14 hands). Before this hand he x/r'ed 1/2.

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                    Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
                    SB: $11.83 (118.3 bb)
                    BB: $3.61 (36.1 bb)
                    CO: $5.13 (51.3 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A K
                    CO raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.30, 2 folds, CO calls $0.80

                    Flop: ($2.75) Q 7 Q (2 players)
                    CO checks, Hero bets $1.57, CO raises to $3.83 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.26

                    Turn: ($10.41) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                    River: ($10.41) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)


                    In the third hand villain was another huge fish: 69/2 (over 45 hands), passive OTF, normal OTT and a bit more aggro OTR. The problem is he might easily have had a 6 in his range but I was going to call on any non A river...

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                      SB: $12.27 (122.7 bb)
                      BB: $9.23 (92.3 bb)
                      UTG: $11.48 (114.8 bb)
                      Hero (MP): $11.09 (110.9 bb)
                      CO: $11.16 (111.6 bb)
                      BTN: $9.85 (98.5 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is MP with Q Q
                      UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.30

                      Flop: ($0.95) 6 6 T (2 players)
                      UTG checks, Hero bets $0.68, UTG raises to $1.36, Hero calls $0.68

                      Turn: ($3.67) 3 (2 players)
                      UTG bets $1.97, Hero calls $1.97

                      River: ($7.61) A (2 players)
                      UTG bets $5.60, Hero folds

                      88: 3bet flop, but you know it.
                      AK hand: looks ok. i would probably 3bet larger and shove flop myself
                      QQ hand: it's not terrible but folding turn is better imo (folding flop wouldn't be horrible too vs. a super passive villain). A otr doesn't change villain's range, unless he can play a NFD like this which i doubt. i also wouldn't look at his AF with that small sample.
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                      06-08-2011 , 04:04 PM
                      Another losing day again but I finally realized the only problem is I'm always running into the very top of my opponents range. Just one example:

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                        SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
                        BB: $4.17 (41.7 bb)
                        UTG: $8.62 (86.2 bb)
                        MP: $5.15 (51.5 bb)
                        CO: $10.44 (104.4 bb)
                        Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

                        Preflop: Hero is BTN with T T
                        UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.20, 3 folds, MP calls $0.90

                        Flop: ($2.85) 6 9 K (2 players)
                        MP checks, Hero bets $1.62, MP calls $1.62

                        Turn: ($6.09) 4 (2 players)
                        MP checks, Hero bets $3.48, MP calls $2.33 and is all-in

                        River: ($10.75) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                        Results: $10.75 pot ($0.52 rake)
                        Final Board: 6 9 K 4 2
                        MP showed Q Q and won $10.23 ($5.08 net)
                        Hero showed T T and lost (-$5.15 net)


                        UTG was basically unkown but he seemed too loose. MP was the big fish (60/7 over only 16 hands). He was postflop passive and couldn't fold. I squeezed for value and in order to isolate the fish.

                        OK, so that's the graph for today. I c-bet 75% which seems reasonable.



                        In this hand villain was more or less unkown (I have 16 hands on him) but he seemed solid. I hate the flop and even more the turn (althogh I turned an OESD).

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                          CO: $11.96 (119.6 bb)
                          Hero (BTN): $10.61 (106.1 bb)
                          SB: $14.71 (147.1 bb)
                          BB: $15.64 (156.4 bb)
                          MP: $10.33 (103.3 bb)

                          Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
                          MP raises to $0.40, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.10, 2 folds, MP calls $0.70

                          Flop: ($2.35) 8 Q T (2 players)
                          MP checks, Hero bets $1.34, MP calls $1.34

                          Turn: ($5.03) J (2 players)
                          MP checks, Hero checks

                          River: ($5.03) 2 (2 players)
                          MP bets $3.25, Hero folds

                          Results: $5.03 pot ($0.24 rake)
                          Final Board: 8 Q T J 2
                          Hero mucked K K and lost (-$2.44 net)
                          MP mucked and won $4.79 ($2.35 net)


                          In the following hand MP was a huge aggrodonk fish but SB was completely unknown. Easy fold OTF?

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                            Hero (CO): $10.45 (104.5 bb)
                            BTN: $5.90 (59 bb)
                            SB: $12 (120 bb)
                            BB: $5.24 (52.4 bb)
                            UTG: $11.18 (111.8 bb)
                            MP: $2.84 (28.4 bb)

                            Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
                            UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1, BTN folds, SB calls $0.95, BB folds, MP calls $0.70

                            Flop: ($3.10) J A 8 (3 players)
                            SB checks, MP bets $1.84 and is all-in, Hero ???
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                            06-08-2011 , 04:08 PM
                            Quote:
                            Originally Posted by baohoa
                            QQ hand: it's not terrible but folding turn is better imo (folding flop wouldn't be horrible too vs. a super passive villain). A otr doesn't change villain's range, unless he can play a NFD like this which i doubt. i also wouldn't look at his AF with that small sample.
                            I don't know. He could have easily had AT or something similar Tx type hand. And why should I have folded on that blank turn if I called OTF?
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                            06-08-2011 , 04:37 PM
                            Quote:
                            Originally Posted by furkae
                            I don't know. He could have easily had AT or something similar Tx type hand. And why should I have folded on that blank turn if I called OTF?
                            if he's so passive i'm not sure he raises our cbet otf and barrells again ott with a weak hand. i see people going crazy on a paired board with small PPs but they often give up ott unless they're aggro. also if we call ott we're given 1:2 to call a shove otr. and we're calling a lot of rivers here.
                            might be wrong though
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                            06-08-2011 , 04:45 PM
                            Quote:
                            Originally Posted by furkae
                            Another losing day again but I finally realized the only problem is I'm always running into the very top of my opponents range. Just one example:

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                              SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
                              BB: $4.17 (41.7 bb)
                              UTG: $8.62 (86.2 bb)
                              MP: $5.15 (51.5 bb)
                              CO: $10.44 (104.4 bb)
                              Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

                              Preflop: Hero is BTN with T T
                              UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.20, 3 folds, MP calls $0.90

                              Flop: ($2.85) 6 9 K (2 players)
                              MP checks, Hero bets $1.62, MP calls $1.62

                              Turn: ($6.09) 4 (2 players)
                              MP checks, Hero bets $3.48, MP calls $2.33 and is all-in

                              River: ($10.75) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                              Results: $10.75 pot ($0.52 rake)
                              Final Board: 6 9 K 4 2
                              MP showed Q Q and won $10.23 ($5.08 net)
                              Hero showed T T and lost (-$5.15 net)


                              UTG was basically unkown but he seemed too loose. MP was the big fish (60/7 over only 16 hands). He was postflop passive and couldn't fold. I squeezed for value and in order to isolate the fish.

                              OK, so that's the graph for today. I c-bet 75% which seems reasonable.



                              In this hand villain was more or less unkown (I have 16 hands on him) but he seemed solid. I hate the flop and even more the turn (althogh I turned an OESD).

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                                CO: $11.96 (119.6 bb)
                                Hero (BTN): $10.61 (106.1 bb)
                                SB: $14.71 (147.1 bb)
                                BB: $15.64 (156.4 bb)
                                MP: $10.33 (103.3 bb)

                                Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
                                MP raises to $0.40, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.10, 2 folds, MP calls $0.70

                                Flop: ($2.35) 8 Q T (2 players)
                                MP checks, Hero bets $1.34, MP calls $1.34

                                Turn: ($5.03) J (2 players)
                                MP checks, Hero checks

                                River: ($5.03) 2 (2 players)
                                MP bets $3.25, Hero folds

                                Results: $5.03 pot ($0.24 rake)
                                Final Board: 8 Q T J 2
                                Hero mucked K K and lost (-$2.44 net)
                                MP mucked and won $4.79 ($2.35 net)


                                In the following hand MP was a huge aggrodonk fish but SB was completely unknown. Easy fold OTF?

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                                  Hero (CO): $10.45 (104.5 bb)
                                  BTN: $5.90 (59 bb)
                                  SB: $12 (120 bb)
                                  BB: $5.24 (52.4 bb)
                                  UTG: $11.18 (111.8 bb)
                                  MP: $2.84 (28.4 bb)

                                  Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
                                  UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1, BTN folds, SB calls $0.95, BB folds, MP calls $0.70

                                  Flop: ($3.10) J A 8 (3 players)
                                  SB checks, MP bets $1.84 and is all-in, Hero ???


                                  TT hand: could debate about cbetting this flop or not. it's superthin value here. what can he call here with? anyway SPR is so low that it can't be a huge mistake.

                                  KK hand: probably a little larger pre and otf. otherwise wp

                                  QQ hand: our position sucks so bad. yeah fold. if we call and SB folds we're going to be behind a good amount of the times anyway vs. MP. if we call and SB calls or raises we're done...
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                                  06-08-2011 , 04:46 PM
                                  Quote:
                                  Originally Posted by baohoa
                                  if he's so passive i'm not sure he raises our cbet otf and barrells again ott with a weak hand. i see people going crazy on a paired board with small PPs but they often give up ott unless they're aggro. also if we call ott we're given 1:2 to call a shove otr. and we're calling a lot of rivers here.
                                  might be wrong though
                                  Yes, I was about to call on most river. I thought this A OTR hit his range hard.
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                                  06-08-2011 , 04:52 PM
                                  Quote:
                                  Originally Posted by baohoa
                                  TT hand: could debate about cbetting this flop or not. it's superthin value here. what can he call here with? anyway SPR is so low that it can't be a huge mistake.
                                  I expected him to call w/ any pair and any strong A.

                                  Quote:
                                  Originally Posted by baohoa
                                  QQ hand: our position sucks so bad. yeah fold. if we call and SB folds we're going to be behind a good amount of the times anyway vs. MP. if we call and SB calls or raises we're done...
                                  I was obviously afraid of the SB so I ended up folding. The SB called and it turned out I would have been ahead OTF .

                                  Thx again for the responses!
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                                  06-08-2011 , 05:51 PM
                                  Quote:
                                  Originally Posted by furkae
                                  I expected him to call w/ any pair and any strong A.
                                  I was obviously afraid of the SB so I ended up folding. The SB called and it turned out I would have been ahead OTF .

                                  Thx again for the responses!
                                  sounds good. i would prefer betting QQ there though. (you get value from 9x, TT-JJ and maybe AQ, AJ if he's so bad). TT just loses to too many hands here and it's more a bluff than not (our value is less clear). that said stack sizes changes the hand. if he's passive checking is not that bad. Full stacked this would be a check behind like 99% of the times imho. we're going to SD with a SDV hand a lot
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                                  06-09-2011 , 03:31 PM
                                  Finally a short but solid session. Flop c-bet: 87.5%.



                                  Is not c-betting OTF a mistake? Can we call OTR as played? Both players were basically unknown but the SB seemed fishy and the BTN seemed nitty.

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                                    Hero (CO): $11.50 (115 bb)
                                    BTN: $12.55 (125.5 bb)
                                    SB: $5.44 (54.4 bb)
                                    BB: $10 (100 bb)
                                    UTG: $4.78 (47.8 bb)
                                    MP: $8.40 (84 bb)

                                    Preflop: Hero is CO with 2 2
                                    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

                                    Flop: ($1) 4 6 3 (3 players)
                                    SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

                                    Turn: ($1) J (3 players)
                                    SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

                                    River: ($1) 5 (3 players)
                                    SB bets $0.90, Hero ???

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                                    06-10-2011 , 07:33 AM
                                    Quote:
                                    Originally Posted by furkae
                                    Finally a short but solid session. Flop c-bet: 87.5%.



                                    Is not c-betting OTF a mistake? Can we call OTR as played? Both players were basically unknown but the SB seemed fishy and the BTN seemed nitty.

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                                      Hero (CO): $11.50 (115 bb)
                                      BTN: $12.55 (125.5 bb)
                                      SB: $5.44 (54.4 bb)
                                      BB: $10 (100 bb)
                                      UTG: $4.78 (47.8 bb)
                                      MP: $8.40 (84 bb)

                                      Preflop: Hero is CO with 2 2
                                      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

                                      Flop: ($1) 4 6 3 (3 players)
                                      SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

                                      Turn: ($1) J (3 players)
                                      SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

                                      River: ($1) 5 (3 players)
                                      SB bets $0.90, Hero ???

                                      played it fine if you called the river. villain can bet 2 pairs,slowplayed sets, Jx and a better straight.we're given good odds to call vs. this range. we should fold to a raise from the other player though.
                                      could delay cbet ott some times, depending on villains
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                                      06-10-2011 , 07:50 AM
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                                      Originally Posted by baohoa
                                      played it fine if you called the river. villain can bet 2 pairs,slowplayed sets, Jx and a better straight.we're given good odds to call vs. this range. we should fold to a raise from the other player though.
                                      could delay cbet ott some times, depending on villains
                                      No, I didn't call as I didn't think he bet that big w/ anything but a str8. And there are obv. less 2's in his range than 7's.

                                      A delayed c-bet OTT seems logical esp. as I picked up some equity!
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                                      06-10-2011 , 04:42 PM
                                      Today wasn't that great but at least I won. Flop c-bet: 82.8%.



                                      In the first hand villain was a LAG (30/30 over 74 hands, 16% 3bet (all from the blinds)). He was also very aggro postflop (50% AFq). Normally (against most players) I just fold this hand but I must be ahead of his range and I have position. On the other hand we were only 55BB deep and I didn't want to 4bet/fold (obviously). So I called. What's next OTF? I'd be burning money if I folded every flop which doesn't hit my hand...

                                        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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                                        SB: $9.65 (96.5 bb)
                                        BB: $6.47 (64.7 bb)
                                        UTG: $10 (100 bb)
                                        MP: $19.60 (196 bb)
                                        CO: $10 (100 bb)
                                        Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

                                        Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q
                                        3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB folds, BB raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.60

                                        Flop: ($1.85) 9 5 4 (2 players)
                                        BB bets $1.10, Hero ???


                                        In the second hand both players in the blinds were huge fish. The SB was playing 50/0 and was a bit passive postflop too while the BB was a 64/7 but he was more aggro postflop. What are we doing OTR?

                                          Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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                                          SB: $8.98 (89.8 bb)
                                          BB: $3.84 (38.4 bb)
                                          Hero (UTG): $10.51 (105.1 bb)
                                          MP: $10 (100 bb)
                                          CO: $10.46 (104.6 bb)
                                          BTN: $10 (100 bb)

                                          Preflop: Hero is UTG with K A
                                          Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, SB calls $0.35, BB calls $0.30

                                          Flop: ($1.20) 7 9 7 (3 players)
                                          SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

                                          Turn: ($1.20) 7 (3 players)
                                          SB bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

                                          River: ($1.95) A (3 players)
                                          SB bets $1.05, BB raises to $2.30, Hero ???
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                                          06-11-2011 , 12:05 AM
                                          Hi,

                                          Im new to this progress thread and so I may have missed some posts in the recent past.

                                          Good luck with your challenge! Any chance you could post:

                                          1) An overall graph including your red line

                                          2) over all graph filtering the SB and BB plays out - Im sure you have read but if your red line is negative on here (over a large sample... I say 10k hands or more) then you have a leak. If not, then your alright.

                                          Thanks and GL
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                                          06-11-2011 , 05:19 AM
                                          Overall graph since I started play on PS:



                                          The same graph w/o the blinds:



                                          The second one looks pretty but it doesn't really mean anything. I should play even better so that my non blind winnings could compensate my losses on the blinds.

                                          Thx for following!
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                                          06-11-2011 , 06:29 AM
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                                          Originally Posted by furkae
                                          Today wasn't that great but at least I won. Flop c-bet: 82.8%.



                                          In the first hand villain was a LAG (30/30 over 74 hands, 16% 3bet (all from the blinds)). He was also very aggro postflop (50% AFq). Normally (against most players) I just fold this hand but I must be ahead of his range and I have position. On the other hand we were only 55BB deep and I didn't want to 4bet/fold (obviously). So I called. What's next OTF? I'd be burning money if I folded every flop which doesn't hit my hand...

                                            Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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                                            SB: $9.65 (96.5 bb)
                                            BB: $6.47 (64.7 bb)
                                            UTG: $10 (100 bb)
                                            MP: $19.60 (196 bb)
                                            CO: $10 (100 bb)
                                            Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

                                            Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q
                                            3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB folds, BB raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.60

                                            Flop: ($1.85) 9 5 4 (2 players)
                                            BB bets $1.10, Hero ???


                                            In the second hand both players in the blinds were huge fish. The SB was playing 50/0 and was a bit passive postflop too while the BB was a 64/7 but he was more aggro postflop. What are we doing OTR?

                                              Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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                                              SB: $8.98 (89.8 bb)
                                              BB: $3.84 (38.4 bb)
                                              Hero (UTG): $10.51 (105.1 bb)
                                              MP: $10 (100 bb)
                                              CO: $10.46 (104.6 bb)
                                              BTN: $10 (100 bb)

                                              Preflop: Hero is UTG with K A
                                              Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, SB calls $0.35, BB calls $0.30

                                              Flop: ($1.20) 7 9 7 (3 players)
                                              SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

                                              Turn: ($1.20) 7 (3 players)
                                              SB bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

                                              River: ($1.95) A (3 players)
                                              SB bets $1.05, BB raises to $2.30, Hero ???
                                              KQ hand intersting spot.villain cbet%? i like the call pre but being SPR so low our plan should be to reraise shove any flop where we have some equity. overs plus couple of redraws are good imo. especially if villain cbets too much. a little spewy maybe but we can't play just fit or fold when we call pre.

                                              AK hand i know it's cheap but i probably fold turn mw. there are some chances we're drawing dead already. also if we spike an A and passive pots river and aggro folds do we really feel good calling? as played with possible quads and obv FH passive is betting vs. two and aggro raises...i'm foding this especially because we don't close the action. we could split vs. one of them at tiimes but that's all. if they show worse..well sick!
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                                              06-11-2011 , 06:45 AM
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                                              Originally Posted by baohoa
                                              KQ hand intersting spot.villain cbet%? i like the call pre but being SPR so low our plan should be to reraise shove any flop where we have some equity. overs plus couple of redraws are good imo. especially if villain cbets too much. a little spewy maybe but we can't play just fit or fold when we call pre.
                                              That's the problem. c-bet%: 60%. Do you think it's a good spot to CRAI? I don't.

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                                              Originally Posted by baohoa
                                              AK hand i know it's cheap but i probably fold turn mw. there are some chances we're drawing dead already. also if we spike an A and passive pots river and aggro folds do we really feel good calling? as played with possible quads and obv FH passive is betting vs. two and aggro raises...i'm foding this especially because we don't close the action. we could split vs. one of them at tiimes but that's all. if they show worse..well sick!
                                              Well, that was my thought process too. I folded and the other guy called. Both showed a worse A so we would have splitted had I called...
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                                              06-11-2011 , 07:26 AM
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                                              Originally Posted by furkae
                                              That's the problem. c-bet%: 60%.
                                              Cbet in 3 bet pot? sample size is tiny anyway. but of 16 % range he has to fold everyting but TT + and maybe AQ+. we have blockers to some combos. (and i don't have stove with me..lol).
                                              i'd also check how many tables he's playing.
                                              on the othr side after 3 betting a lot from they blinds they usually slow down a little.
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