They both snap checked OTF so I decided to triple barrel if the fish (MP) folds OTF. He hadn't 3bet at all (the second hand was his first 3bet) and his other stats are useless (small sample size). You're completely right saying I should have checked back OTT as his flop call is pretty strong and the turn card is a brick. Thx.

I've been running pretty good today.



In the first hand villain was a huge aggrodonk fish (over a very small sample size). How do we react to his donk bet OTF?



In the second hand villain was playing 79/3 over 34 hands, 55% donk bet but other than that he was somehow passive postflop too. Can we call OTR?

ak hand we're of course never folding. if he's really aggro i think we shoul be flatting with probably the best hand and let him fire or give up on later streets. there's value in this because he might use an A or K as a scare card when we actually have it.


J9 hand what is villain foldvcbet? asking you thi because of the miniraise pre. if fish tends to fold a lot otf or ott i want to raise more pre.
that donkbet is not small at all...i'm not so sure i like the call. did he always use tha size? otr i'm prolly calling for info, to spot his donking range. i wouldn't expect to be ahead though because we're beating only a miissed flush draw but i don't think he would donkbet so large otf with it. probably a better a better J than ours or a weak K.

Well, this is when everything goes wrong. Nice red line, isn't it? It's getting more and more topical to make a leak finder video...



Biggest pot lost. Villain was unkown.



Biggest pot won. Villain was playing 58/5 (over 69 hands), was donking 43%. I raised OTF/OTT for value.

33 hand: i think we should either be folding the flop or raising larger. when called i'd probably give up ott. no good cards to barrell again once he didn't fold on a flop that hits our range a lot. plus he's unknown. he's almost lways calling ud down until sd.

KT hand: very well played. sizing looks good too. nh

about your redline i think a video would be very helpful. i'd also start analyzing the preflop game first: when talking about redline people often focus on postflop, but everything starts from pre, especially your blind play, positional awareness, stealing and 3betting/squeezing game affect nonSD winnings. by working on this i think many people can have a flat redline.

May I ask you to help me a bit? I'll post my WR each street (PF, flop, turn, river and at SD) and could you post yours? I'm interested in knowing where (which street) I'm losing the most?! Thx in advance!

sure! it's not that my redline is so good though (close to flat, slightly going up). if you want we can talk about it on skype one day too. never analyzed WR like that.

If you have winrate >5bb/100 then don't care about red line. The green line is the one you should care.

That's not so simple: some of my stats and my red line indicate I have leaks in my game. Actually I want to find and fix these leaks which in turn should result in flattening my red line too.

@baohoa: These are my stats (taking into account all of the hands I have played at PS at NL10):

• PF: -10 bb/100 // my WR when I didn't see the flop
• Flop: -91 bb/100 // my WR when I saw the flop but didn't see the turn
• Turn: -130 bb/100 // my WR when I saw the turn but didn't see the river
• River: -136 bb/100 // my WR when I saw the river but didn't go to SD
• SD: +1848 bb/100 // my WR when I went to SD

here we go


10NL FR on FT (20K hands overall)

PF: -3,66 bb/100 overall
Flop: +18,76 bb/100 overall
Turn: -64,03 bb/100 overall
SD: +245,90 bb/100 overall



over the last 10K hands

PF: -2,80 bb (increased 3betting + cold calling more IP and less from blinds + restealing less)
Flop: +33,02 bb (no changes)
Turn: -0,23 bb (increased turn cbet from 43% to 60%,probably too much)
SD: +165,50 bb (bluffed river way too much)

that's what a lot of players say at the micros. there's something true: working on valuebetting better (blue line) increase our WR much faster .
BUT it's not the goal of the challenge, and i do like this challenge because it takes a much bigger effort!

also @furkae: how is your redline when VPIP= true?

Thx baohoa! Well, the differences are quite significant... I thought my preflop game is solid but... And the difference between you WR and mine OTF... I think I'll first revise my flop game first, esp. my c-bet frequency.

It's +24 bb/100. Overall (incl. SD) it's 110 bb/100.

you have to consider that FR and 6 max are way different though. even if i think postflop it doesn't change so much, ranges at 6 max are wider, hand reading becomes more important... you also play more 3 bet pots, and there's probably more variance. reason why a 6 max player can adjust easily to FR while the opposite is not always true. on the other side there are probably a little more fishes at 6 max, not really sure about this though. have you ever read the poker blueprint? i'm always reading it every now and then.

lots of things affect the redline, but i'd probably start from preflop. if you find out that by calling (especially from blinds) you're losing too much you might consider folding or 3 betting more pre. also position is king. you should put yourself in confortable spots. i don,t know where i read it but when talking about preflop you want to have at least two of these things:

position
initiative
good cards

i always wish i can rember this while playing!!!


did you try to post your stats in the 6 max strategy forum? there should be a thread for that i guess.

Yes, there are a lot of differences and I'm quite sure having a BE red line is easier to have at FR but I'm also still sure I have a lot of leaks... Oh well...

Poker blueprint: what's this?

it's a short book written by Tri Nguyen (slowhabit in this forum). it's on 6 max small stakes, but most of the concepts now apply to micros too. it's incredibly simple but good imo. i like its structure, it goes from PF to river covering every position.

Yes, I did. There's an appropriate thread and there are two members who always reply (one is me)

This challenge is exactly about this. I have enough time and BR and whatever to try things out. I'm not pressured to move up and I really want to crush my limit before moving up...

I think I've read about it... Is it accessible online?

he sells it on his website. not sure i can mention it. the paperback version was pretty expensive, 100 bucks if i remember well but there should be a way much cheaper ebook version too. he's the author of Let there be range ( which costed more than 1k dollars...lol).
other than that there are some videos on Deucescracked on redline improving but still have to watch them.

i like your challenge. i think it's harder than just moving up in stakes because you're really going to try to improve your game. ever tried coaching or sweating?

Thx baohoa for the inspiration!

Some kind of coaching would be no doubt helpful but I can't manage it b/c of my job/family. I can't simply find an hour when I could play w/o being interrupted. That's also the cause why I haven't made a (leakfinder) video yet (although I'm seriously willing to make one).

I'm also not a member of DC which may be a big mistake. I'll check it out too.

DC have a free 7 day trial. I believe you would appreciate their "The thin red line" series. I think "The thin red grind" is some kind of follow-up, but haven't had time to watch it yet.

Seems interesting, thx for the handy tip!