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Old 08-24-2021, 10:39 PM   #351
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Re: Koss's Rec Grinding $1/$2

So this sucked but it's sort of cool that I'm at a point where I can rip it all in on a pure bluff, get snapped off by the effective nuts, and just shrug it off. Probably should've folded pre but got sticky. Good bluff, yea or nay?

PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 102.68 BB
BTN: 68.33 BB
SB: 264 BB
BB: 98.5 BB
UTG: 224.22 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 4

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (20.5 BB, 2 players) T A 4
BB bets 6.43 BB, Hero calls 6.43 BB

Turn: (33.35 BB, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero bets 21.02 BB, BB calls 21.02 BB

River: (75.39 BB, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets 62.56 BB and is all-in, BB calls 61.06 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 5 4 (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 42%, Flop 24%, Turn 11%)
BB shows A K (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 58%, Flop 76%, Turn 89%)
BB wins 196 BB
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Old 08-25-2021, 12:24 AM   #352
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Re: Koss's Rec Grinding $1/$2

Think this is played perfectly.

88-99 are some other bluff candidates here otr

You should be taking this kind of line multiple times a session v regs though so that would be my biggest take away from the outside looking in.

this is pretty much a mandatory bluff, assuming readless v reg.

It should become similarly natural to you as taking this line with A 10

glgl, keep it up
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Old 08-28-2021, 08:52 AM   #353
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Re: Koss's Rec Grinding $1/$2

I'll get the good news out of the way first and say that I had my winningest online session of all time. Since I've been on a good win streak lately I decided it was time to take advantage of the typical Friday night games and go for 500NL again, and that was where almost all my winning came in at. Most of it was pretty straightforward. KK all in pre vs. AK and held. Flopped a few sets. Otherwise there were only a few interesting hands. Both of them vs. the same villain.

PokerStars - $5 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 103.5 BB
BTN: 194.23 BB
SB: 187.99 BB
Hero (BB): 158.14 BB
UTG: 104.74 BB
MP: 202.78 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 A

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 8 5 K
Hero checks, CO bets 1.72 BB, Hero calls 1.72 BB

Turn: (8.95 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (8.95 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, CO bets 10.6 BB, Hero calls 10.6 BB

CO shows 9 T (High Card, King)
(Pre 46%, Flop 27%, Turn 14%)
Hero shows 5 A (One Pair, Fives)
(Pre 54%, Flop 73%, Turn 86%)
Hero wins 29.55 BB

That one was a weird overbet on the river. He's repping exactly 33 or maybe A4/64. Although I would expect the straight draws to bet the turn a lot and go smaller OTR. Same for 33. This just seems like such a weird attack on what he must perceive to be a weak range in a spot where no value makes sense, and sure enough I snap one off.

This next hand may have been a colossal mistake, but even in hindsight something just feels right about it. Hand first, then thoughts:

PokerStars - $5 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 100.48 BB
BB: 114.05 BB
UTG: 203.97 BB
Hero (CO): 372.36 BB
BTN: 108.21 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, SB calls 2 BB, fold

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) K 9 T
SB checks, Hero bets 3.76 BB, SB raises to 11 BB, Hero calls 7.24 BB

Turn: (28 BB, 2 players) 9
SB bets 18 BB, fold

SB wins 27.4 BB

First off the call out of the SB from this guy is really strange. I pretty much play a 3-bet or fold only out of the SB. The fish was in the BB here, so I think it can be justified if it was a hand that has some multiway equity that likes to see a flop but, but would be a thin 3-bet. I usually think this is small pairs, SC's, things like that. But it's a tough range to nail down, since it's a play that I don't really expect from a decent player and I'm not sure what's going through his head when he makes it.

I sized up my c-bet a bit here thinking he might have some KQ/KJ/QT/JT type hands. The x/r caught me a bit off guard. What's his value here? QJ is the obvious answer. I'm not sure if he has the offsuit combos or not. Maybe some KTs/K9s? Unlikely but not impossible Sure, he may have all of those. Not great. Maybe an oddly played TT/99? Not likely, but not impossible. But what about bluffs? Is he turning some SD value into a bluff like the hands I mentioned above? Can he have J8? Doubt it. 87? Maybe sometimes. Can he have AQ/AJ and take this line? Possibly, but I'd expect the 3-bet a lot. Despite getting a good turn card, it felt too much like this line was too hard to balance on this board, and made probably the nittiest fold I've made in a long time. I'm sure it's bad from a solver standpoint, but didn't really feel like calling off my stack vs. a range I was struggling to find bluffs in, despite the relative strength of my hand. Flame away.
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Old 09-07-2021, 03:47 PM   #354
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Re: Koss's Rec Grinding $1/$2

Alright, time for some reflection. I've been playing fairly seriously now for about 6 months. My volume isn't great, but it's not that bad either. Same with results:



My goals at the start of the year were to make $8000 and be playing 200NL. I haven't quite made $8K at the tables but I'm on pace to. But with rakeback, deposit bonuses, and other incentives (daily blackjack promo) I am up well over $8K and playing some 500NL when the games are good, so that's fun. I was a little more aggressive with my bankroll than I originally planned, mostly because I'm not sure how long these games will be as soft as they are.

My other goal was 200K hands. A bit too ambitious for this year. I sort of knew that.

That said, I've learned a lot about what I don't know. In order to be able to stay at these stakes long term, and to improve my winrate, I definitely need to study more. My studying so far has been pretty passive. I've been subscribed to Red Chip's CORE 2.0. It's been mostly beginner level training. Great for some new players, but overall I can't say I've gotten what I need out of it. I've been mostly studying 30ish minutes per day, going through one of their training modules, and participating in some discussions. I've gotten some use out of it, some preflop range tweaks, some tips on playing OOP, and aggression (I bluff more now). But overall much of it was stuff I already knew, or was so basic it doesn't translate to actual tactics very well.

But I like the coaches there and their approach to the game. So I think I am going to subscribe to their PRO membership, at least in the short term, and see if it has some of the more nitty gritty stuff I'm looking for. If that doesn't cut it, then I'll have to look at one of the more expensive sites like Upswing or RIO.

Then, I am going to take one night per week that I would normally play, and dedicate it to off table work. This includes solver work, which I have never done. I'm going to start with GTO Wizard, I hear good things. PIO is a bit more than I am looking to spend at the moment, but will go down that road later if I feel it can help. My knowledge of GTO play is basically what I have picked up via videos, podcasts, and discussions here. I have done no structured work on actually learning a more solver refined approach.

Other study on this one night a week will include
-Solver analysis of some tough spots
-Database analysis to look for my own leaks.
-Database analysis on the regs in my game to look for their leaks. That's right guys. Those of you at my table every night, I'm coming for you!

My first 80kish hands were about making money, climbing the stakes, and having fun doing it. Now for the next 80k, I want to learn not just how to play a decent ABC strategy and exploiting fish, but being able to hold my own and beat some of the regs in these games. I'd like to keep playing mainly 200NL, and continuing to game select at 500NL. Maybe higher if the games are good? We shall see.
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Old 09-13-2021, 12:23 PM   #355
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Re: Koss's Rec Grinding $1/$2

Monday update. I had an up and down week last week, mostly down though. For the most part it was just run-bad though (had 2 overpairs get 2 outered by smaller PP's as well as a KK<AA cooler in there), so I'm not too worried. I've been studying some of the new material I've got access to now, specifically in the area of database analysis. It's looking good. It looks like I may need to invest in Hand 2 Note as it's a pretty powerful tool for it.

I've still been playing 500NL in the right conditions as I've been learning the player pool there. There's decent overlap between the 500 & 200NL player pools but there are a surprising number of both good players & fish that I never see at 200. I got my first stacking at the stake when I ripped AQs in a BvB scenario into AK.

Tonight may be another study night instead of playing, then back to the grind later in the week.
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Old 09-15-2021, 09:18 AM   #356
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Re: Koss's Rec Grinding $1/$2

So I've spent a week going through training modules on database analysis looking for leaks, finding some areas where I was making a few too many mistakes, and then this happened:



Biggest winning session yet. It's definitely a good feeling. Clearing the 2K mark was a fun milestone. My biggest win previously was about $1300. A decent chunk was when a guy gifted his stack to me here:

PokerStars - $5 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 90.88 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 156.27 BB
MP: 118.48 BB
CO: 146.58 BB
Hero (BTN): 136.79 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T A

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 5.5 BB

Flop: (17.5 BB, 2 players) 4 T 2
CO checks, Hero bets 5.07 BB, CO calls 5.07 BB

Turn: (27.64 BB, 2 players) 3
CO checks, Hero bets 14 BB, CO raises to 38 BB, Hero calls 24 BB

River: (103.64 BB, 2 players) 9
CO bets 95.51 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 85.72 BB and is all-in

CO shows J A (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 70%, Flop 12%, Turn 27%)
Hero shows T A (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 30%, Flop 88%, Turn 73%)
Hero wins 274.48 BB

That's one of my biggest pots ever (I think it comes in a close 2nd behind the weird $1400 pot I won at 1/2 I'm sure is a few years back in this thread somewhere). I don't hate his line on the turn but I think his river shove is way too optimistic with that hand in that spot.

I even lost a big pot along the way here. I'm not sure if I could have played it much different or really changed the results, it's just one of those spots I guess.

PokerStars - $5 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 61.39 BB
BB: 106.31 BB
UTG: 109.53 BB
CO: 212.24 BB
Hero (BTN): 450.91 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T A

fold, CO raises to 2.19 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 7.81 BB

Flop: (21.5 BB, 2 players) K 7 8
CO checks, Hero bets 7.6 BB, CO raises to 34.68 BB, Hero calls 27.08 BB

Turn: (90.85 BB, 2 players) Q
CO bets 61 BB, Hero calls 61 BB

River: (212.85 BB, 2 players) K
CO bets 106.56 BB and is all-in, fold

CO wins 212.25 BB

I won some big pots at 2NL as well to close out the big session. While it took a lot of rungood to make this session happen, hopefully this is a sign of more things to come as I continue to work on my game.
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Old 09-15-2021, 02:53 PM   #357
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GL
Did you consider buying GTO+ it's much cheaper then PIO and has almost all of the same options. Price is like 70$.
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Old 09-15-2021, 03:20 PM   #358
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Re: Koss's Rec Grinding $1/$2

Merry christmas on that ATss hand. Taking that line with AJdd seems extremely punty to me.
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Old 09-15-2021, 04:14 PM   #359
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Did you consider buying GTO+ it's much cheaper then PIO and has almost all of the same options. Price is like 70$.
Oh yeah, it's pretty much in my shopping cart. Red Chip just released a GTO+ course that I have access to with my membership there. It's just a time thing at this point. I've got some other stuff I want to work on first before I get to deep into solver stuff (mainly probing my own database for leaks) but I'll probably start the GTO+ course sometime in the next week or so.

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Merry christmas on that ATss hand. Taking that line with AJdd seems extremely punty to me.
Yeah, I was trying to think how I would have played it if I were him. Pre-flop defend seems fine CO vs. BTN. Against my small flop bet it feels like 2 overs + the BDNFD is a mandatory defend. Turn I bet on the small side again just because my hand isn't really vulnerable to anything. I priced him in pretty well where he can make a +EV call. With a x/r he doesn't really have any value that makes sense other than a weird slowplay or a turned wheel or set. I don't have too many hands that are double barreling and folding the turn.

Even as played I think river needs to be a give up. His hand has poor removal, and I've shown I'm not ready to go anywhere. The line can work against scared money nits where you can just bomb them off all non-nutted hands with big bets, but I like to think I'm not that nit and would have called down even if I didn't make the nuts on the river.
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Old 09-15-2021, 07:38 PM   #360
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Congrats on the success pretty sick run up
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