How are the vegas games? Worth the trip? Im supposed to be going the 15th but i am considering not going.

You're kidding, right?

Would you say games are softer in Vegas or la? Seems like there were a lot of young pros 3bet squeezing like crazy while I was in Vegas. Maybe just during the series and not at the Rio.

How would you go about table selecting? Just stereotype the players, rail each table for a few hands, stack sizes?

Dan, stop playing blackjack.

90%+ of young "pros" who are 3bet squeezing like crazy in full ring games are not good players and probably actually good for your winrate. Not going to go into too much detail on why, but if you've followed the thread you should know.

But anyway, if you don't know how to/don't want to deal with it, just minbuy and limp/jam AAxx and laugh as they are forced to call it off with 9987ss.

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Vegas games are good, like I posted earlier table selection is king. I would say that 90%+ of the time during primetime with ~8 5-5 PLO tables, at least 1 table will be extremely tough with 5+ winning players, while at least 1 other table will have players who do stuff like ship in $2k on J666 with AJ73r thinking their hand is basically the nuts (yes, I witnessed this last night, also yea the fact players even make it to the flop with that kind of hand...).

I noticed all the LA regs (including myself) hop around from table to table constantly, whereas most other players don't. I think it's the nature of being from LA where we have the luxury/practice of doing so at home while other players have no experience in it and just, well, don't.

I remember last year I just played at the first table I got seated at 100% of the time. Doing that will be a bigger hit on your winrate than if you for some reason force yourself to fold Aces every time you get them.

Thanks for the comments!

Man I feel like I should either not answer this or charge money for it, since it's something that could actually potentially hurt me in the microcosm of the WSOP room. But whatever I'm a nice guy so here you go:

Table selection strategy is something I'm actually very curious about myself, everyone has their own strategies. Personally I just sit at the first table I get, and see if I like it (usually it's no, but hey 1/5 chance of getting the nuts at 5 tables!).

OK now here is the big one. Walk around and just look at a few pots per table. If there's a bunch of green chips/dollar bills in the pot, it means people are straddling $25 often enough that red chips go out of use. Any 5/5 PLO game not using red chips = the nuts.

If you can't find a table like the one above, stereotypes are pretty solid. Of course they aren't completely effective (Marvin has a tattoo, limon looks 40, I wear a blazer), but in general, 90%+ of players who have tattoos/look 40/wear suits are fish. Other stuff to look for is jewelry, females, players of middle-eastern descent, players wearing too much poker regalia, players who are just too damn handsome*, etc.

*I've never heard anything about this and and came up with this one on my own. I think it's very effective in LA, because then the guy's occupation is heavily weighted towards the entertainment industry- aka he gets his money somewhere he doesn't need math/etc.

Finally, here is my last resort strategy which is insanely effective. Follow the other LA regs around. I won't tell you who they are out of respect for them, but if you see myself move from Table X to Table Y, it's a good bet that Table X sucks and Table Y is juicy.

Abe isnt 40+?

He certainly looks it ;p

Nope, not kidding. Leaving a soft casino for Vegas during the wsop for PLO might not be the best choice. Hold em is different.

It's worth it to come meet 2+2ers but purely in terms of profitability, staying at home is probably best. Especially because half of the good players in your pool will be in Vegas while exactly zero of the bad players will be.

+1

Back at Bicycle, playing long sessions again. 8 hours, down $309 by the end. Got stuck $3k pretty quickly with an extremely bad call in a 3-way all in pot with J976cc on AcTd8s. Not going to go into too much detail but if I had thought about it for like 30 seconds longer it would have been an obvious fold.

Won two $1.5k+ pots with bluffs, did a raise flop + barrel turn/river on 7s6x5x4sKs with a total airball vs. a preflop raiser who I thought was weighted towards high cards. He folded a set of 7's on the river getting about 3:1. Marvin laid down a set to my AK98hh vs. my flop raise/turn barrel on Jx7h6hKx.

Will be commentating with Nichole Jurgens on LATB on Tuesday. Hopefully no scheduling mishaps happen this time.

Haven't seen this number in awhile- LA total: $72026, 604 hours.

I guess I'll also put this somewhere I can conveniently find it since I'm going back soon...

Las Vegas total: $15396, 37 hours.

Nice result, this is mostly 5/5 plo?

almost exclusively 5/5 PLO wiith very tiny bits of 5/10/25 PLO, 1/2 PLO, 5/5 5-card Omaha High, 1/2 Big O, and 2/5 NLHE splashed in.

Was at Bike NL today saw you Zach and Limon in the game

Yep, was good times.

I just signed up for twitter! Looks really empty right now... tweet me some random stuff/questions friends

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Haha holy s.h.i.t. is this real? Very impressive, keep it up!

What did you buy in for at the5/5

Ffffuuuuuuuu for winning 15k

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well 37 hours is roughly 800 hands that you get dealt in full ring PLO, so yea sample size. I won't forget my San Diego total was -$11,000 in 10 hours either, so really just working back from that!

Thanks for the support 11t

I take limon's advice on this that there's no point in covering a decent player, you're just putting both of you into a -EV spot where you have to adjust to each other while shorter stacks benefit*. So I always buy in for somewhere between $200-$1000, and will usually top off within 1-2 orbits to cover anyone I perceive as a fish at the table which could be up to $10k (yea, 2000bb deep at 5/5!). But yea I see lots of solid players ego trip and feel like they have to have the biggest stack at the table, but they're honestly just hurting both themselves and the other decent players. Note that by "decent players" I'm not even talking about players who you perceive to be better than you or your equals, I'm talking about just like breakeven players who aren't completely face up- no point in covering them.

*quick recent hand example of this: myself, 1 tough LA reg and 1 decent player who are both super deep, and 6 fish at a table. Extremely heavy action on a Tx9s7s board. I get it in 4 ways with J8xx and win vs. the decent deepstack who had top two + NFD while the deep tough LA reg is forced to fold his J8xx no redraw since he's crushed by decent deepstack's range (fish are in there with who knows what, 86xx, QJxx, 77xx, and other crap they should be folding).

Another example, when your table is aggro preflop and you have absolutely no reads, buying in for $200 for free lol-limp-shove-AAxx-+EV is great while you're gathering reads. Other times you sit down, first hand you observe is a guy with $5k in front of him who started the hand UTG and calls a sizeable river bet with Q852ss on Q4454 and flips his hand over in disgust when he loses to KKxx, and it's obvious you should insta-buy-in for $5k.

Almost 100 pages and loving it thus far (Reading backwards)!

Saw the post about selling off seats at 5/5 plo in pavilion. Only playing 1/3 here but one time a lady came to my table, with a seat card that matched the table we were at. For some reason the floor came over and removed her from the game, and a few players at the table chatted about someone scouting the seat for her or she was doing that for someone. Was confused but wondered if this is as illegal as selling lammers (no one really cares, just dont do in front of security.) Does this happen a lot?

Awesome results in Vegas!

The WSOP poker room is run like ****. While I personally never take any seat the floor doesn't tell me to, I honestly can't blame anyone who just snakes seats (i.e., sits down when you see an open one) because if you don't do it you're going to get screwed, period. I can't even count on my fingers the amount of times I've been screwed by their ****ty ass system and I've only been there like 5 days.

Don't know why they cut so much costs on casino employees, the area seriously needs like minimum twice as many of everything except dealers/chip runners. This includes floormen, cocktail servers, the people who put you on the list (hosts?), the people who take seat cards... anyway /endrant

Thank you for this! I kept being told a 'must buy in max' rule and have done it even though my gut was telling me it didn't make sense for me at a table of strangers.

It comes from an ego thing saying "I'm the best player at the table, i should cover everyone". But it's false- even if you are sure you're the best player (and I would guess that about 80% of people who are sure, are wrong), if your edge is marginal then you can be costing yourself and someone else EV by sitting really deep with them. You guys BOTH lose EV to everyone else at the table.

Just played a 3 hour session with a fairly dream lineup. Was up $905 at the end, mostly PLO with a tiny bit of PLO8 splashed in. Also crushed Marvin in gift shop over/under betting after the game broke.

Example hand demonstrating a serious leak of a high stakes Supernova Elite online pro:

I limp A643, limps around. 6 ways on the flop.

Flop QT7, Pot $30
Abe leads $25, I raise to $70, Marvin flats, fish makes it $200, folds around to me, I make it $570. Marvin tank folds, fish ships all in for same amount with K high flush. Marvin said he cold called me the first with a 5 high flush since he didn't think I would ever raise there if I had the nuts, he thought I was more likely to have the blocker... now here's the thing.

6 ways with fish in the pot, I'm never bluffing. I turn my hand faceup to Abe who probably knew EXACTLY what I had when I put in the $70, but it's fine because that's not where the money comes from. I would never (or rather, should never) raise with the blocker in that spot because there are 3 fish behind me who will never fold any set or flush. Sometimes, you gotta put balance behind you and just crush fish.

LA total: $72931, 607 hours.

sick thread bro, you inspired me to ditch NLHE and learn PLO and PLO8

I saw your post, it was helpful.

I've got a question tho, I only play online, there are no live games in my country, so which site do you recommend?

Should I play PLO Rush/Zoom or table select?

Thanks bro!