lost $2035 today in 3 hours at 5/10 PLO. I never can win in this game... wtf. Tried shortstacking it today, lost my $500 bullet SEVEN TIMES before quadrupling up the last one. Made a lot of marginal preflop shoves, checked them in PPT afterwards and they all seemed fine in retrospect. Just felt bad since I kept losing.

Someone recently mentioned me in dgiharris's thread as a reference point of how live PLO variance is much higher than live NLHE variance- I would be careful with that. I bring the variance upon myself with my playstyle, which is extremely aggro here in Tampa since I feel like the players are more face-up/predictable. The way I played in LA/Vegas was pretty low-variance style, I'm sure it's still more than NLHE but not significantly so.

oh, also I only run it once now too. That makes a big deal.

Florida total: $5,820, 236 hours.

can you explain why you think #2 is a loaded question?

also i gave absolutely no description of villain at all (my bad- young guy, seems competent), so i'm not sure what you mean by "described player"

1 more question: what percentage of the time should i bet turn once checked to.

(by the way sorry if wording is confusing, but i meant with my range and not my exact hand for all questions).

If you feel like bringing your mallet and flying into Chicago to beat on the Wsop Circuit Horseshoe Hammond Plo games like a diverse set of gongs let me know.

I'll be arriving there tomm if you're interested in a change of scenery.

my response was a reply to another poster's suggestion that i should give PLO a try. hope you were not offended by it. i suppose such swings (positive and negative) are nothing out of the ordinary for the PLO players but to someone who's never tried the game, they look quite scary.

cool thread & life. I have a lot of respect for you for quitting your job when you no longer were enjoying it. You get one life! Anyways how are the $2/$5NL games in the florida area? I'm considering driving down to grind for a while, live out the car, etc the mike-wolfe classic.

haha won't be going to Chicago or anywhere that soon...

2/5 NLHE games in Florida are fine, not mind-blowing but I can almost guarantee that you won't be disappointed with them.

cool, maybe i'll run into you down there later this month - November. Not so nice in New England when it gets colder. Good luck, I'll be following your thread.

Just finished reading entire thread. EPIC Journey! Kind of thing that takes guts, dreams, and determination to do. Add one more to your fanbase.

tyty for comments

played 2 hours, up $666.

So recently I've gotten pretty accustomed to standard variance and have just posted close spots... I was telling Tyler my hand posting range is becoming very imbalanced and not representative of the games. So today, I will mix it up and post the biggest hand I lost:

UTG straddle, UTG+1 raises to $30, UTG+2 calls, I raise to $135 with KK84, folds to UTG+1 who raises to $480, folds to me who jams for not much more. UTG+1 quickly calls and shows Q983.

Florida total: $6,486, 238 hours.

Oh also I beat tmckendry for $20 in a 100bb HU PLO freezeout on pokerstars play money. Conclusive evidence that I am a better player

come on man, we could use some aesah down here

They have a 1/2 Plo game w $5 bring in at Horseshoe Hammond and it keeps chirping me to come play it whenever I walk by...

I saw a guy call a pre flop raise with Kc Js 4s 2d...

Your thread makes me wanna try plo for a month so bad.

So many fish who don't even understand starting hands.

Holy ****. That is a good game. I don't think PLO plays like that in Seattle.

To tell you how soft PLO can be... I lost a $2k AIPF pot to QQQ2

... I had AAJ4... so his clubs were dead too.

.. and the V in that hand plays NLHE full time for a living

I lost $2k in a 1 hour session and left feeling pretty sick (not physically), losing with AA43 in a 4-bet pot vs 9763 on Q99 with SPR = 1, then losing another "flip" shortly after to the same villain. After the second hand I mucked, he called floor over to see if they could pull my hand out of the muck so he could see it. Don't think he realized what a dick move this was, as he's a very nice guy- also to give you an idea of how good the games are, he was unquestionably the 2nd best player at the table.

My confidence in my abilities is still high, but my resolve is shattered, having lost roughly $15k in the past 120 hours. I don't feel "injusticed" or anything as honestly the variance both 1) isn't really that bad, 2) doesn't actually affect my life, but, well, it's really quite demoralizing when people keep shipping AIPF with top 80% hands and winning.

Florida total: $4,486, 239 hours.

The most atrocious PLO preflop all in hand I've ever heard of with J222 (who won, obviously) in Turntup's thread.

However hands like 9763ss are very common to be all in preflop for ~100bb, I wouldn't even say it's a daily occurrence, as that would be an understatement. Somewhere between hourly/daily seems about right.

Better get your money back due to a faulty deck.

Sorry about the downswing. Time to get up to Maryland live for a change of scenery.

oops that's supposed to be two spades, 1 club on the flop

Do you need to be a little tighter until you understand better how the Tampa regs and recs play?

Hands where all their cards are live gives them about 44 percent equity against AAxx. Granted you can run into spots where you are up to 70/30 but your average equity in these spots might run to about 60/40s.

Granted you could get rich taking alot of "flips" at 60/40. But i can see one could run extremely bad in these spots for a month or two and its sort of just a bad run of variance that should probably happen for a month or two every year.

Say what you will about hold'em when someone pushes blind and gets called (which does not happen much these days) there equity will probably be about 20 percent.

If people want to play poor holdings they are tougher to play after the flop especially in multi-way fields because their draws might not be live but if they can manage to get them heads up preflop its not so bad.

I guess you should just look at it as having a great year and just hitting one really bad patch of bad variance which sort of happens to most PLO players at some point.

Don,

Did you delete the post where you asked a few more questions regarding the A2xx vs AAxx hand? And also delete my answers to your questions?

Hope I'm not going crazy.

^ I didn't do anything- also I think I would usually bet turn with A2xx, did you not realize I had AK2x on turn? I think most of his range is drawing to like, no more than 4 outs vs. me when he checks that turn.

Despite playing poker being the absolute last thing I want to do, Tyler texted me and said the game was amazing so I grudgingly went back. Played less than 1 orbit of NLHE, get AA and lose a buyin (standard).

Go to PLO, short-buy, one of the first hands I play, I 3-bet all-in with AAxx vs villain 1, and villain 2 with nothing invested cold calls. Board runs out QQQQ5, I flip over my hand, villain 1 flips over Axxx and says "chop it up", villain 2 flips over J944ss. Game immediately confirmed good.

Ended up +$735 in 2 hours.

Florida total: $5,221, 241 hours.

lol did he say anything after the pot got pushed to you and it was made clear that two cards must be used?

1) You didn't do anything, so odd. Did you ask a followup post asking a couple questions one being, "what did I mean by loaded question?"
If you did I dont see it or my response.
If you didn't that is $&#^ scary cuz I must have dreamt it which is really weird.

2) I def missed that you had AK2 not just A2. It makes it more pure value than just protection now. I wouldn't assume he never has a FD or wrap on turn. You did call on a dry A-high flop; there's no reason for him to believe he has massive FE on turn. He can def opt to xc draws on turn. Additionally even if he has 4 outs max, once he checks turn he prob isn't bluffing river. Accordingly you benefit from betting for protection. I dont think he is going to have a lot of worse made hands to call you on river with so checking to bet river doesn't benefit us much. Additionally any of those hands that xc river could also xc turn as well. To me betting turn is by far the best. And his river action is Lead>xc>cr.