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07-16-2016 , 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mzbourg
haha one of the better troll posts Ive read this year
Mz - LOL! I'm too old for that kinda sh*t!

Just my 2p worth playing mostly on the weekends. Grinding is for chimps ... try playing less tables for (slightly) higher stakes and see how that works for you instead of grinding away another 12K hands ... LOL!
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07-16-2016 , 06:32 AM
You are American arent you?
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07-16-2016 , 06:35 AM
It's almost as though he believes his own bull****!
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07-16-2016 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
As many stats as you have. I'll take a glance and see if there's anything outlandish.
Okay, will do. Thanks

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Originally Posted by LJTraffic
I wouldn't move down from here ... I'd move up! 25nl you're playing against regs and some of the best players that have moved up the micro's. Move up to low stakes and at 50nl you're playing against those starting off at that level i.e. beginners and recreational players esp. on weekends. Games are a lot looser and more profitable in my experience.
That wouldn't be a good idea. Also, weekends are pretty much out for me as that's when I'm 'socialising'

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Originally Posted by Mzbourg
haha one of the better troll posts Ive read this year
To be fair, I think he's serious.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LJTraffic
Mz - LOL! I'm too old for that kinda sh*t!

Just my 2p worth playing mostly on the weekends. Grinding is for chimps ... try playing less tables for (slightly) higher stakes and see how that works for you instead of grinding away another 12K hands ... LOL!
I don't really 'grind'. I only play 6 tables these days and 12k hands is in no way a lot.
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07-16-2016 , 07:31 AM
Thoughts on this hand folks? Villain is playing 27/22/9.3 and folds to 3bets 47%

My own thoughts are are I'm cbetting the flop with my backdoor draws and overcards, also hoping to fold out his AQ/KQ type hands. On the turn I'm barrelling the overcard which also increases my equity. Folding to the turn raise as I'm pretty sure I don't have enough equity to call it off. Anyone disagree with this line?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

BB ($25)
Hero (Button) ($26.57)
MP ($25)
UTG ($33.90)
SB ($32.46)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4, A
UTG raises $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises $2.45, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.70

Flop: ($5.25) 5, 9, 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.80, UTG calls $2.80

Turn: ($10.85) J (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.37, UTG raises $19, Hero folds

Total pot: $21.59
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07-16-2016 , 09:50 AM
This is a bit random but this guys thread is a good read. Some crazy stories about his ex wife etc and definitely not your usual TR.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/10...ng-tr-1615890/
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07-16-2016 , 06:55 PM
I think flop is a check with A4, but when you bet and we see that turn I think turn is a check as well.
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07-16-2016 , 07:02 PM
Don't cbet that texture with anything. Hits him,much harder

Wouldn't cbet ops either. Your AA probably only getting 2 streets vrs most. Also many people will cap themselves and you can bluff riv more easily

Also dislike 3b given low f3b Stat but it's not awful he folds to cbets in 3b pot

Last edited by pokerarb; 07-16-2016 at 07:08 PM.
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07-17-2016 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mzbourg
I think flop is a check with A4, but when you bet and we see that turn I think turn is a check as well.
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Originally Posted by pokerarb
Don't cbet that texture with anything. Hits him,much harder

Wouldn't cbet ops either. Your AA probably only getting 2 streets vrs most. Also many people will cap themselves and you can bluff riv more easily

Also dislike 3b given low f3b Stat but it's not awful he folds to cbets in 3b pot
Thanks guys.

Looks like my thought process is completely wrong on this one. I wondered if that was the case.

Re cbetting in 3bet pots, I'm at 64.7% and I'd been looking at some of the biggest winners I have in my database and they are mostly over 70%. The biggest winner I have cbets 86.7% and barrels the turn 85.7%. I wonder if it's possible that constant aggression at these stakes gets the money whereas it will see them getting exploited at higher stakes, hence the reason they're at 25nl?

I've picked out the top 5 and, with one exception, they all have high WWSF



One other thing I noticed....



They're all luck boxes
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07-19-2016 , 03:00 PM
I'm assuming villain's trying to rep a slow played boat

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (SB) ($25.60)
Button ($27.47)
UTG ($24.75)
MP ($31.14)
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, Q
3 folds, Hero raises $0.65, BB raises $2.07, Hero calls $1.57

Flop: ($4.64) 5, 5, Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.62, Hero calls $2.62

Turn: ($9.88) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($9.88) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, BB raises to $20.06 (All-In), Hero calls $14.06

Total pot: $50

Spoiler:

Hero had K, Q (two pair, Kings and Queens).
BB didn't show (he had TT)
Outcome: Hero won $47.50
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07-19-2016 , 03:59 PM
haha that line with TT. Soooo bad
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07-19-2016 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BenaBadBeat
haha that line with TT. Soooo bad
Russian reg. Gotta win every pot. National pride is at stake.
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07-20-2016 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
Thanks guys.

Looks like my thought process is completely wrong on this one. I wondered if that was the case.

Re cbetting in 3bet pots, I'm at 64.7% and I'd been looking at some of the biggest winners I have in my database and they are mostly over 70%. The biggest winner I have cbets 86.7% and barrels the turn 85.7%. I wonder if it's possible that constant aggression at these stakes gets the money whereas it will see them getting exploited at higher stakes, hence the reason they're at 25nl?

I've picked out the top 5 and, with one exception, they all have high WWSF



One other thing I noticed....



They're all luck boxes
They are most likely bots
Two kind of regs have very high cbet flop and turn % at 25nl, the crazy spewy regs with low winrates and high winrate bots
50-52 wwsf + winnings over a large sample indicate bots

Humans with 50WWSF+ don't stay more than a few thousand hands at 25nl
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07-21-2016 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by botsonparty
They are most likely bots
Two kind of regs have very high cbet flop and turn % at 25nl, the crazy spewy regs with low winrates and high winrate bots
50-52 wwsf + winnings over a large sample indicate bots

Humans with 50WWSF+ don't stay more than a few thousand hands at 25nl
I'll need to start looking at them more closely.
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07-21-2016 , 12:49 PM
I don't know if I mentioned on here but I'm heading to Vegas in September. Would people be interested on me putting a mini T/R in here? It probably won't feature any poker and is more likely to be food & alcohol based.

Also, I had a session last night where I felt I played pretty poorly in a few spots so I've decided to post any hands I play badly, or believe I played badly, or even ones where I'm not sure if I played badly on here over the next few days. It's a way of holding myself to account. In my defence yesterday the session started off with this hand

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Hero (UTG) ($27.49)
Button ($25)
SB ($38.65)
BB ($25.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q
Hero raises $0.75, Button raises $2.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.35) 5, 5, 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2.54, Hero calls $2.54

Turn: ($10.43) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $4.95, Hero raises $12.37, Button raises to $19.96 (All-In), Hero calls $7.59

River: ($50.35) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $50.35

Spoiler:

Button had 10, 10 (full house, tens over fives).
Hero had Q, Q (two pair, Queens and fives).
Outcome: Button won $48.35


...and didn't really improve any after that.


So anyway, expect some train-wreck style hands over the next few days. Hopefully not too many though...
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07-21-2016 , 02:55 PM
Food + alcohol > poker. So yes.
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07-21-2016 , 03:29 PM
You don't need to ask, it's ur thread lol. And Yes to any vegas action..!!
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07-21-2016 , 03:53 PM
The thing is, I've done a fair bit of the touristy thing before (fired guns, paid stupid money to sit in a stupid ice bar drinking from a stupid ice glass etc ) so I don't think there will be anything out of the ordinary. There's unlikely to be any poker as I played a few hours on my first trip but now I don't see the point in flying half way around the world to sit playing poker when there's so much more to do and see. There may be a little black-jack and video poker for the lols though. And the g/f seems to like craps form some reason.
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07-21-2016 , 05:15 PM
Okay, as per post 540 here's the good, the bad and the ugly (minus the good). Actually there wasn't all that much that was too bad so we'll just have to go with these:

1) Villain is 27/22/11 Russian reg. Anyone play this differently?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (MP) ($40.14)
Button ($32.97)
BB ($29.72)
SB ($4.91)
UTG ($41.42)
CO ($49.64)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, J
1 fold, Hero raises $0.75, 1 fold, Button raises $2.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.85) 4, 7, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.85) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: ($9.85) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $5, Hero folds

Total pot: $9.85

Spoiler:

Button didn't show



2) Another Russian reg. He plays 24/19/9. And cbets 80% ip in 3bet pots (has folded to 0 out of 2 check-raises) and barrels the turn 90%.
around 40% equity against an overpair and his range is obviously wider than that.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Hero (CO) ($31.22)
SB ($25.41)
BB ($33.34)
MP ($24.90)
UTG ($25)
Button ($26.87)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6, 6
2 folds, Hero raises $0.75, Button raises $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($4.35) 5, 3, 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero?



3) A 20/16/7 reg. Folds to 3bet 38% ip and 67% oop. 4bets 23%.

When he 4bets I'm pretty sure I'm behind his range. Squeeze/folding doesn't seem good. Are we ever just flatting this oop?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Hero (SB) ($28.98)
MP ($26.91)
UTG ($33.12)
CO ($25)
BB ($45.10)
Button ($12.87)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
UTG raises $0.75, MP calls $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises $3.40, 1 fold, UTG raises $7.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $28.98 (All-In), UTG calls $20.73

Flop: ($58.96) 2, 3, 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($58.96) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($58.96) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $58.96

Spoiler:

Hero had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
UTG had A, A (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: UTG won $56.02





The ugly

Spoiler:

4) Versus a 40/2/0 fish. He's surprisingly aggro postflop with a 53% WWSF. If the river wasn't a 9 I actually think I could've got away from this

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

CO ($25)
Hero (SB) ($25.75)
BB ($16.23)
Button ($36.31)
UTG ($25)
MP ($33.89)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A
4 folds, Hero raises $0.65, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) 9, 7, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1.07, BB calls $1.07

Turn: ($3.64) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.59, BB raises $5.18, Hero calls $2.59

River: ($14) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $9.23 (All-In), Hero calls $9.23

Total pot: $32.46

Spoiler:

Hero had A, A (full house, nines over Aces).
BB had 2, 9 (four of a kind, nines).
Outcome: BB won $30.84



5) The same fish a few hands later (or maybe I'm the fish here)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

BB ($25.50)
Hero (MP) ($25)
CO ($16.58)
UTG ($36.34)
Button ($45.67)
SB ($30.79)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, A
1 fold, Hero raises $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 2 folds, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35) 9, 7, 8 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.62, CO calls $1.62, 1 fold

Turn: ($5.59) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($7.59) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Total pot: $12.59

Spoiler:

Hero had A, A (two pair, Aces and Jacks).
CO had J, Q (three of a kind, Jacks).
Outcome: CO won $11.97


6) No comment required on this one

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Hero (MP) ($25.63)
BB ($57.13)
SB ($10.29)
UTG ($45.56)
Button ($12.24)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, Q
1 fold, Hero raises $0.75, Button calls $0.75, SB raises to $10.29 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero raises $19.08, Button calls $11.49 (All-In)

Flop: ($35.02) 3, 6, 10 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($35.02) 8 (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($35.02) 4 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $35.02

Spoiler:

Button had 7, 5 (straight, eight high).
SB didn't show
Hero had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
Outcome: Button won $33.27





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07-21-2016 , 05:34 PM
Stack jj pre. Ap is fine

66 stack flop

Qq sqz fold with a nitty img is ok. Prefer sqz fold to mw

AA 1 is fine. AA 2 fold river but lol sizing who cares
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07-22-2016 , 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerarb
Stack jj pre. Ap is fine

66 stack flop
what no, I get we all like pushing equity now but getting it in in spots where you'll have like 20-30% equity with an SPR of like 7 isn't exactly ideal

also, +1 to food + alcohol > poker
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07-23-2016 , 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerarb
Stack jj pre. Ap is fine

66 stack flop

Qq sqz fold with a nitty img is ok. Prefer sqz fold to mw

AA 1 is fine. AA 2 fold river but lol sizing who cares
Ty

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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
what no, I get we all like pushing equity now but getting it in in spots where you'll have like 20-30% equity with an SPR of like 7 isn't exactly ideal

also, +1 to food + alcohol > poker
Which hand are you referring to, the JJ or 66?
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07-23-2016 , 05:04 AM
Looking at some of my opponents play to find specific leaks. This is a portion of a popup I have showing how much someone folds to cbets on flop/turn/river



Fairly simple adjustment to make here...
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07-23-2016 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Husker
Which hand are you referring to, the JJ or 66?
both
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07-23-2016 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
both
The 66 hand we've got a fair bit of equity (almost 40% against a naked overpair). You don't think we have enough FE to make it profitable?
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