ITT we beat Spin & Go Max!
03-12-2021
, 03:46 PM
Once again I slacked for two months on 2+2...
January has been phenomenal in every way on & off the tables!
Volume, results, playing a solid A-game (most of the time).
Diet, sports (to the degree it's possible rn) all worked out very well.
February has been the exact opposite - desastrous sessions for 20+ days, took some breaks that I definitely required. I'm not very good at handling downswings, after some sessions I was freaking out and questioning if that's what I want to pursue:
I did some pros & cons of my current life, of a life I would have if I did some applications for e.g. engineering jobs or something completely different.
I came to the conclusion that I'm very very fortunate to being able to make a living the way I do and that this outweighs the emotional stress and the fear of having red months/years by quite a lot.
To maybe not having to be as afraid of the future as I currently am, I decided to start investing into ETFs and Crypto as long term investments - if you guys have any advice, feel free to DM. Just done some depots / wallets and will start increasing the shares every month by some %.
March is going well so far, up by ~100BIs in only 15s and below, to get back on my (motivation-) feet. Also I'm eating veeery healthy, workout (to loose weight first, not to gain muscle
) to be in the shape of my life once I turn 30 this September.
Variance is huuuge. Be rolled for it, don't be afraid to loose 100+ BIs in a week or this is not your game. To casual poker players this might look like 100% gambling but in all honesty, you could just afk when having to select the price at random and it would be okay, just try to maximize your results in those tough ICM spots, be in the best position you can be come All-In-Mode & cross your fingers.
I actually gave up calculating my winrate properly & only keep track of my BIs, my hours played, my Spins played & my profit. Calculating ROI & hourly is the only thing I'm interested in rn. I know I'm a winning player, that's all that matters to me.
Ty guys, appreciate it!
Here's to staying on track!
January has been phenomenal in every way on & off the tables!
Volume, results, playing a solid A-game (most of the time).
Diet, sports (to the degree it's possible rn) all worked out very well.
February has been the exact opposite - desastrous sessions for 20+ days, took some breaks that I definitely required. I'm not very good at handling downswings, after some sessions I was freaking out and questioning if that's what I want to pursue:
I did some pros & cons of my current life, of a life I would have if I did some applications for e.g. engineering jobs or something completely different.
I came to the conclusion that I'm very very fortunate to being able to make a living the way I do and that this outweighs the emotional stress and the fear of having red months/years by quite a lot.
To maybe not having to be as afraid of the future as I currently am, I decided to start investing into ETFs and Crypto as long term investments - if you guys have any advice, feel free to DM. Just done some depots / wallets and will start increasing the shares every month by some %.
March is going well so far, up by ~100BIs in only 15s and below, to get back on my (motivation-) feet. Also I'm eating veeery healthy, workout (to loose weight first, not to gain muscle
) to be in the shape of my life once I turn 30 this September.
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Interesting blog, would like to talk to you as I am planning to play some Spin and Go Max as well. I had a few questions as I am planning to it mix with some Spin and Go on .fresh sites.
How are you calculating ur winrate. EV-bb/100 and CEV/100? There is some ICM at some spots as well which I assume is hard and even these have a huge variance as the last hands have a really big impact on it as well as the forced all-ins.
Any variance calculator for these like SwongSim because even tough I am used to flash and normal Spin and Go variance I think these can even be bigger almost at mtt level or even worse in variance terms. I feel like it is a softer metagame and easy to win pre-RB Would like to give it a try but so for 400 spinsmax at 50CEV (quite quite bad I assume) and -100 buy-ins down at 20s.
How are you calculating ur winrate. EV-bb/100 and CEV/100? There is some ICM at some spots as well which I assume is hard and even these have a huge variance as the last hands have a really big impact on it as well as the forced all-ins.
Any variance calculator for these like SwongSim because even tough I am used to flash and normal Spin and Go variance I think these can even be bigger almost at mtt level or even worse in variance terms. I feel like it is a softer metagame and easy to win pre-RB Would like to give it a try but so for 400 spinsmax at 50CEV (quite quite bad I assume) and -100 buy-ins down at 20s.
I actually gave up calculating my winrate properly & only keep track of my BIs, my hours played, my Spins played & my profit. Calculating ROI & hourly is the only thing I'm interested in rn. I know I'm a winning player, that's all that matters to me.
Here's to staying on track!
12-01-2021
, 06:41 AM
08-12-2022
, 09:08 PM
AUGUST '22 - Comeback Kid!
Well, it helps, but I'm no geek when it comes to PokerTracker, so e.g. you wanna remove the Forced-All-In-Hands entirely out of this graph. And then the spot you find yourself in pre-Forced-All-In matters infinitely more than your cEV/Tournament really. It's super duper situational and can't per-se say X cEV == crushing.
(Used to be) Big fan of yours btw (when I was actively following the scene.)
I found myself out that I can't half-ass this. If I half-ass and play a hand full of Spins every other day, I get wrecked. I will post the swings now that I intend to play 3k+ Spins a month. Maybe I'm just the biggest sunrunner on earth, we shall see!
All good, life is improving every day. My ressources are called 14 years of Online Poker, 5 years exclusively Heads-Up SnGs, 5+ Years of Spin and Go
I have no idea how I'd tackle going into the Lab nowerdays. I do mark some hands I am a bit uncertain of, but never (until now) actually made it to analyze those. Might be a good idea to post hands for discussion in here in the future!
Cashout option starts appearing when the average 1st place box is ~10x Buy-In!
Well, turns out discipline is not my strong suit. One of the reasons to reactivate this Thread, time to get the accountability that I need to stay sharp and motivated.
The good news: I'm back, and I'm playing the best poker of my life, August pretty certainly will be the best Month Volume- and Result-wise, even though I have been travelling the first 5 days of it.
What happened? Well, long story short - I've been in a terrible state of mind for the last 2 years. Mostly I had to work on getting my head and heart right after a girl very, very dear to me committed suicide. I tried out a lot, lot of different stuff.
I travelled a lot, tried out different sports, gaming, programming, just kept myself very busy.
Right now Poker is 100% my main occupation, getting around 40h a week in. I play 6 tables, mostly 30$ Spins Max, 50$ Spins & some Hyper & Turbo MTTs. The rest of my days I'm playing Chess (joined my local Chess Club 2 months ago, it's fun playing against some Old Timers and getting beaten up - hah.), programming Games in Unity, swim the river, ride my bike, chill with roommate + his GF and just stroll the city and the countryside.
In terms of Rakeback, I was done with my 2 40% RB-Challenges within 6 days of play (2* 480$, I'll take it). So hopefully next Month I will receive bigger ones. 40% + 25% Chest-RB is a very juicy guranteed income.
Here's some YTD (lolPoker pre August), Month TD & a multiplier that I shipped from yesterday:
YTD (Spins Only)
August (Spins Only)
Shipped dis and Cash-Out, no gamble - even though some EV lost.
Because I'm super in the Poker Zone right now I'm planning three Poker Trips this year:
- Road to PSPC Hamburg: 400€ Tournament 30 minutes drive from my home, so easy peasy - let's see if I'm any good playing Live.
- German Poker Days King's Casino Rozvadov: Playing a hand full of 100-200€ Buy-In Tournaments and just enjoy some time off the Computer.
- EPT / Eureka Prague: Going there with my former roommate who used to ship the occasional 2.50$-180-man-SnG most likely playing the Eureka ME and some Sats for EPT-Main.
I'll try to update this at least once a week, most likely more often - who knows maybe after every session just to tell y'all and myself what's going on in my head.
I'm running absurdly well - I know that - but that combined with a very solid mindset feels amazing. Here's keeping that streak up for as long as I can!
Any questions? Fire away - I don't study at all currently.
<3
(Used to be) Big fan of yours btw (when I was actively following the scene.)
I have no idea how I'd tackle going into the Lab nowerdays. I do mark some hands I am a bit uncertain of, but never (until now) actually made it to analyze those. Might be a good idea to post hands for discussion in here in the future!
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Would love an update here if poss OP. Been running Spins recently back on Stars since the RB got better and looking to move across to Max's... given the few I've played so far deffo seem beatable. Do they still do the cashout option? Not seen it on any so far and had some nice multipliers.
Cashout option starts appearing when the average 1st place box is ~10x Buy-In!
Well, turns out discipline is not my strong suit. One of the reasons to reactivate this Thread, time to get the accountability that I need to stay sharp and motivated.
The good news: I'm back, and I'm playing the best poker of my life, August pretty certainly will be the best Month Volume- and Result-wise, even though I have been travelling the first 5 days of it.
What happened? Well, long story short - I've been in a terrible state of mind for the last 2 years. Mostly I had to work on getting my head and heart right after a girl very, very dear to me committed suicide. I tried out a lot, lot of different stuff.
I travelled a lot, tried out different sports, gaming, programming, just kept myself very busy.
Right now Poker is 100% my main occupation, getting around 40h a week in. I play 6 tables, mostly 30$ Spins Max, 50$ Spins & some Hyper & Turbo MTTs. The rest of my days I'm playing Chess (joined my local Chess Club 2 months ago, it's fun playing against some Old Timers and getting beaten up - hah.), programming Games in Unity, swim the river, ride my bike, chill with roommate + his GF and just stroll the city and the countryside.
In terms of Rakeback, I was done with my 2 40% RB-Challenges within 6 days of play (2* 480$, I'll take it). So hopefully next Month I will receive bigger ones. 40% + 25% Chest-RB is a very juicy guranteed income.
Here's some YTD (lolPoker pre August), Month TD & a multiplier that I shipped from yesterday:
YTD (Spins Only)
August (Spins Only)
Shipped dis and Cash-Out, no gamble - even though some EV lost.
Because I'm super in the Poker Zone right now I'm planning three Poker Trips this year:
- Road to PSPC Hamburg: 400€ Tournament 30 minutes drive from my home, so easy peasy - let's see if I'm any good playing Live.
- German Poker Days King's Casino Rozvadov: Playing a hand full of 100-200€ Buy-In Tournaments and just enjoy some time off the Computer.
- EPT / Eureka Prague: Going there with my former roommate who used to ship the occasional 2.50$-180-man-SnG
most likely playing the Eureka ME and some Sats for EPT-Main.I'll try to update this at least once a week, most likely more often - who knows maybe after every session just to tell y'all and myself what's going on in my head.
I'm running absurdly well - I know that - but that combined with a very solid mindset feels amazing. Here's keeping that streak up for as long as I can!
Any questions? Fire away - I don't study at all currently.
<3
Last edited by Shoving; 08-12-2022 at 09:26 PM.
08-15-2022
, 02:01 PM
08-18-2022
, 12:33 PM
Well, those were some turbulent 48 hours:
Managed to snack solid stacks into these two on first try.
Final tabled:
The Sprint 55$
Runner Up Hot Hyper 22$
The Fast 6 33$
MTT-Wise 85% ROI on 275 games played on 22$ average this year.
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400 Spins in two days, overall lost around 700$ UNTIL 10 minutes ago, when I did manage to Spin the highest Multiplier in my life, chance 25 out of one million:
best 30$reg plus me on table, 3 recs.
Best reg busts first bluffin' turn and river on a failed draw on XXXKK board when rec holds KTo.
Second one busts KJs< AQo, nothing spectacular you can feel lots of tension no raises unless premiums, golden spins having way more hands, 35~ in total compared to 20-25 in non golds.
Some stealing happening, we are 8 hands off All In - BB has ~14BBs, Button and me on SB ~7BB each. I wake up with QTo and shove, Villain wakes up with Aces and byyye.
1.2k < 2.35k < 4.5k - but hey, we just continue the grind. Really enjoying the mix of Spins & MTTs to the fullest!
Managed to snack solid stacks into these two on first try.
Final tabled:
The Sprint 55$
Runner Up Hot Hyper 22$
The Fast 6 33$
MTT-Wise 85% ROI on 275 games played on 22$ average this year.
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400 Spins in two days, overall lost around 700$ UNTIL 10 minutes ago, when I did manage to Spin the highest Multiplier in my life, chance 25 out of one million:
best 30$reg plus me on table, 3 recs.
Best reg busts first bluffin' turn and river on a failed draw on XXXKK board when rec holds KTo.
Second one busts KJs< AQo, nothing spectacular you can feel lots of tension no raises unless premiums, golden spins having way more hands, 35~ in total compared to 20-25 in non golds.
Some stealing happening, we are 8 hands off All In - BB has ~14BBs, Button and me on SB ~7BB each. I wake up with QTo and shove, Villain wakes up with Aces and byyye.
1.2k < 2.35k < 4.5k - but hey, we just continue the grind. Really enjoying the mix of Spins & MTTs to the fullest!
08-19-2022
, 10:01 AM
Back to back days with huge multipliers.
Managed to score 3rd. On top of that I got into ITM 45% of all Spins today, majority being 1st places.
A final table for a 33$ 6k GTD Turbo PKO
These are always nice to bink.
That's another +1.4k$ day in the books.
August to date:
Will take the rest of today + tomorrow completely off, has been the best Month in terms of Mindset, Quality of the game & Results since ever.
Enjoy your weekend, I'll watch some Sandman now, play some chess, go for a walk - tomorrow Minigolf & some daydrinking with good friends.
08-19-2022
, 02:55 PM
These are my 2 losing days this month, the ones where I'm winning mostly I 1.5x-2x my EV in terms of chips won - so yeah I'm well aware I'm running absurdly well, will just try to keep that EV line as high as possible and then let it play out
08-19-2022
, 11:48 PM
Hey man, thanks for your awesome Blog. It was so inspiring that I also dabble in Spin&Go-Max here and there now. I never knew they were beatable on a decent ROI but they probably are, I think a lot of longterm winrate also comes from ICM (when more than 1 place is paid) and how to approach the last few hands in these cases - not just from the 1st place finishes.
I'm from another part of Germany as you are - so you can still play 8 tables on stars.sh as it used to be? 4 tables max for me, I get around it by mixing Sites... but I like to add some Spins-Max when I am winding down my session on 888+WPN
Do you think in 3s (where I am starting out) for the better Regs 10% ROI longterm is sustainable even without much expirience in these specific games, but (in my case) hundreds of thousands of lowstakes SNGs grinded lifetime with ~100K lifetime Profit? If yes, on ~10% EVROI what would you expect is a bad downer in these Games? I am on 100BIs Roll, probably too low?
Keep us updated!
I'm from another part of Germany as you are - so you can still play 8 tables on stars.sh as it used to be? 4 tables max for me, I get around it by mixing Sites... but I like to add some Spins-Max when I am winding down my session on 888+WPN
Do you think in 3s (where I am starting out) for the better Regs 10% ROI longterm is sustainable even without much expirience in these specific games, but (in my case) hundreds of thousands of lowstakes SNGs grinded lifetime with ~100K lifetime Profit? If yes, on ~10% EVROI what would you expect is a bad downer in these Games? I am on 100BIs Roll, probably too low?
Keep us updated!
Last edited by ICrushSNGs22; 08-19-2022 at 11:59 PM.
08-20-2022
, 09:03 AM
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Hey man, thanks for your awesome Blog. It was so inspiring that I also dabble in Spin&Go-Max here and there now. I never knew they were beatable on a decent ROI but they probably are, I think a lot of longterm winrate also comes from ICM (when more than 1 place is paid) and how to approach the last few hands in these cases - not just from the 1st place finishes.
I'm from another part of Germany as you are - so you can still play 8 tables on stars.sh as it used to be? 4 tables max for me, I get around it by mixing Sites... but I like to add some Spins-Max when I am winding down my session on 888+WPN
Do you think in 3s (where I am starting out) for the better Regs 10% ROI longterm is sustainable even without much expirience in these specific games, but (in my case) hundreds of thousands of lowstakes SNGs grinded lifetime with ~100K lifetime Profit? If yes, on ~10% EVROI what would you expect is a bad downer in these Games? I am on 100BIs Roll, probably too low?
Keep us updated!
I'm from another part of Germany as you are - so you can still play 8 tables on stars.sh as it used to be? 4 tables max for me, I get around it by mixing Sites... but I like to add some Spins-Max when I am winding down my session on 888+WPN
Do you think in 3s (where I am starting out) for the better Regs 10% ROI longterm is sustainable even without much expirience in these specific games, but (in my case) hundreds of thousands of lowstakes SNGs grinded lifetime with ~100K lifetime Profit? If yes, on ~10% EVROI what would you expect is a bad downer in these Games? I am on 100BIs Roll, probably too low?
Keep us updated!
Hiya, glad to hear you got some motivation from this (:
Yeah, the forced All-In adds a factor into play that even several Regs that I have 10k+ hands against will a lot of times neglect / play incorrectly.
SH can still play 10 tables until 2023 or 2024 yeah - it has Pros and Cons to be the only regulated part of Germany
10% ROI on 3s sounds doable if you know what you are doing for a couple of thousand Spins. Climbing up the stakes and learning the game I had couple of 100-150 BI downswings, this obviously ain't a gurantee but you *should* be prepared to eventually reload, someone with your background is >50% to crush than to break with 100BI though.
GLGL!
08-23-2022
, 12:07 PM
Hey all, weekend is in the books - although non-existant Volume:
Wen't out on Saturday with friends, partied until 8am and got to Fish Market Hamburg in the morning (basically curious tourists + remaining nightlifers meet up here to get coffee, beer, fish and a beautiful view in) and slept a whole lot on Sunday.
Played some MTTs on Sunday evening and some Spins, ended the day on -500.
Yesterday was my brothers birthday, got around 150 Spins for +250 in.
Today I had a 100 Spin Session - prepared for my upcoming chess match in 1 hour the last couple hours with a friend of mine.
Here's two beauties from todays session:
2nd place for 300
I play 30 50$ regular Spins everyday for the Leaderboard - got this one, first hand Villains AK<AA, so I get into Heads-Up 1:2 Chips.
Playing a bit on the tight side for 35 hands, get down to 400 chips, blinds 20/40 and we are on 10BB, so we widen it up a bit.
Manage to check call 2 bluffs of Villain with bottom and mid pair to get into 1:1 Chips, blinds 30/60 - Villain shoves quite frequent.
We down to 10BB, Villain shoves - we call with JTs into his A4s, flop comes ATXr, turn bricks, river is a beautiful J and we take it down the next hand with A3s vs atc.
Get hyped, the 5 digit train won't stop.
<3
Wen't out on Saturday with friends, partied until 8am and got to Fish Market Hamburg in the morning (basically curious tourists + remaining nightlifers meet up here to get coffee, beer, fish and a beautiful view in) and slept a whole lot on Sunday.
Played some MTTs on Sunday evening and some Spins, ended the day on -500.
Yesterday was my brothers birthday, got around 150 Spins for +250 in.
Today I had a 100 Spin Session - prepared for my upcoming chess match in 1 hour the last couple hours with a friend of mine.
Here's two beauties from todays session:
2nd place for 300
I play 30 50$ regular Spins everyday for the Leaderboard - got this one, first hand Villains AK<AA, so I get into Heads-Up 1:2 Chips.
Playing a bit on the tight side for 35 hands, get down to 400 chips, blinds 20/40 and we are on 10BB, so we widen it up a bit.
Manage to check call 2 bluffs of Villain with bottom and mid pair to get into 1:1 Chips, blinds 30/60 - Villain shoves quite frequent.
We down to 10BB, Villain shoves - we call with JTs into his A4s, flop comes ATXr, turn bricks, river is a beautiful J and we take it down the next hand with A3s vs atc.
Get hyped, the 5 digit train won't stop.
<3
08-23-2022
, 01:22 PM
No offence but have no idea how these are relevant to the fact you are running absurdly good atm. Your cev is roughly at 30 (based on the yearly graph) can't remember how much you need to make money in maxes but tbh that ain't that high. Gonna be one rough ride if that run stops at some point.
08-24-2022
, 01:02 PM