Thanks, didn't know that...bit sad, but I'm still relieved that I'm not completely blind...

Looks like you are crushing!
How do you adjust your ranges before the All-In-Mode?

I always thought the average itm for breakeven excluding rake was 33.33% at spin max. But I'm lazy and not so good at math, so was more of a guess. According to your chart it's lower than that on average, right? Would be good news for me if that's the case.

What do you think is the best parameter to track EV? I would think ITM combined with difference between chips ev and chips line is one of them

Following your thread, gl!

Comeback-Hype



Took several months off, organized two festivals (all under strict COVID-regulations), founded a sports club with 30 friends of mine and built quite the infrastructure for that.
Also I did two short holiday trips within Germany which were amazing.



Ready to crush, mind & body are rested 100%. Not the easiest question to answer: When two people are paid and three people are still in, you obviously don't want to be chip 3rd. Widening your range to a certain point is crucial. Depending on the level of play the other players will do the same, so it's a question of how much you know about them and what level you shove on. I won't go into much detail about my ranges for obvious reasons.

If you mean the avg. ITM chart of Spin & Go Max, then that's not == breakeven. If you talk about my personal results, then I might've been fortunate with the multipliers I hit or - and that is the case here - am placing 1st place a lot more often than 2nd and 3rd (if 3 places are paid that is). Obviously the more ITM, the better. But for breaking even you need to have very solid shortstack headsup.

Think Chip-EV pre Forced-All-In-Level tells most about your EV. Then again ITM tells something about how you situate yourself in the last couple hands pre All-In.

Thanks and GL! Cashout button does only appear at relatively high multipliers. The option only appears for finishing 1st place at purple felt or higher.


Will mix Hyper-MTTs, WCOOP & Spin-Max for the coming week and figure out what's to come after. Might go some months abroad soon or find a new apartment, 2020 is a wild year.

Played less than 15 tournaments this weekend, two trophies would've been to much to ask for, so we take this 2nd place instead.



Got on final table with 0.8BB and woke up with Rockets first hand!

Joining the SpinMax streets tomorrow.

I meant average for the field which is same as breakeven in a rakeless world. For example in normal spin & go it's 33.33%.

Basically I'm trying to figure out what is a decent ITM% overall spin max to beat the game

What do you think is an attainable winrate at the different levels of Spin & Go Max up till the $30 level? Have played a few hundred games at the 1$ levels and things are going pretty nice so far so interested to know for what winrate it would be beatable long term

Uff, that's tough to say because next to these ITM numbers:
8 Players: 26,86%
7 Players: 28,81%
6 Players: 33,93%
5 Players: 32,32%
4 Players: 33,22%
3 Players: 33,54%

you need to add the diversity of price pool % that can be found on the PS-Site. That might be a little to much work for me rn, sorry. Best guess: around 35-37%ish.

ITM: 40%
ROI: ~10%

Assumptions factor in my observations, the stats I took, the stats I acheive myself, knowing I don't play my A-game when playing more than 6 tables. About that topic: Germany restricts multitabling to 4 (!!!) tables come this thursday
So yeah, guess I'll join higher stakes quicker while only 4 tabling.

Tried out partypoker SnG-Leaderboard. That stuff is grindy and barely rewarding cause regfest is quite huge over there. I rather stick to my game over here with .3% Rakeback

Let's take 2020 a little more serious after almost half a year break

This thread is close to celebrating its 1 year birthday and I hope you'll provide us with a so/so comprehensive update of this year (poker-wise).

- Did it go as expected? Did you reach your goals?
- Has your ITM/ROI changed? Both over time but perhaps also in respect to buy-ins?
- The swings/variance that SnG max provides; how have you coped with that? It doesn't seems that you've had major downswings?

Lastly and purely from being curious; what was your original bankroll/deposit from the get go? It might be by design that you dont state that but I believe that a lot would find it interesting - if you care to share that as well.

All the best.

So it begins...

This has been a mixed year for me.
• I'm glad with the way I played, from 3$ to 60$ Spins Max. All beatable for me - pretty surely longterm aswell.
• I'm sad with how I started slacking since May - BIG TIME Lockdown, little poker boom, good results before & what do I do? I chill because I had good results for half a year and think I'm the king of the world. Utter garbage! Basically grinded half a year decent volume - nowhere near to maximum, but I enjoyed life aswell - so there's that.

I watched and read several motivational stuff. With sports being cancelled due to 'Rona I want to improve in several aspects:
a) Volume & Consistency. Rather go 4-5 days a week for the full grind (4-6 tables) instead of going 6 months for 6-7 days and 6 month 1 day
b) Fitness & Diet. Go out for a run or a bike tour every single day! Stop eating cookies for good. Be in a better shape with 30 (September '21) than I was with 25 (that's my feel-good zone).
c) Study & Post. One short daily update with the SPOT OF THE DAY - I'll mark whatever I feel I'm doing differently / not correctly / have no idea about. Then add weekly updates in the process and study / discuss the marked hands in this thread or via PM if anyone feels like that's cooler.
d) Future. This is mostly about living situation long-term and investing the money. I move in with my best friend for the next 1-2 years, after that I'll most likely acquire a Tiny House - if you have any suggestions, experiences: I'll gladly discuss or take in valuable information.


Today: 80 x 15$ Spins, +260$.

Week 1 goals:
[ ] Put in 4+ days of grinding 15s upwards for at least three hours a day.
[ ] Bike Tour or a run every single day.
[ ] No more cookies.
[ ] 1 post a day. - 1 weekly update every 7 days.
[ ] Study 10+ hands a week.


If I played, the results were >= expected. I can crush if I play.
Easiest by far were the 3$. Think 7s and 15s are equally tough. 30s has whales and crushers
ITM changed a bit, higher buy-ins -> players are more aware about bubble-play. BUT: I get more 1st places on the higher buy-ins. Guess some people need to grind HUSNG for a few years (So did I from when I was 18 to 22.) I'll be honest and did not save my files about 3s and 7s Spins but pretty sure my ROI in 3s>15s>7s>30s.

I had some 80-100 BI downswings, not in my grinding half of the year though. Swings CAN be brutal obviously. You can just run below ChipEV for a chunk and also hit all the bad multipliers - be it big or small. I'm in the fortunate situation to have a solid bankroll by now to deal with that rather well. I don't have to desperately make X every month to pay rent etc. but I like to earn more than I spend.

I started this challenge with 30 BIs on 3$, so 90$ - I'm comfortably rolled for 30s now but want to get in the zone via 15s for now and see what my hourly can be over there. Will move up to 30s eventually though.


Time to follow again - I'm rather hyped for the time to come

never knew you could beat spin max. Your results have been sick as hell. I myself am wondering about spin flash. (im a micro winner at normal spins) do you have any take on that? if you know anything about it. Either way i cant wait to see more awe some results.

Thanks for saying Hi!
Have no idea how many players actively beat this format, regs are really not so many than there were a few months ago - tons of players headed over to Partypoker for SnG leaderboards, maybe they think that is more consistent and/or profitable.
For Spin Flash you pretty surely need to be a solid winning player on normal Spins. And then it's basically - do you have the edge below 10BB? Then you can print avg. more on Flash I'd assume. Only played them for fun when not having enough time for Spin & Go Max, so less than 10 minutes.

[X] Did three and a bit hours of 4 tabling and playing them until finish before hitting 4 new ones.
[X] Solid walk for some time with a friend of mine.
[X] No more cookies - also no coffee but tons of tea.
[X] 1 post a day.
[ ] Study 10+ hands a week. 0/10.

80 Spins today, 20% ROI

Edit: Forgot to mark hands today - need to get that into my grind process. Hope to be posting Spot Of The Day tomorrow.

Hit stoploss after 3.5hours - the ones I won I hit the lowest. 110 Spins played, an ROI of -40% :x

Will go outside now as long as it's not entirely darkness.

Had a 3-day weekend.

100 Spins today, +15 BIs.

Already longest time without cookies since ages!

Tons of fresh air the last couple of days

Will keep playing 15$s for a bit, getting to know tendencies of the population and adjusting quickly, think I'm almost ready to crush. Last week ended with a bad session, but that's just Spins from time to time!

For the $ev...



Do I set it up that way to see the EV?

December

I started to learn programming via Visual Studio & Unity and loved it - for a while.
Did like 14hour programming every day for three weeks straight and built my own little round based strategy game - was fun but I missed the pokerz.

Middle of December I thought about 50/50'ing Poker and Developing but after a day or two I found out that I rather commit to one thing - thus back to the tables!

End of the year was very good to me (read: I played very well.) and the second best month of 2020 result-wise.

For the new year I want to establish myself as a top reg in the 30s and/or 60+ Spin & Go Max games. I started slowly to get into my comfort zone again after spending a week with friends and family (All within the legal Covid limitations of course!)


January 2nd: 97 Spins, 8.5$ Avg. BI, 24% ROI
January 3rd: 92 Spins, 11.3$ Avg. BI, 30% ROI
January 4th: 90 Spins, 13.6$ Avg. BI, 31% ROI

Let's hope this trend keeps being at least 2-figure-%-ROI as I increase my average Buy In the coming days.

I just started using my PokerTracker again - it does not track results reliably when it comes to $$$ won. I basically only use it for HUD and to keep track of my tournaments played. When it comes to EV stuff you might have to filter out the Blind Level of All-In-Mode (100/200) to make it somewhat useful? Also if I check how good/bad I ran I check per hands and not per tournaments.
tldr: I don't really track my Spin & Go Max results in PT, but simply do my Excel sheet pre-and post-session.

60 15$ Spins Hit & Run, 46% ROI w/o hitting anything larger than 6x.

Up 1.3k$ in four days - good start into the year!

Apart from programming I'm also getting into chess, 1400 ELO'ish, if anyone wants to play, hit me up.

Also looking forward to the release of Alpha 1 of Ashes of Creation (MMORPG, check it out if you haven't and are an MMO fan!) - have to earn some money before so I can dump an absurd amount of time into that.

Wrote a post-it so I actually start marking interesting hands for study & discussion. Will post some Spin-Hands in the coming days !

GL all!

100 Spins, 30% ROI, playing my A-Game so far this year.
(Slacking volume wise maybe, but right now it feels good to have winning days whenever I decide that it's enough.)

First Hand discussion we will have 2021:
1 place paid.



Are we able to get more information on the flop?
Do you guys fold pre with the pot odds we get?
One more bullet on the turn?

I think you played that hand fine Id play it the exact same way.
I don't like betting into the side pot just to try to fold out hands that could get there on the river

Been reading this thread since you created it. Awesome that you are still playing these.

120 Spins, 3k$ Buy Ins, from -1000$ to -10$, was a grindy ride today, losing day but managed to get out of the hole without doing anything stupid.

My back hurts like crazy - gotta get a new chair.

Here's to 4-figure-days soon.

Yesterday 150 Spins, lost 15 BIs, guess that 30% ROI is a little unrealistic longterm :x

Today 100 Spins, +20 BIs



What's the best play here?
Is K7o even call-worthy pre?

I found out, that I tend to autopilot after the first hour or so of 6-tabling - giving me WAY worse results. Thus I'll four table and play higher average stakes instead, I want to actively decide on every hand that's not 100% obvious how I play against certain players.
Pretty sure right now I would print more $$$ if sticking to 15s, but I want to improve and see what I'm capable of.




My 2 biggest spins this week, I didn't cash either - it's not all sunrunning after all!

Interesting blog, would like to talk to you as I am planning to play some Spin and Go Max as well. I had a few questions as I am planning to it mix with some Spin and Go on .fresh sites.
How are you calculating ur winrate. EV-bb/100 and CEV/100? There is some ICM at some spots as well which I assume is hard and even these have a huge variance as the last hands have a really big impact on it as well as the forced all-ins.
Any variance calculator for these like SwongSim because even tough I am used to flash and normal Spin and Go variance I think these can even be bigger almost at mtt level or even worse in variance terms. I feel like it is a softer metagame and easy to win pre-RB Would like to give it a try but so for 400 spinsmax at 50CEV (quite quite bad I assume) and -100 buy-ins down at 20s.

I read in Jared Tendler's Mental Game 2 about that and would advise you to take a ~10-15m break every hour. Just refresh the mind and boom.

Follow, i'm trying to do the same in ps.it, can't wait for new updates!
GL and stay strong

subbed Gl op!