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09-13-2014 , 01:41 PM
Sometimes making the step up needs a couple of attempts, I'm sure you will get there!
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09-14-2014 , 08:01 AM
Yeah true. I have to make back more 7buy ins so I can shot again.. but wtf I had party thursday and still not in my zone, eating is ****ed up, gym schedule ****ed up and grinding too I'm like ~24k hands behind my schedule dno if I can catch up but I learned a lesson.. if u get in ur zone and all works well dont go partying it **** everything up period...
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09-14-2014 , 08:30 AM
Okay guys I have one question for yall...

Like you see I beat nl5 with solid winrate imo.. 5.5bb in zoom is pretty good.. so should I just depo that 30€ more and start playing nl10 right away or should I grind it back in nl5... I proved myself that I can beat nl5 but before I started this challenge I made myself rules that I won't depo more money and if I fail with my shots I just grind it back in lower limit and then shot again but... it looks like time waste I already know that I can beat lower limit with no problem so now I have 2 options:

A) Grind nl5 til I get back to 300$ and shot nl10 again (can take up to who knows how many hands.. if I might hit like -10downer etc It might take a week or it might take 1-2 days or maybe 1 session who knows

B) Just depo 35$ and start shoting nl10 right now, if I will succeed with this shot I won't waste days or even a week grinding nl5 and I can cash out my 35$ if I win like 3-4bi in nl10..

It's hard decision because I think like I'm cheatin with myself when I just deposit and play nl10 but it really looks like smarter idea than just grind like 20k hands nl5 again


what yall think?
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09-14-2014 , 08:52 AM
I think that it feels better when your a 5kNL reg to say that you haven´t deposited more than the original deposit but you know if you need the money alot I think it´s pretty clear that you will be a 10NL winner.
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09-14-2014 , 09:04 AM
Well I can't say that I never deposited more than original deposit cuz I've played ~4 years on and off starting from nl4, beating nl10 for 3bb/100 back in the days in ongame then switched to stars played nl25 lost in total maybe 1k$ then played some nl50 lost some win some, played some nl100-nl500z with like half buy in or 1-2 buy ins one day I went like from 3k to 60$ then played Hyper turbos 60$->3.5k and some 500z and got back to 4.5k then cashed out some played 200z 100z lost played 50z and hit downswing etc. In total of all my 4 years with live/online I think I'm kinda breakeven or maybe little winner or little loser so I decided I don't beat any limit I played with tilt, bad brm etc and cashed out my ~400$ I had left and left only 50$ on account and started from nl2 to make sure I will beat all limits on the way to top not just hop from nl50 to nl500 etc... and now Im beating nl5 so my next goal is nl10 but still not sure should I depo 35$ and go to nl10 or never ever depo again and work my way to the top from real bottom (50$)
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09-14-2014 , 10:57 AM
I mean't this challenge

And nice poker journey btw
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09-14-2014 , 11:14 AM
Ty^^

I might depo 35$ and play some nl10 today and if I win ~4bi I cash out or if I lose again 5bi then make it back in nl5 cuz there's really no point grinding nl5 better move up as fast as I can. I think I even climb stakes too nitty for so low levels but all my life played 10-20bi so it's better for my mindset + zoom is really swingy and winrates are lower than in reg tables. so yeah gonna play some 10z later today and hopefully going to stay at that limit or if not I can grind easily nl5 again.
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09-16-2014 , 10:07 AM
Ok, I kept playing nl10 cuz I just thought it's so pointless to go back to nl5 stakes are so low and I know I beat 5 so I can depo more if I drop down or something and better just grind 10.. 5 would be time waste. atm I'm ~10k hands -11bi @ nl10 but I had 22bi downswing now climbing back up. games are good something like nl5 maybe more nittier postflop but nothing hard really just all the time vs fish top range and vs regs top range so can't do nothing but I'm getting it back.

Also still out of my zone, I don't even try to play 180k hands this month, probably end up playing ~150k or something. and got mini injury from football so cant go to gym tomorrow smh...

going to post graph someday when I get out of that downswing (I hate to post graphs when I lose like 4 days straight lol)

Best version would be if I could shot nl25 at the end of the month.
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09-17-2014 , 06:30 AM
Havent played much around 11.5k hands -16bi but its nothing too sick just variance.. but I think I quit playing zoom and I start to play 8-12 reg tables instead.. I can achieve same 1k hands per hours when I use to reg tables again plus I can table select, take notes and winrates are bigger than in zoom so yeah I think it's more +EV in longterm. zoom is fun but I should think about max EV where my winrates would be biggest so switching to reg tables is good idea I think
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09-17-2014 , 10:35 AM
Played very mini sess with 6 reg tables and let's be honest I dont like reg tables as much as I like zoom... it's just so good and easy to click 3 buttons and I'm getting 1k hands per hour, fk this **** I stay with zoom dont care about bigger variance lower winrate, I like it more so it's more EV for my mindset than reg tables atm.
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09-17-2014 , 09:26 PM
day 12-17 graph:




cant win a hand dunno whats the problem I should beat nl10 if I beat nl5 5.5bb/100 EV so wtf... I think I play bad too + ultra bad run 2x flush vs flush today, set vs set, KK vs AA everybody always call all my bluffs and fold everytime I have solid hand on flop sick bad run i guess. I just depo more and keep playing nl10 til I start winning or have 300k sample size...
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09-18-2014 , 07:55 PM
Still running extremely cold imo. around 21k hands and still -216$. You know these days when you are thinking maybe winning 60k hands @ nl5 was just heater, maybe I dont beat this limit etc these kinds of thoughts in my head all day.. I wonder how long my run will continue? I've heard about all kinds of BE/losing stretches even over 100k hands etc but is it really possible in nl10 too?

going to sleep and insta start playing when I wake up, need to get out of this hole asap.
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09-18-2014 , 08:06 PM
I feel ya, Coolerville is tough =(

Post some hands and keep grinding through it!
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09-18-2014 , 08:24 PM
Not going to lie but based on your graph I think you have some pretty major leaks in your game and it's not variance...you're running above EV
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09-19-2014 , 05:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcidDrop
Not going to lie but based on your graph I think you have some pretty major leaks in your game and it's not variance...you're running above EV
Dude u must be magician, I run 2bi over EV now yes, but the graph shows that I run 1.6bi under EV :P(I've played more 6k hands for now) and about them leaks: "Bitch I might have" *with my gucci mane voice* but I really think it's nothing serious YET, 21k hands in zoom is no sample at all, if my graph is same after like 150k hands I might start to worry.. I see alot of fishes in zoom 10 but I just cant get any hands vs them. and if I crush nl5 I don't see why I shouldnt beat nl10 it's not so big difference rly.

I would like to post some hands but I traded my omaha tracker for hem2 and my friend forgot to give me email and pw so I can't get hand history out of hem2 without email and pw(have to log in or smth) and can't post any hands but i'm going to fix it soon.

And now starting to grind. All I need is just one +10bi day and I would feel 10x better
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09-19-2014 , 05:30 AM
Ok I just asked him for pw and mail so I can add few hands.



1) now reviewing it im not sure about anything, i dont think I can fold set in nl10 no matter what.


    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $10.70 (107 bb)
    BB: $21.96 (219.6 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $12.13 (121.3 bb)
    MP: $18.71 (187.1 bb)
    CO: $23.21 (232.1 bb)
    BTN: $13.15 (131.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2 2
    Hero raises to $0.40, MP folds, CO calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, 2 folds

    Flop: ($1.35) 6 Q 2 (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.96, CO calls $0.96, BTN folds

    Turn: ($3.27) 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets $2.34, CO raises to $6.24, Hero raises to $10.77, CO calls $4.53

    River: ($24.81) 4 (2 players)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $24.81 pot ($1.12 rake)
    Final Board: 6 Q 2 3 4
    Hero showed 2 2 and lost (-$12.13 net)
    CO showed 6 6 and won $23.69 ($11.56 net)


    2) I bet too high turn should have bet less I think? not sure about it tho, cant fold anymore vs that shove...


      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $10.52 (105.2 bb)
      BB: $12.03 (120.3 bb)
      UTG: $12.21 (122.1 bb)
      Hero (MP): $20.95 (209.5 bb)
      CO: $10 (100 bb)
      BTN: $11.61 (116.1 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with Q A
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO raises to $0.80, BTN folds, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.70, Hero calls $0.50

      Flop: ($3.20) 3 T 7 (4 players)
      SB bets $1.50, BB folds, Hero calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50

      Turn: ($7.70) 8 (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $4.80, CO raises to $7.70 and is all-in, SB folds, Hero calls $2.90

      River: ($23.10) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $23.10 pot ($1.04 rake)
      Final Board: 3 T 7 8 K
      SB mucked and lost (-$2.30 net)
      Hero showed Q A and lost (-$10 net)
      CO showed 9 J and won $22.06 ($12.06 net)


      3) standard

        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        SB: $26.78 (267.8 bb)
        Hero (BB): $11.93 (119.3 bb)
        UTG: $10.19 (101.9 bb)
        MP: $10.09 (100.9 bb)
        CO: $15.33 (153.3 bb)
        BTN: $16.78 (167.8 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with J A
        4 folds, SB raises to $0.25, Hero calls $0.15

        Flop: ($0.50) T 4 Q (2 players)
        SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

        Turn: ($1.10) K (2 players)
        SB bets $0.65, Hero raises to $1.90, SB calls $1.25

        River: ($4.90) Q (2 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $3.51, SB calls $3.51

        Spoiler:
        Results: $11.92 pot ($0.54 rake)
        Final Board: T 4 Q K Q
        SB showed 4 4 and won $11.38 ($5.42 net)
        Hero showed J A and lost (-$5.96 net)


        5) should I find fold here????

          Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          SB: $18.89 (188.9 bb)
          BB: $10 (100 bb)
          Hero (UTG): $10 (100 bb)
          MP: $10 (100 bb)
          CO: $8.93 (89.3 bb)
          BTN: $10 (100 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q Q
          Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BTN raises to $1.35, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.95

          Flop: ($2.85) T 2 4 (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $2.04, Hero calls $2.04

          Turn: ($6.93) 4 (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $3.40, Hero calls $3.40

          River: ($13.73) T (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $3.21 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.21 and is all-in

          Spoiler:
          Results: $20.15 pot ($0.91 rake)
          Final Board: T 2 4 4 T
          Hero showed Q Q and lost (-$10 net)
          BTN showed K A and won $19.24 ($9.24 net)


          6) standard


            Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

            Hero (SB): $13.29 (132.9 bb)
            BB: $5 (50 bb)
            UTG: $24.05 (240.5 bb)
            MP: $12.72 (127.2 bb)
            CO: $8.41 (84.1 bb)
            BTN: $20.31 (203.1 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is SB with K T
            3 folds, BTN raises to $0.35, Hero calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25

            Flop: ($1.05) 2 J 7 (3 players)
            Hero checks, BB checks, BTN checks

            Turn: ($1.05) 4 (3 players)
            Hero bets $0.75, BB folds, BTN calls $0.75

            River: ($2.55) 3 (2 players)
            Hero checks, BTN bets $1.20, Hero raises to $4.83, BTN raises to $19.21, Hero calls $7.36 and is all-in

            Spoiler:
            Results: $26.93 pot ($1.21 rake)
            Final Board: 2 J 7 4 3
            Hero showed K T and lost (-$13.29 net)
            BTN showed 5 A and won $25.72 ($12.43 net)


            7) Let's be honest when I would have played my A game I might have fold there, I remember them regs where both kinda tight..


              Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

              SB: $10.40 (104 bb)
              BB: $14.74 (147.4 bb)
              UTG: $14.70 (147 bb)
              MP: $12.22 (122.2 bb)
              CO: $16.67 (166.7 bb)
              Hero (BTN): $12.83 (128.3 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
              UTG raises to $0.30, MP folds, CO calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.35, SB folds, BB raises to $3, UTG raises to $14.70, CO folds, Hero calls $11.48 and is all-in, BB folds

              Flop: ($29.01) 9 T T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
              Turn: ($29.01) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
              River: ($29.01) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

              Spoiler:
              Results: $29.01 pot ($1.31 rake)
              Final Board: 9 T T 2 Q
              UTG showed A A and won $27.70 ($14.87 net)
              Hero showed K K and lost (-$12.83 net)


              8) standard

                Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                SB: $7.38 (73.8 bb)
                BB: $8.42 (84.2 bb)
                UTG: $7.99 (79.9 bb)
                Hero (MP): $14.55 (145.5 bb)
                CO: $13.07 (130.7 bb)
                BTN: $12.76 (127.6 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is MP with 9 Q
                UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, CO folds, BTN calls $0.45, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.35

                Flop: ($1.50) 6 2 J (3 players)
                UTG bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40, BTN calls $1.40

                Turn: ($5.70) 4 (3 players)
                UTG bets $5.40, Hero calls $5.40, BTN raises to $10.80, UTG calls $0.74 and is all-in, Hero raises to $12.70 and is all-in, BTN calls $0.11 and is all-in

                River: ($33.66) 8 (3 players, 3 are all-in)

                Spoiler:
                Results: $33.66 pot ($1.50 rake)
                Final Board: 6 2 J 4 8
                UTG showed 2 2 and lost (-$7.99 net)
                Hero showed 9 Q and won $0.00 (-$12.76 net)
                BTN showed K T and won $32.16 ($19.40 net)


                9) standard

                  Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                  SB: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
                  BB: $10.67 (106.7 bb)
                  Hero (UTG): $13.21 (132.1 bb)
                  MP: $15.84 (158.4 bb)
                  CO: $11.27 (112.7 bb)
                  BTN: $10 (100 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is UTG with J J
                  Hero raises to $0.40, MP folds, CO calls $0.40, BTN folds, SB calls $0.35, BB folds

                  Flop: ($1.30) 5 7 J (3 players)
                  SB checks, Hero bets $0.93, CO raises to $2.60, SB folds, Hero raises to $4.27, CO calls $1.67

                  Turn: ($9.84) Q (2 players)
                  Hero bets $8.54, CO calls $6.60 and is all-in

                  River: ($23.04) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                  Spoiler:
                  Results: $23.04 pot ($1.04 rake)
                  Final Board: 5 7 J Q K
                  Hero showed J J and won $0.00 (-$11.27 net)
                  CO showed 9 8 and won $22 ($10.73 net)
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                  09-19-2014 , 09:11 AM
                  Busto. close thread, banned myself from everything but 0.01/0.02 wont play long time. this game is just not for me couldnt handle it -25bi @nl10 with 25k hands so started to open shove every hand til busted my acc. ridicilous how I beat nl5 5.5bb/100 and cant win a pot in nl10. cant take it emotionally, i will never be a poker player.
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                  09-19-2014 , 09:14 AM
                  Emotional control is everything. I think everyone has it in them technically to beat the game but you need to have your head on right to do it. All the best with the break and when you come back be in the right frame of mind and move down if you're uncomfortable.
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                  09-19-2014 , 09:54 AM
                  Sad to hear.. yea, u shld def locked ur limits to nl2 for the time being(thats what i did). Also taking a break now will help alot. Hope to see a revival soon!
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