Well here is how I would have played the hand and you can tell me if im stupid and why, and if hose reason are specific only to the climate of games at ipoker or in general anywhere...

First i probably would have folded A9 depending on how previous hands have been going (like how many hands have I been raising, am I bullying th etable, are people maybe tilting on me and getting sick of me and waiting to call me... I just don't think A9 suited is a great hand to go into in the BB with an UTG raise and 2 calls, but again I don't know what the betting habits of the people at the table had been up to that point, so maybe I would have gone in..

But let's say I did call and I'm in the hand. I probably would have raised half the pot to see who's calling and what i think those players would have given what i know about them, and if I thought the raise would be believable to everyone depending on my image. I'd hope the Co and Sb would fold at least and I'd definitely just pot bet the turn considering a c/f or c/raise on river (again which I'd go with is depending on the villains past tendencies if he's been there long enough to pick up on anything, If he hasn't been there long I'd just dump it).

It's ok to fold A9s, but it's ok to call (or even squeeze). If you're a loose player, these are the spots you don't fold pf.

I'm trying to not be rude, but you really need to think in terms of ranges instead.

And this:

Is just not a good reason to raise.

WHAT do you think they will fold to a raise? Is there anyway other way the might fold those hands?

I dont think you're being remotely rude at all, i know some people think anytime you dont agree with their decisions that youre being rude though because people cant handle criticism.

I'd have attempted to limp in with A9s only because thats just something I personally like to do is try and fly under the radar with A high flush draws whenever possible.

I like to attempt to play loose but I like doing so with a tight table image at least, I like to change up what I do through the actual match and not only play one way. Tight for a while, then loosen up, then turtle up again when i think people may be on to me or starting to fight back.

I see what you're saying about ranges and I do think about ranges when i play but it's not really only in terms of what people typically *should* be playing from a certain position but also what i think they would play based on what theyve been showing to have played in those positions. As for what I think a given villain may fold, well that's hard to say since you don't get to see mucked hands. How do YOU figure what a given villain will fold?

I'm not really sure what you're saying here? It's hard to asses their ranges because they sometimes play different hands than you think?

Well, first I make up the villains PF range, and then I make up his flop continuation range, and thanks to that, I can find his flop folding range.

In this case, his PF range is gonna look like AJ+, ATs+, KJs+, KQ, all PPs, with a few SCs mixed in. He also cbetted into 4 ppl, so we can probably cut away alot of his weak hands, togehter with hands like QQ/JJ that he'd check back on this flop.

So, out of his cbetting range, the hands that he folds to a check/raise are very small PPs (so small that he doesn't think they have enough SD value to be checked back, ie worse than 88 or something), and high unmatched cards.

But, all those hands fold anyway, if we bet on any street. No need to check/raise and therefore get all-in with ~35%.

Hope this clarifies.

Yes , but I dont mean hard really, I mean if you know youre playing with even a semi competent player, you can assume theyre playing with standard hands in the appropriate positions, but sometimes people can play a bit differently of course and just decide to go in with something completely off from what they usually go in with just for the sake of confusion and trying to fly in under the radar when the flop is all low cards (which he may have decided then tog o in with) and you'd think that he would never do that.

When making up the ranges are you keeping manual notes or is there software that you can use to keep track?

nice thread OP i did pretty much same thing as you. Started Jan 1st, 2010 with a 25 dollar deposit on Bodog, currently @ nl100 with about 5k roll. Goal is to have 10 grand in my acct by end of summer (july 31st).

1. It doesn't really matter if they mix in the occasional 45s, it's not like we're gonna stack off on a K45 flop anyway. To be completely honest, it's probably good if he plays small suited cards, since we always make the nut flush.

2. I use Poker Tracker and look at the % they open from each position (you can then stove that % into Pokerstove and look at his range), but really, almost all regs open that range from UTG so it's not like I really need those stats anyway.

nice. SN? Site?

Just be ware, variance will inevitably strike some day. Be prepared.

hey

how much u got now on bankroll ?

gl !

like 18k

Just finished reading, fantastic thread! Your hand analysis is extremely helpful (especially the KJs explanation against the 10knl reg a few pages back); please keep posting!

Good luck @ the tables

thanks I'm prolly giving out too much info for free though

almost certainly... you really should consider coaching (although you keep saying you wouldn't be good @ it).

Just thinking in terms of your thread title.'i'm gona play nosebleeds'.
What exactly do you think will have to change for you to compete at nosebleeds?

I ask this because, how you seem to think about poker seems to me like a very 'rigid' (for want of a bettor word) range based thinking.
i think its fine and definatley smart to think in terms of ranges but the problem for you could come later at higher stakes whare the regs in those games Religion is 'Balance'.

When playing against some of the best nosebleeders, being 'rigid' in your thinking about ranges can be really exploitable.
ie, assuming durrrr cant have AK in a certain spot because he didnt 3bet pre, or that he cant have flopped a FD in a 3bet pot because he checked it back .
Theese players want you to think as you do vrs them, thats how they win so much against shot takers.
There priority is to have the widest ranges possible in all spots ,to cause you the most pain and keep you guessing and force mistakes from you.
In a way you cant outguess their range but rather need to protect you own ranges bettor then they do, which is the secret to beating them , but its not much of a secret at all ,its just really tough.
I hope you get there ,and I hope you figure it out.
Most of all ,when you get there I hope you are balanced and protect all ranges well
.Because if not ,it could get ugly. Gl sir

Firar of all, very good post. I just started playing the kind of people that know how to protect Their ranges before i was forced to move down in february.

But yeah, its True that i have to change My game alot when i reach the highest stakes. So why am i not playing like i should play in nosebleeds now?

Well thats because in NOT sitting at à table With 5 durrrs. I can make big generalisations and assumptions and get away with it! Thats the beauty of midstakes, everyone knows how to play certain hands in certain situations, and they rArely deviate from that. So figure out how they play those hands and exploit it. So im just playing as i can vs these specific opponents.

But am I not afraid of the time i meet someone that can protect his ranges?

No, I cant Wait. Might seem strange to some of you that i cant wait until i meet someone that Will almost certinly take tens of thousands of $$ from me, but i just see it as à challange. I dont care about the money. Its à chance for me to show what im really made of, a chance to step up My game. To reach the top. Its not going to be pritty, and its certinly not going to be easy. But hopefully ill come out on top

Lycka till!

Subscribed and will follow.

good attitude for attacking the higher stakes

Dont get me wrong ,I think you are playing/thinking exactly how you should be vrs these regs your playing.(some of the problems I have is fps vrs super standard players)I do this because, like you I dont have the roll to challenge the best, and get prety board playing vrs robots.
The 6max deepstack games on Stars ,certainly allow me to take more creative lines,so usually when i feel some fps coming on il jump from HU to them.(I know you dont have that option atm)
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Looks like your ready for the challenge higher stakes pose, and know what to expect.

This is a great blog, keep it up.

wow very impressive, gl looks like you'll get to the nosebleeds soon enough

Played like 500 hands today, and won 500$

Biggest winning hand:

iPoker - $2 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $226.00
BTN: $342.85
SB: $212.00
BB: $200.00
UTG: $67.05
Hero (MP): $314.95

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has 2 2

fold, Hero raises to $6.00, fold, BTN calls $6.00, fold, BB calls $4.00

Flop: ($19.00, 3 players) 4 9 2
BB checks, Hero bets $12.00, BTN calls $12.00, BB calls $12.00

Turn: ($55.00, 3 players) 9
BB checks, Hero bets $34.00, BTN calls $34.00, fold

River: ($123.00, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets $61.50, Hero raises to $262.95, BTN calls $201.45

BTN shows J K (Flush, Ace High)
Hero shows 2 2 (Full House, Twos full of Nines)
Hero wins $645.90




Biggest losing hand (just ****ing ridicilous):


iPoker - $2 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $267.65
BB: $186.00
UTG: $200.00
MP: $225.00
CO: $60.00
Hero (BTN): $234.25

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has J J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $6.00, fold, BB raises to $19.00, Hero raises to $45.00, BB calls $26.00

Flop: ($91.00, 2 players) 3 4 7
BB checks, Hero bets $41.00, BB raises to $141.00, Hero calls $100.00

Turn: ($373.00, 2 players) A

River: ($373.00, 2 players) K

BB shows 3 3 (Three of a Kind, Threes)
BB wins $370.00



Roll is 18.5k now. I started this month at 19.5k, so 1k$ more, then I'm back to even

not so ridiculous when you think about it since he is doing the same thing you did in your biggest winning hand you posted along with that one

Hey dude, post some graphs, HH-s are tl;dr.

So much work with graphs... have to upload them and ****...

Not rly.......

gl sir, I believe you! just dont try learn omahahahhahaaa....