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I suck at PLO... But it's about to change... I suck at PLO... But it's about to change...

11-22-2014 , 07:00 AM
Hello 2p2 community,

Few days ago I have started my last attempt to achieve success in game of poker (more specifically PLO 6 max). All my previous attempts has ended with failure, but that's history and now its time to concentrate on the present and the future.

Who am I?

It doesn't matter who I am, what matter is my plan

Plan is very simple first off all I have to work a lot on conscious playing so I don't just sat there in front of my PC and click the buttons in hope for a miracle to happen. Secondary I have to concentrate on understanding the game techniques and what most important on my self discipline.
I have to stay focused and avoid tilting because tilt was the cause of my previous failures.

I have started from playing on PLO5 with 50 BI BR and I will move up in stakes when I will 100% sure that I'm ready for it (that's why you should prepare yourselves for a long, long, long thread).
Because I have a full time job and recently I have became a father I have only 2-3 hours for poker each day except of Sunday which I is 100% family day.

At the moment I'm following the new KasinoKrime video series on DC called Core PLO Concepts which I hope will help me in building a strong fundamental knowledge about the game.

I also believe that there is a lot of smart and successful people here on 2p2 that will be kind enough to share a little bit of their knowledge so I can become a better poker player.

Greets and see you at the table.

PS.
My English is really rusty so please forgive me all the errors.
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11-23-2014 , 02:46 PM
Yesterday I have played over 4h session which did not went exactly how I was imagine it. Almost through all session I was more or less behind. Fortunately at the last 250 hands something clicked and I have managed to get the score a little bit above the break even point.

Except of that I have managed to unlock 5$ reload bonus from P* so overall I was $6,53 up.

Before I will go to sleep today I'm planning to watch again whole 3 episodes of Core PLO Concepts and tomorrow I will attack again.

Here is my Graph for the yesterday's session:

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11-24-2014 , 05:21 PM
2 more session behind me both played today. There is a thing that occurs every session and its really pisses me off. Its the fact that always at the beginning of the session I'm playing loose C game and when I loose a BI or 2 then I'm starting to tighten up and start to win. The worst is that I know about the problem but have a hard time to eliminate it (any good ideas to get rid of that bad habit?).

Graphs from both session:





In total for those two I'm $12,95 up.
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11-24-2014 , 09:10 PM
Yes, start your sessions with a routine, always the same possibly, something that gets your mind focused on the game. This could be studying/going through hands from last session or making coffee etc. whatever works for you.

Good luck with the challenge!
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11-25-2014 , 03:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pg9
This could be studying/going through hands from last session
I was always analyse the HH after i finish the session but it might be a very good Idea to use that as a starter for a good mind set before i will start a new session.

Thanks for good advice .
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11-25-2014 , 05:50 PM
gl
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11-25-2014 , 07:23 PM
Today I have learned a really important thing which is the fact that you should never try to experiment with the table view during the session only because you read that stacked tables are better than tiled while multi tabling. The beginning of the graph from my latest session is the proof for that (hehehehe). After a 270 hands I have got my self back to the previous setup and rebuild the stacks.

If you look at my graph there is a interesting spot where the EV line swap place with the Net Won line. It was kind off suck out by me but while I was playing it I was sure that I'm making the right decision. you can see that hand bellow the graph.

Here is the graph from todays session:



Here is the hand that I had mentioned before. So the villain was the guy that I had previous history with and one thing I knew that when he is 3 betting or 4 betting almost 100% he got AA**. On the flop I was thinking that we have the similar hands thats why I decided to stack-off there. I guess it wasn't too smart because I was way behind in that spot but fortunately for me the luck was on my side.

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32935412

    Hero (BTN): $11.53 (230.6 bb)
    SB: $7.88 (157.6 bb)
    BB: $2.48 (49.6 bb)
    UTG: $9.06 (181.2 bb)
    MP: $4.93 (98.6 bb)
    CO: $4.40 (88 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A J A T
    UTG raises to $0.17, MP folds, CO calls $0.17, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, UTG raises to $2.49, CO folds, Hero calls $1.74

    Flop: ($5.22) 2 5 K (2 players)
    UTG bets $2.60, Hero raises to $9.04 and is all-in, UTG calls $3.97 and is all-in

    Turn: ($18.36) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($18.36) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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    11-25-2014 , 07:24 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by peez88
    gl
    THX
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    11-26-2014 , 07:44 PM
    Today's session was probably the worst one that I have played since the start of my challenge. It's because of the fact that again I haven't control my emotion and after a huge hand that I lost I have tilted for some time. The worst thing is that the bad emotions just totally clouded my judgement. Here is the hand I have tilted on.

      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32955282

      BTN: $6.80 (136 bb)
      SB: $2.95 (59 bb)
      BB: $29.21 (584.2 bb)
      UTG: $1.90 (38 bb)
      Hero (MP): $18.44 (368.8 bb)
      CO: $5.18 (103.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with 9 Q 9 Q
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, BB raises to $0.47, Hero calls $0.32

      Flop: ($0.96) Q 3 T (2 players)
      BB bets $0.92, Hero raises to $3.50, BB calls $2.58

      Turn: ($7.96) 8 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $6.75, BB calls $6.75

      River: ($21.46) A (2 players)
      BB bets $10.31, Hero calls $7.72




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      It's so obvious that the river Ace was his nut-card but I still decided to call the river which was so terrible. After that I was steaming for a few min but eventually I have got my self back on the tracks and I had undo the losses. Never the less my demons got me again fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*k .

      I'm also worried about my EV line which goes in the opposite way than the Net Won line... If I got it right it means that Im making a lot of bad decisions? I'm trying to analyze every hand as best as I can to make a good decision but can it be that most of the time I just play bad? Ofcourse and the most important is what can I do to change that trend.

      Here is the graph from today:



      Total winning with $5 bonus from P* - $11,73
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      11-29-2014 , 07:35 AM
      lately I had 2 really bad session which in total I have lost about 8 BI . I'm still 6 Bi above my starting point but its all because of P* bonus. I have to take a break and think about my strategy and what's most Important is to take a close look at my HH and find what I'm doing wrong.

      There are also some good news. Yesterday I had achieved a gold star status which means that today I will going to play a 100K freeroll. I haven't played holdem for a long time but I feel really optimistic about it so keep the fingers crossed.

      Later on I will post my overall graph. Right now I'm at work so I don't have the access to my HM.
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      11-29-2014 , 09:26 AM
      Hey! I wouldn't worry too much about the EV line for now. I've seen a lot of people posting graphs with way different ev lines than their results.

      Also for that AJAT hand i donmt see why you're not just shoving preflop since you're given the opportunity. You're both pretty deep and have the nut AA, if you think he'd only 3b/4b with AA then you'll gii anyways, and in many cases at these low stakes players gii preflop with really weird hands that i can't logically explain lol. Flop play is standard, but imagine if the flop had come super wet and connected, then you probably wouldn't be so eager about your hand anymore.

      For the last QQ99ss hand. It's not the worst played hand tbh. But i think you do have the option of playing the flop much safer. The flop comes with a straight draw that is definitely in his range, so when an 8 comes then that conpletes one of hos draws and even though you got blockers you could still continue playing passive. Then once again just call that river, playing the hand in this manner would help you to pot control a lot more and probably prevent you from losing a huge pot when you're so deep. I guess he jad KJ of hearts given the way you complained about this hand and it played out?

      How many tables do you usually play?
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      11-29-2014 , 01:50 PM
      Quote:
      For the last QQ99ss hand. It's not the worst played hand tbh. But i think you do have the option of playing the flop much safer. The flop comes with a straight draw that is definitely in his range, so when an 8 comes then that conpletes one of hos draws and even though you got blockers you could still continue playing passive. Then once again just call that river, playing the hand in this manner would help you to pot control a lot more and probably prevent you from losing a huge pot when you're so deep. I guess he jad KJ of hearts given the way you complained about this hand and it played out?
      He had KhJc TsTc, when the 8 came I was pretty sure that Im still safe there because after i 3b him on the flop he would bet the turn if he would hit the straight I guess. I should play more passively and for sure not to call the river the thing is that I have a tilt problem and thats exactly what happened there. I have to learn on my mistakes.

      Quote:
      How many tables do you usually play?
      Usually 2 PLO ZOOM tables but from now and then I'm trying to add one or two more but it usually end up with making a bad decisions because of the speed. So for now Im trying to stay with 2.
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      11-29-2014 , 03:38 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by 2good2bebeat
      He had KhJc TsTc, when the 8 came I was pretty sure that Im still safe there because after i 3b him on the flop he would bet the turn if he would hit the straight I guess. I should play more passively and for sure not to call the river the thing is that I have a tilt problem and thats exactly what happened there. I have to learn on my mistakes.
      Weird play by the other guys, I would've just shoved given you raised. Mid set with an open ender is a great hand. Even against your hand there he had 28% equity, which isn't horrible and I'd expect raises from a much wider range than just top set. Then if he thinks he's beat on the Turn he should just fold here, his general play of the hand was terrible.

      I don't think you have much reason to tilt from this hand tbh.
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      11-29-2014 , 09:06 PM
      Quick update from my latest session:



      I have also unlocked another $5 bonus from P* and I got myself back on track with the progress.

      One advice for the people that about to tilt: stop playing, eat something and get your mindset up and running then get back to the tables and destroy everyone. Personally tested and it works

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Xptboy
      Weird play by the other guys, I would've just shoved given you raised. Mid set with an open ender is a great hand. Even against your hand there he had 28% equity, which isn't horrible and I'd expect raises from a much wider range than just top set. Then if he thinks he's beat on the Turn he should just fold here, his general play of the hand was terrible.

      I don't think you have much reason to tilt from this hand tbh.
      THX for the constructive analyse.
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      12-03-2014 , 05:34 AM
      Lately I have had a string of bad beats and losing sessions it all lead to serious meltdown and TILT attack which left me with minus 100$. I have to thing about my game plan because I feel that without a serious changes I will be broke in no time.

      First thing I was thinking about was either changing the Poker Room from PS to a smaller one where I will get a rakeback deal or just stop to play Zoom and move to a regular tables. I don't know why but playing Zoom is really comfortable because of the quick fold option but from other hand the variance is very big and I have a big problems to finish my session with positive results.

      When I read the the stories of other people I think that I'm missing something in the game. Everyone seems to win a lot every time they sit to a session. Reading about the 10 or 20 BI won in one session is just seems so unreal to me because I have to struggle to win 1 BI over a 3k hands. Maybe I'm just bad and I don't want to admit that.

      It would be nice if any of you guys had some valuable advice for me.

      Right now I have left with 200$ and a few decision to make.

      Should I change the poker room?
      If I stay on PS should I play Zoom or just move to a regular tables?
      Should I move down to a PLO 2 or stay on PLO 5?

      I know that my problems might look very trivial but I feel that without a good advice I will still make the same mistakes and I don't want that.

      I really count on your wisdom guys
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      12-03-2014 , 08:01 AM
      Hi,

      some suggestions from my side:

      - play max 4 tables and focus on improving (later 6 since plo is slower then nl)
      - read/watch books and videos (Runitonce is just $10 per month for essential package)
      - post hands and answer posted hands
      - plo = VARIANCE (accept it and focus on improving, make a checklist in excel or in a noteboook, where you write down after each season in how many pots you won when you were a favorite) (often people think they run bad, while they were actually just running hot before)
      - enjoy life, poker is just a game and with $200 it can't be serious business
      - rake at PS is lower compared to other sites and its just as rigged or not (so imo theres no need to switch, cause you will always find plenty of tables to choose from)
      - don't play zoom, its good when you have a really solid game, which is unlikely when you play plo5
      - theres a new plo book out there. Its from 2 online grinders, I ordered it. I dont think it hurts to read it
      - theres no secret, just keep calm and move on (focus on playing your best)

      Cheers,
      Finja
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      12-03-2014 , 09:03 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Finja
      Hi,

      some suggestions from my side:

      - play max 4 tables and focus on improving (later 6 since plo is slower then nl)
      - read/watch books and videos (Runitonce is just $10 per month for essential package)
      - post hands and answer posted hands
      - plo = VARIANCE (accept it and focus on improving, make a checklist in excel or in a noteboook, where you write down after each season in how many pots you won when you were a favorite) (often people think they run bad, while they were actually just running hot before)
      - enjoy life, poker is just a game and with $200 it can't be serious business
      - rake at PS is lower compared to other sites and its just as rigged or not (so imo theres no need to switch, cause you will always find plenty of tables to choose from)
      - don't play zoom, its good when you have a really solid game, which is unlikely when you play plo5
      - theres a new plo book out there. Its from 2 online grinders, I ordered it. I dont think it hurts to read it
      - theres no secret, just keep calm and move on (focus on playing your best)

      Cheers,
      Finja
      Thanks for the quick respond.

      - For last few hours I was thinking about my game and for sure I have to -

      - start to post more hands and review them with more experienced players.

      - The Idea with excel sheet is pretty good and for sure I will try it.

      - Today I will try to run 4 regular tables of PLO5 and see how it will work.

      - Can you tell me what book you have on mind?

      Cheers
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      12-03-2014 , 09:25 AM
      Pretty much agree with everything finja says. Anyways, anyone playing at microstakes is bad. That includes most of the regs so yeah me and you we're both bad and there's nothing wrong with it that's why we are trying to improve!

      As for your bankroll situation, it mainly depends on how willing you are to deposit again i think. A couple hundred bucks isnt too much so if you go broke and are ok redepositing, no need to move down stakes. If you won't accept redepositing as an option then consider plo2 until you're a proven winner there.
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      12-03-2014 , 10:31 AM
      The book is called:

      Mastering Pot Limit Omaha

      by 2 guys, Herbert Okolowitz and Wladimir Taschner

      Cheers
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