Yeah cool. I shoved too and he tank folded AQ. Kinda annoying but it's whatever.

I kinda hate 3 gappers, especially OOP, so I fold preflop. It's nitty. I'm a nit.

Seems like a lotta people spew massively in your game, but she probably doesn't seem the type? We're ahead of 97. I fold. I'm a nit though.

ETA: So game (and somewhat player) dependent. Do people really raise TPTK any more in limped pots? Don't they simply play it cautiously and try to get to showdown to see if they're good and hope like hell you haven't flopped a set ("set, nice, that's what I put you on")?

ETA#2: Although just read results of other hand and obviously looks like people do raise TPTK postflop. Meh.

GIalsodon'tplaynosebleedsG

Yeah I think you're right re your postflop raising assumptions. But I think folding SB W J7s getting > 10:1 to complete is a crime. But I have tightened up my completing range considerably!

This is a bad idea. large portions of savings in any asset class much less an unproven one with nebulous valuation (at best) is a recipe for disaster. I wish you and fellow cryptoheads best of luck tho

Happy to go bust. Or to the mooooon!

I think the dangers of the RIO (which will be for huge chunks of postflop $$$) and being OOP outweigh the current good immediate odds (which are for lol $). But also game dependent; your IO in ****** postflop spewfests might make this ok.

GnitG

We can flop nut straights and flushes, yeah there's some RIO but in general I'm going to be looking to passively realise my equity postflop in multiway spots. Also not going to go too spastic vs strength in these spots and with people's lolsizingmistakes and horrendous post play I don't see how it isn't a very high ev spot pre.

Yea...stay away from plo

Edit okay not nut straights but W/e

7 handed,
Limp hero opens $25 A5dd 3 callers
Flop QQ7dd
Hero CB $35 into $110, v next to me raises $100 W like 275 behind that, folds, hero ??? Guy will probably have bluffs in his range.

Not sure if X flop or CB bigger or 3bj flop or call or fold flop lol

Yeaaaaaaaa...def stay away from plo

Not useful!

As Ava says, no nut straights / flushes with this hand (unless you're counting AKQTx and AKQsssxx). As I say, the more spewtard lol your table is, the less you have to worry about this; the more non-spewtard your table is, the more it becomes an issue, especially OOP.

ETA: And not only do monsters such as flushes and straights have RIO with this holding, but also other hands, such as perhaps the one we're looking at here. I mean, two pear (and had we made trips which is a fairly equivalent spot) is kinda a good hand and yet we're now in a pretty meh spot (imo).

GimoG

Ofc. But GwheredoyoudrawthelineG? Like there's a difference between not completing J6o, but J7s??? Really? What's the bottom of your complete range for say 2-3 limpers & 5-6 limpers?

Yeah, fair question. I mean, I'm in there with JTs for sure. Probably J9s too. J8s I'd be in there for sure on the Button, and perhaps in a ****** filled game OOP too. As I say, three gappers are just a lot more gross due to RIO on T98 boards; I don't even play them in position, and I think we'd really need that to help us out in these spots.

Yeah, it's only 1 pip away, but we all have to draw the line somewhere. Right now I insta-play AQo in EP and insta-fold AJo. Not saying it's right or wrong, but you gotta draw the line somewhere, and that's just where I've decided to draw mine.

But, I'm also a nit. But I'm a nit because I've concluded (rightly or wrongly) that being a nit is the best method in a lot of games.

ETA: But, also table dependent. I've seen a couple of the gifts you've gotten in your HHs, so yeah, if you're going to hit the obvious flush on the turn where some idiot is going to jam 3xPSB with second pear, then I can't hate too much on getting into a hand.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Daily Update - Fri 20/10

Hours Played: 7
Profit: $409

Decent start to the week today. The host of my main homegame and a few mates decided to come to the casino tonight in an attempt to get a few more people for the game. She bought me dinner which was rly nice and then we hit the tables to play for a bit. I did wait 2 hours on the waitlist which was annoying but w/e, half expected it rocking up at the time I did. Could have stayed an hour longer too but table was pretty nitty/passive all night and wasn't a whole lot of money to be made. In terms of hands, the spots I've already posted.

I do want to look at this spot, though. 3 limpers, hero BTN w/ 67s. Do we A) iso to like $30 or limp behind, see a flop, then look to realise our equity - while keeping in mind we'll often encounter RIOs MW with low flushes? FWIW I think both lines are good. We'll often get the pot HU with an iso, occasionally we'll get 3 callers but w/e. The question is, when we aren't going to get much FE by isoing, are we better off limping behind, reducing our variance and passively realising equity post while IP?

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Had another good day re the crypto stuff. Bought $750 worth of BTC last night at $5640 and it went to an ATH tonight of $6k. Feels good to buy at a good time mang.

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Anyway, tomorrow is Saturday. Homegame lined up for 6:30pm. Will be hitting legs before that in the gym, looking to raise some testosterone with some heavy deads. Hopefully get a 9 hour grind on tomorrow night to account for the 1 hour I missed from my "work day" tonight. Still focusing on MW equity realisation and calling rivers when we have a good price to do so.

That's all for now folks, GL for the Sat grind ya'll.

Yeah for sure man. I also imagine my game plays a lot shallower than yours? Like today I overcall $15 OTB 5-6 way w/ 22, flop is 762ddd, SB donk shoves $140 and we call and are good vs AT. Weird **** like that. Like flopping a flush there is the nuts because effective stack is so lolshort that it doesn't really matter anyway. Limped pots generally don't get out of control in my games either. If average stack is $1k deep and not $200, then yeah I think your RIO argument becomes quite strong.

Still though, you limp J8s OTB and won't VPIP a much smaller amount with J7s in the SB? Does position make that much of a difference? FWIW I hardly limp my button at all and will be snapfolding J8s otb.

If we think we have little FE (i.e. our iso attempt is often going to fail), then I'm not convinced position and initiative in a multiway bloated pot is going to outweigh the fact that we currently have 7 high, so I'm in the overlimping camp (surprise surprise).

GpassivenitG

Weird, from some of your HHs I thought your game played deeper than mine? I only play 1/3 NL where there is a $300 maximum BI. But many people BI for $200 (or less, I can't remember what the minimum is, maybe $100ish?). I mean there is always the potential for multiple players with big stacks ($600+), but most of the rest of the table is <= 100bb, and the big stacks rarely (if ever) fly around.

So wait, you complete J7s in the SB due to it's better immediate odds, but snap fold J8s on the Button (better hand and best position, meanwhile just giving up a smidge more in immediate odds which is almost irrelevant in NL)? You're doing it backwards, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

J7s is legit the easiest complete of my life there, absolute nonsense itt.

J8s is also pretty clearly an open on the BTN folded to us, assume no one is really arguing folding there.

If I think a $30 raise will get it HU or take it down then that's what I do. I may even make it $35. If multiple people are calling raises, then I limp behind.

During the daytime my room has lots of nits and retired guys playing. I run them over with raises like in this spot you're talking about. When I play in the evening Im much more likely to limp behind and wait for value hands to raise because Im definitely getting called more often and multiway lots of the time.

Summary....Table dependent.

J7hh hand a while back, i think is a fold. Mainly due to the player type and their action.
J9 hand a while back, you could raise to ~ 150 OTF and make it a bit harder on his decision.
Stoic philosophy: imho a lot of beliefs and rationalisation were driven mostly out of their personal experience. I think most ppl are nowhere near in a similar situation in this day and age and a whole lot of "life" things are more in our control, trough hard work, then one would believe. Nice to see you grinding it up.

GL.

Folding J7hh there pre is ******ed. also id call off the turn jam.
Also iso 67s there. I used to play like a nit live, but since ive opened up a bit more $$$$$$$$$$

if you have any amount under like 20k in savings, i think its fine to invest most of it into Btc/Eth. Losing all 10-15k (extremely unlikely) wont change your life but potential reward is huge.

Daily Update - Sat 21/10

Hours Played: 8.9
Profit: $1,000

Card dead all night long, then this happens...

UTG straddle, call, call, hero completes 9T in SB, BB checks, UTG raises to $40, one caller, hero - I heard the dealer say "$25" but it was actually "$35"... Thirty five dollars more to call. Anyway, I'd called thinking it was only $25. Glad it did because...
Flop $115: 678cc
Hero checks, UTG bets $150, MP folds, hero raises to $400, UTG says "Harvey you've sat there so quietly all night, and now you do this!?" - and then he just rips it allin with a $750 effective starting stack with JJ.

Gotta love these games. One hand did annoy me a little bit though... And I'm pretty convinced that one of the main differences between "winners" and "crushers" is how you play the following river...

(Villain has shown some crazy hero calls and bluffs and is playing **** like 46o etc. Not like a crazy whale but just playing a lot of hands and getting insane lucky.)
Hero opens $20 TT from UTG, 3 callers...
Flop: 246r
Hero cbets $55, BTN (villain) and BB call.
Turn: A
BB checks, hero checks, villain checks.
River: J
Check, check, villain snap-bets $200 into $265, fold, hero ???
Notes: Villain shouldn't have any sets, two pair, Ax or Jx with this line...
If villain did somehow have a value hand that took this line, they certainly wouldn't snap verbal announce $200. I fold and villain shows 58o. At the time, I wasn't really thinking about villain's range and what hands he could do this with. It was just "ooah big bet I have 3rd pair im out" - which isn't good enough. It's enough to "win" but not enough to "crush". Looking to think more about this spot in future and maybe click call.

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In other news, my winrate has finally hit $30 per hour for the first time ITT. Has just about taken 500 hours to get there and obviously we're on a bit of an upswing, but I guess it's a milestone of sorts. For me to get that $30/hr up to the $40-$50/hr range, I need to learn how to make the call in the above hand. What else I need to do, I'm not sure - but I'm sure holes in my game will come to light sooner or later that I can improve on.

Will go more into results and whatnot at the 500 hour update which I imagine will be on Thursday at the end of this week.

Results & Graph: https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?...7C8876B842!334

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Managed to get a bit of a leg workout in after playing tonight. Pretty piss weak though and I've not done a good gym session in a while. I was super tired yesterday arvo when I had to wake up so slept in a bit and ended up getting out of bed at like 5:30pm. Hopefully can get a workout in before the casino grind tomorrow. Want to have a really good session tomorrow so I can relax and unwind and sleep in on Monday/Tuesday. Pretty poker'd out atm since I've played near 6 nine hour sessions in a row basically.