yeah it's okay vs someone who's really bad but otherwise it's not standard

It's pretty standard...

given it's a btn straddle and you're smallblind you pretty much opened 4.6x from the earliest position on the table, the worst one postflop, you gotta have a pretty ****ing tight range there, no idea how you think you get called by Jx, also which Jx are you even thinking off that's peeling pre and calls 3 barrel on this board?

have you put any decent volume on the poker app game like i suggested? It would be a really good tool for you in order to understand variance imo.

I dont think dabbling with plo is a good idea either unless you make it your main and only game imo.. i just dont think the upside is worth the variance that comes with it.

I assume ur a online player xeno. If your 2+2 screename is the same as ur one on the site u play then we have played together. The games online and the live games OP plays in are massively different. 3 streets with an overpair is good often. Albeit il give it to u on this board the river might have been too thin even vs a bad player.

Well, his 4.6X raise got called by K5s preflop even though he raised preflop under those very strict standards that you mentioned. That should tell you something. You think the person who called preflop with K5s wouldnt also call 3 streets with a J?

and the AK hand isn't standard either. Sort of spewy imo

I did say the play was fine vs someone who's quite bad, but apparently it wasn't the case here, he said standard as if he would 3 barrel this vs anyone

I do play online but I don't use this screenname on any site, I don't think the hand is different online or live, it can be a very bad play live against some players and fine against others but it's not "standard" by any means

This is pretty high up there on my list of forum pet peeves: the fact that a guy is ******ed enough to call lol $18 preflop with junk (I'm unsure of stack sizes, but with $500 stacks this is a pretty insignificant 3.5% of stacks) = guy is ******ed enough to stack off for real $$$$$ postflop for 96.5% of his stack with ~junk. Which isn't *remotely* true in the majority of games I've ever played in.

(not necessarily talking about this case specifically; just this idea in general)

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Some people will stack off on most boards with K5 on a K high board against some players they feel represent the board too often -ie, they think you are FOS too often. In a live game, you want to be that person they stack off to - they won't come close to getting there against ABC TAG players because they know KSs is the real nuts and the TAG is likely to have it.

Other people will stack off on an AK5 or A Q/J 5 board because they have the nuts!

I think V didn't raise the River (but would have called off stack) because they were scared of the Nut Flush - those kind of fish have a particular way of thinking that includes hoping for the nut Ace to hit to GII themselves but call any bet OTR without going for thin value themselves.

meale you really need to study/ go back to the drawing board if you don't want to go busto.

you're playing lots of hands in ways that you think is a cooler but are not. case in point the AK hand- even if villain is shoving all AK (which he never is) and QQ+, you still dont have enough equity to call. And before you say it- no, villain is never shoving less than AK QQ+ from those positions.

flipping for your income is just stupid/ an easy way to go broke

can you quote the AK hand, cannot find it

The AK hand is losing a flip - not a cooler.

Flipping for 100 BB can do a lot for your meta - players don't distinguish that it is 100 BB, not 300 so they will pay you off more if you are seen as a gambooler.

I hear what you are saying but Aussie games are not Vegas games - meale will see as low as KTo or Kxs sometimes in that situation JJ/Qq a lot and a lot of random hands - it is almost never KK/AA

Just my experience obv.

@Clanty The AK hand

Nobody stacked off. Who said anything about stacking off for $500?

wow best games in the world? you're saying people regularly 4b all in with KTo and Kxss 100bbs at 2/5?

Umm AJ? In fact, any J?

What lol? I've played a million hands online. I know what variance looks like more than most. I've also run plenty of sims on Pokerdope for the past several years. Your claim that playing 1 table on PPPoker is going to teach me about variance is simply unfounded.

Yeah I agree. I'm going to stay clear of any PLO games for the next little while, until I get a bigger BR behind me.

Yeah. Am I crazy? Pretty sure this is a really really standard triple barrel?

It's completely standard. I suggest you play 1 table of PPPoker to learn about variance... maybe then you'll understand what losing a flip looks like?

But I'll break it down for you, so it's nice and clear. Villain iso's to $25, we have a pretty clear 3bet vs this villain and $100 is standard size when we're OOP at 100 effective.

When villain snap jams we can garner a couple of things. It's fairly unlikely they have AA and somewhat unlikely they have KK - typically people "hollywood" here, and by that I mean, delay their action a bit so it looks as though they have a decision. So that makes the density of their range skewed towards QQ/AK.

We have to call $400 to win $1000, so we need 40% equity here to justify calling. Vs QQ+ and AK, we have 39% equity - and we can realistically reduce AA and KK combos due to the aforementioned timing tell.

It's a completely standard call and anyone who disagrees is probably clueless...

Obv this hand should play differently online vs live. There's absolutely no way triple barreling an overpair on a J high board can ever be a "very bad" play either imo. You're obviously being fairly results oriented if you think it's "fine vs some players" and "very bad vs others" - you don't know anything about the player. I am 100% certain they call the river with AJ.

How stupid do you look now that I proved to you we literally do have enough equity to call? Good luck to you 3betting 20% of your stack with AK and then folding profitably.

I don't expect random spazz from this villain - although it wouldn't surprise me since he was down $1.5k in the couple hours we'd been playing. I expect his range to be QQ+ and AK, occasionally add JJ in there. We easily have the right equity to call - it's not even gambling. It's just standard 100 deep.

Daily Update - Thurs 12/10

Hours Played: 9.3
Profit: $900

Tonight started out pretty horribly. Was down $500 fairly quickly running AK into AA. Similar spot to the AK < QQ hand from my previous session. I'll briefly run through this one...

EP opens $12, call, call, call, SB makes it $50, hero 4b to $150 with AKo, folds to SB who jams for $570 effective.
(SB is sun running, up $2k in 2 hours, has had AA and KK 3 times each already - he's generally a VERY spewy player and does some weird plays/punts).
So we have to call $420 to win $1,188, meaning we need 35% equity to breakeven on a call. As we saw in the previous example, vs QQ+ and AK we have 38% equity. I think it'd be fairly results oriented to say we can do anything else differently once we 3bet other than to call vs this player.

In this spot though there are things one needs to consider b4 4betting:
- What happens if we get jammed on at this effective stack depth?
- If we cold call, the pot will likely go MW
- Can we 4bet smaller and then fold?
- How much equity does AK have vs QQ+/AK (we should know we have 38%) and what are the pot odds?

Vs a nit - I think this is a very tough spot but vs this spazz who's one of the losingest players at this game, think it's a standard GII - obv not happy about it and obv winning the pot < 50% of the time, but that's poker.

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In other news today, Bitcoin price skyrocketed up to about $5,400 USD - I'm looking to wait til it dips to somewhere around 5k-5.2k before buying another $1k worth.

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I have a bunch of hands from today's session that I want to run through, so without further adieu...

Hand 1

Hero opens KT UTG to $20, 3 callers.
Flop $80: KQTr
Hero cbets $45, two callers.
Turn $170: 4dd
Hero $125, fold, call.
River $330: 2o
Hero checks, villain shoves for about $200, hero folds.
Notes: The reason we double barrel is because the first caller is an absolute drooler who will have a fairly wide range for calling turn - so I'm betting for value vs that player. Unfortunately, he folds and it's the flop overcaller that calls turn - he should have a bit stronger range. Come the river, I don't think we can get any more value. Once we check, villain has like zero bluffs - he has AJ, J9s, KQ, occasional TT - we simply can't call.

Hand 2

BTN straddles, call, call, call, hero iso to $30 w TT, SB calls.
Flop $75: Q95cc
Check, check
Turn $75: 3o
SB leads $75, hero calls
River $225: 3ccc
SB leads $75, hero ???
Notes: Kinda looks like villain is value betting Qx here. But this guy's a total drooler and can easily show up with some weird ****. We have a sick price so don't have to win that often to profitably call. We do call and villain shows 94 and we scoop.

Hand 3

Hero (1200) opens $20 UTG w KJ, MP calls, CO (1000) calls
Flop $65: 234dd
Hero cbets $35, fold, CO 3bets to $100, hero calls
Turn $265: 8ddd
Hero checks, villain shoves AI for $880, hero calls
~Villain has A5hh and is dead on the turn - this was a VERY nice little $1,000 donation~

Hand 4

Hero opens 77 EP to $20, 2 callers
Flop $65: 456ss
Hero cbets $35, villain raises to $100, fold, hero calls
Turn $265: 4sshh
Hero checks, villain bets $125, hero ???
Notes: It's entirely possible villain has a set or a flush draw - but his range is extremely wide preflop - it's kinda sick because we block the nuts so that reduces his value a fair bit. We also have decent equity still. I decided to fold though because our equity vs a set is pretty bad now. Villain later tells me he had JJ.

Hand 5

5 Handed
EP opens $10, SB calls, Hero $50 in BB w/ QQ, call, fold. Villain is drooler from hand 4.
Flop $110: JT8r
Hero checks, check.
Turn $110: 4
Hero bets $70, call
River $250: A
Hero checks, villain bets $125, hero ???
Flop hits villain fairly hard so check is nice for pot control. Turn we have to bet for value. Come river our hand is fairly under repped and villain really doesn't have much Ax at all - like AT is probably it... Given how wide this guy's range is and that it's pretty easy for him to be turning a hand like 89 into a bluff, I think we have a fairly profitable call here on the river.

Hand 6

4 Handed
UTG opens $20, hero calls w/ AJ OTB, SB calls.
We can 3bet pre here but villain is typically opening to $6-$15 range, so this RFI size was a little off-putting, also a bit of a disaster if we get 4bet.
Flop $65: 355r
Check, check, hero bets $20
We bet here basically for protection - our hand is likely best and we can take it down immediately and deny equity to SB who will have about ATC. Easier for us to get to the river if we bet flop too. I'd also bet this size with my 5x.
SB folds, EP raises to $60, hero calls
We don't expect villain to have any 5x here really. Maybe he is just being stubborn with some overcards and thinks we have nothing. Maybe he has a hand like JJ/QQ. I think those hands just cbet though so I was fairly sure he was just backing around here.
Turn $185: 2hh
Villain bets $125, hero ??? (Villain has about $250-300 behind)
This is a super interesting spot. On the turn, we have an overcard, the nut flush draw, and a gut shot. Vs a hand like TT, we have 36% equity here and vs QQ we have 30%. Vs A5s we have 21%. Really this comes down to how willing we are to back our read. We need 28% equity to call. So calling is definitely +EV here vs his range - the question is, should we shove? Do we have fold equity vs a hand like QQ? If we think he's still mucking around with a hand like KQ, obv we certainly do - but then again, if he has KQ he might give up on the river in which case we have enough SDV with our hand as it is. If he ever has 5x though, we're in a lot of strife. At the time, I opted for the lower variance approach of just calling - but I really like shoving because if he does this with a pair, he might just want to fold.
River $435: 3o
Villain does check, we snap check behind expecting our ace high to be good fairly often. Villain shows 77. Super weird that he'd take this bizarre overplay line with that hand. Obv I think we have FE vs this hand on the turn. I think in future we should go with our "villain doesn't have 5x therefore we have fold equity and should jam turn" approach because it's the highest EV overall.

Results: https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?...7C8876B842!334

Weekly Review - 6/10-12/10

Hours Played: 25.3
Profit: -$564


Notes: Two consecutive losing weeks! I'm not concerned about the results because in terms of a downswing, it's pretty tame at the moment. We're down like 1.8k from our peak but what annoys me is the volume has been terrible this past week - these past two weeks actually.

I don't really have a good excuse tbh. Played some stupidly short sessions this past week - one was an hour in length because I got to the casino and just felt like cancer. The next was like 3.5 hours and we left after losing a big pot to a whale - we should have stuck around obviously. And because I went out on Saturday night, I shouldn't have had a day off this week but I did yesterday anyway.

I have been distracted by Ignition and the thought of playing some volume there, I've been distracted by PPPoker and wanting to play more on there, I've been distracted by silly things like daytrading cryptocurrency, I've been distracted by girls, the list goes on. I've just been distracted and not focused on the task at hand this week.

Well, it's got to stop and I want to turn things around sooner rather than later. So for that reason, I'm going to accomplish the following this coming week:

[ ] - 50 hours volume
[ ] - ALL volume bar Thursday night @ the casino
[ ] - Track expenses
[ ] - Write one blog post on Monday (our day off)

If I can pull that off, it should set me back on the right track. Hoping to play most of my volume during the silly hours where people are drinking and punting off stacks. Getting some good volume Fri-Sun during the prime time at the casino should be good. I would like to build some momentum back up results-wise so this is the best thing I can think of.

It's now 6:30am and I have to be at the casino in 11.5 hours. So I'm going to get some sleep.

Feel free to leave your thoughts on those hands! Goodnight!

1 million hands of poker stars play money? Sorry, I call bull**** dude. Anyone who's put that amount of volume in doesn't make the glaring mistakes that you do.

You're using fantasy ranges in order to justify making -ev plays.

As far as your analysis goes... i would bet at the table you didn't hesitate for a second/ know the math and just went with it cuz AK is AK.

It's cool, I get a laugh out of reading your hand histories and your surprise at being "unlucky" and "running bad" when its actually just horrendous play.

In the nicest way possible, I have to +1 this. It's not like I enjoy laughing at the HH's, but the HH's you post are played really badly imo, and I don't ever agree with the reasoning behind it. Take that how you want, I'm honestly being as sincere as can be.

Learning some theory would really help you. I know you said you know Poker theory well in an earlier post, but I doubt that a lot, given your online background. Put some hours into studying with Snowie andor Pio, Snowie might actually be better as it has a MW function.

Like I said, not trying to sound like an *******, just giving my 2c and some advice. gl

Ive done a lot of work with Snowie and in most situations (for 2/5 and below) it completely sucks. It makes its recommendations based on assumptions that are just totally unrealistic for the donks playing low stakes.

If youre playing a hand against a really tough player, then snowie can really help and I have learned some things by studying it, but mostly the lines it recommends are very sub optimal for the actual games we play in with players that stink.

PLO variance gonna hurt no matter how much money you got

Gotta shove river with the KTss

Better to check call flop oop with 77 on 456ss, as played don't fold turn for this sizing, peel it and then decide river

everything else is fine, even AJhh is not higher ev to be shoving with, calling was totally fine, shoving is okay but higher frequency play is definitely to call

btw I think snowie sucks compared to pio, just get pio and try to figure out optimal lines against the ranges of the droolers you're playing against

How much XP with live poker do you have Clanty? Any whatsoever? What HHs do you think are laughable?

Why on earth would you shove river with KT vs a tight passive player?