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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Sorry, but I think your QJs hand is spew. Opening UTG is OK but once you get 4 calls, youre never taking it down with a Cbet. I would check and see what happens. Someone with a weak ace might check and you get a free card but they are never folding to your Cbet.
On the turn, a check raise or a check/call could be fine but once he bets $200, you absolutely dont need to stick to your plan to check raise. You should just let it go.
I said I never expected my flop cbet to take it down. But by keeping myself uncapped, I can apply a lot of pressure to one-pair hands on turns and rivers. Think this is a good combo to triple barrel esp with two villains who are deep - I can get them off top pair come river.
I don't understand what you're saying about the turn. Check calling looks by far the worst option. But are you really advocating check folding? This is surely even worse... We have 30% equity and a very good chunk of implied odds as well as possibly some fold equity. I'll admit, my fold equity was probably not quite where I wanted it to be vs this size bet, but we literally get the right odds to call - we need 44% equity to check call the turn profitably. So we need 14% to come from implied odds. If we check call, hit a 9 or King, I think we can donk river for at least $250 and get called. A club maybe $200 works often enough too. If we assume we can get $200 out of villain on the river when we hit, we now have exactly our 30% equity/IO required to profitably check/call turn. FWIW, we can easily get the last $450 out of villain on K or 9s and maybe a bit more than $200 or $250 on a club too. So I just don't understand how folding can even cross our minds with this draw.
I'm pretty confident this villain folds A8s, A2s, and maybe even 88s on the turn vs our x-jam. He was remarking for a good couple minutes about how I've been playing so tight... When I xjammed he stood up and was like "****, not again...", "you just have AA here" - obv I never expect him to fold TT since it's the top of his range. But my point is that maaaaybe we do have some FE vs this player. Maybe I'm just being way too optimistic.
If on the turn once we check to villain, if he bets like $100-$175 mark, we're way happier about our jam because his range just seems a little weaker overall. This is what I expected he'd bet.
Of course, dbarreling turn is fine and standard too. Sucks if we get raised/jammed on ofc.
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Originally Posted by panetta23
Good luck bro
You should be fine, australians are pretty bad at poker, although melbourne is where its at
If you want to be happy playing best way is probs to be talkative and get to know people youre playing with, have banter etc. this also gives you info you can use for your game
You could go the other way and just listen to music, but you need to be disciplined if you do this. I did this as i hate playing live and found i wasnt paying attention to any hands i wasnt in
Im 19 and im going to start playing live in sydney (plan on going to aussie millions too)
with hopes of turning pro (feel free to check out my thread, you might be able to help me)
Hey, thanks bro. Unfortunately, the "banter" at the table generally bores me to death. It's as though nothing anyone could ever say at a poker table is interesting to me... It's all been said before a million times; just recycled conversations and platitudes. Which is why I think I'd be happier listening to techno or a podcast and focusing on the action.
Can you link your thread here btw? Keen to sweat your progress.
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Originally Posted by Dizzyqtp
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Originally Posted by JacetheMind
Subbed. Don't c-bet the flop 4 ways with the double gutter there, you're right in thinking you have no real fold equity. Check with the intention of calling most bets. In general I play multi-way pots very straightforward.
Playing 2/5 in soflo with a similar poker bankroll but not trying to do it as a full time gig. Have a PGC also if you want to give it a look.
Also, saw someone mention headspace and I'd like to second their recommendation. I'd never done any sort of meditation previously, and have loved it.
Good luck on your grind!
Please link your PGC here man, I'd love to follow.
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Just want to say, this isnt true. Villains will hem, they will haw, they will say "got aces huh?", they will say "man i know im beat", and then they will call with AQ. They certainly wouldnt fold two pair here ever, I assure you.
So they always think they are beat, but they never fold.
Its called getting nitrolled, and it will happen to you quite often.
As for the hand, I would open stuff turn.
Yeah, you're probably right.
As for open jamming the turn, I think it's pretty bad. I have $650 behind and the pot is $250, basically asking to get it in terribly. This makes our hand look even weaker and reduces any fold equity we might have had if we take the xj line which looks super nutted.
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Originally Posted by LucasVienna
Not ever cbetting this hand makes you very easy to play against. Just because it's multiway doesn't mean you should have no bluffs, just fewer and with higher equity. You might want to mix between checking and betting but you should certainly bet this combo sometimes as it is your highest equity draw.
Turn is an interesting question, though. I like the idea of x/shoving combo draws and 88/TT, but then it gets tricky to select a check calling and a betting range. Seems like a reasonable way to play it to me but I would agree with Avaritia's comments that just because someone tanked doesn't mean there was a non-zero chance of them folding. Whether you have FE depends a lot on how they play their middling top pairs here.
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Yeah, like I'm not stoked about cbetting it that's for sure. I'd prefer to control the size of the pot though and keep myself uncapped by betting. This is obv bottom of my cbet range. Checking is cool too. But I think betting is better because it's a hand we should be happy about going three streets with as a bluff imo.
FWIW, I don't think we need a check calling range on the turn. It's like poker man **** balance lol. And yeah, if they have like AQ obv I'm pretty sure they fold but I don't think they bet $200 into $250 ott with such a precarious holding anyway...
Ty for the comments everyone!