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10-13-2014 , 10:36 PM
Shrewsbury - I bet you have seen me before. I eat at noodles sometimes. It's the only place to eat at 3am. Generic asian food though. I'm only sleeping in my car once or twice a week now. Commuting 1hour ish to MA. One of my friends is letting me crash for a couple weeks. If I continue the run good I will consider renting a room.
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10-13-2014 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mixedminh
Shrewsbury - I bet you have seen me before. I eat at noodles sometimes. It's the only place to eat at 3am. Generic asian food though. I'm only sleeping in my car once or twice a week now. Commuting 1hour ish to MA. One of my friends is letting me crash for a couple weeks. If I continue the run good I will consider renting a room.
Yeah did you use to work as a cook or something? I commute about 1.25 hours from Worcester which sucks but it is not that far.
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10-13-2014 , 11:42 PM
No, pizza delivery lol. I am crashing in webster.. not far from you. I went to school in sturbridge
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10-14-2014 , 02:19 AM
Update: Played 5 hours. +270

Some hands:

1) Guy to my left straddles. 3 limps and I look at A2ss. I limp, he checks. Flop is Ad 8h 2h. I check. Straddle bets 20, mp flats, folds to me and I shove for 120. Both players call. Villain 1 has 8d2d. Villain 2 has a heart draw. Turn Kd. River 4d. Backdoor flush, ouch.

2) I limp 78ss in ep. Everyone seems to limp atc from.any position and we typically see flops for 2$. Limps to BB who raises to 12 and his range is any Ax, pair, and broadways. Two players flat. I 3bet to 50. He has 200$ behind. He plays very fit or fold so far and I have a tight image, only showing down with strong hands. Everyone folds, villain flats $50. Flop is 66J r. He checks, at this point he will only call a c-bet with Jacks or better. I fire 55 and he folds. I show face up and he gets a little fired up. This comes into play in hand 3.

3) I limp 24cc in EP we go 6 ways to flop at 2$. Flop: 2d4h6h. I check, player to my left bets 10, two callers, I play this hand slow and flat.. this may not have been the best choice. Turn is Ks. I check, original better checks, mp checks, villain from previous hand fires 30$. I put him on flush draws, any K, to be honest.. almost any two cards here, he's getting frustrated and snap bet-30. I call 30, everyone else folds. River 7s. I check to him and he shoves all in for 115. It looked so bluffy to me as I think he would value bet his strong hands here and doesn't expect me to call shoves. Seeing as how I bluffed him before I have to call. He says nice call and tables Q2.

This next hand I should have folded on the flop I think, or preflop, but I would like some input on because I lost.

4) UTG raises to 5. 7 callers. Im in the BB with 4c6c I call. Flop is 6s7sJc. All checked to button (fishy) who bets $6 into the 31 dollar pot. I call, mp calls. Turn Ac. Two checks to fishy and he makes it 16. I call knowing I will get paid if a 6 or club peels. River is 8c completing a straight and Backdoor flush. He leads for 25. I raise to 55. Mp calls. Villain calls. Mp shows Qc7c and takes the pot. Villain had AJ.

5) I limp JsTd in SB. BB checks. 6 way to the Flop: 578r. Checks to button who bets 8. He has any 7 or 8 here mostly. Possible 6x. Fishy also calls. Turn is 4. We all check. Button and fishy would never check back the straight, they have been firing right out. River is K. I fire 22 and they both fold.

6) 5 limps to fishy in SB who makes it $12. His range is only JJ-AA and AK. Nothing else. I see 3h4h and flat call. Button calls. 3 ways to flop As8s9d. Villain checks, I lead for 16. Button folds, villain hesitates and calls. Turn is 8c. I fire 40 with plans to surrender river and never expecting him to call with anything but AA. JJ, QQ, KK folds and AK wold have bet on wet board. He throws his hand up (KK) and loudly says "every ****ing time, an ace flops"

Making car payment, insurance payment, and phone payment tomorrow.. Life roll will be at 2800.
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10-14-2014 , 02:39 AM
Hands 2 and 3 don't inspire confidence.
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10-14-2014 , 02:55 AM
Only in America do people live out of their car / their friends' couches and have $90 phone payments, car payments, etc.

Whatever, though. GL man
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10-14-2014 , 03:04 AM
Too much variance with those lines?
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10-14-2014 , 04:06 AM
I think you're right about hand 2 and 3. Limping with those hands instead of folding is probably -ev longterm. I tried to justify the limp with the horrid post flop play from the table but I think that may be a leak of mine as 2ell. I fold these hands 95% of the time though fyi
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10-14-2014 , 02:14 PM
Heading to the gym for the first time in 2 weeks. Sucks that I can't really balance my life so much at the moment but that's really my biggest motivator too. I used to diet and work out 5 days a week but have been more focused on getting volume in at the tables. Once roll is near 5k I should be getting a room and back to normal. Debating on whether or not im going to drive to foxwoods or play a local game tonight. They run a really slow paced 35 dollar tournament at 730 that gets 4 tables, followed by an incredibly soft spewy cash game from 10pm to 1245am. Just wish the game lasted longer
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10-14-2014 , 11:24 PM
Good Luck.

Don't stray from the path
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10-17-2014 , 12:45 AM
I played a game in town tonight. They had a 40 dollar tournament.. only had 16 players and they paid 4th as bubble, which I took. Broke even, then played their super loose cash game for 2 hours.

Profit: +278

Going to foxwoods tomorrow to put in a session.

Life roll: 3000ish.
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10-19-2014 , 02:41 AM
Put in three sessions since the last update.

+115, 4 hours
+820, 5 hours
+486, 3 hours

Confidence is really boosting as the roll is growing.

Roll: $4400
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10-19-2014 , 03:14 AM
Niceeeeeee
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10-19-2014 , 03:17 AM
gllllllllllll
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10-19-2014 , 06:16 AM
keep building that roll. gl im rooting for you
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10-19-2014 , 08:34 AM
So its hard to argue with your results so far. However, I see some fundamental mistakes in your play that are sure to bite you in the arse as you move along in the journey.

here are a few things to consider...

Over 80% of your total profit in NL is going to come from 3% or less of your starting hand range. Said another way, the top 3% of your hands will generate over 80% of your profit. Eliminate the junk.

Also over 80% of your profit is going to come from the Button and Late Position play. Tighten up your OOP ranges.

How do you do that? Well, here are a few basic rules.

Don't ever open limp. If it is not a hand you feel *GREAT* about opening for a raise then you need to be folding it. This is especially true in EP and MP. This is a rule that will save you a ton of money as you move along.

Don't ever flat in EP or MP. Once again, if you don't feel good enough about the hand to raise the limper(s) then you need to be folding the hand.

These two simple rules when put into action will advance your game a ton. It will take discipline, but it will pay off. You can get away with playing crap hands, in a crappy way, in crappy position at the lowest levels. But, when you start playing against better players they will *MURDER* you if you don't start cleaning up your game.

GL Brother.
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10-19-2014 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GameBreaker
So its hard to argue with your results so far. However, I see some fundamental mistakes in your play that are sure to bite you in the arse as you move along in the journey.

here are a few things to consider...

Over 80% of your total profit in NL is going to come from 3% or less of your starting hand range. Said another way, the top 3% of your hands will generate over 80% of your profit. Eliminate the junk.

Also over 80% of your profit is going to come from the Button and Late Position play. Tighten up your OOP ranges.

How do you do that? Well, here are a few basic rules.

Don't ever open limp. If it is not a hand you feel *GREAT* about opening for a raise then you need to be folding it. This is especially true in EP and MP. This is a rule that will save you a ton of money as you move along.

Don't ever flat in EP or MP. Once again, if you don't feel good enough about the hand to raise the limper(s) then you need to be folding the hand.

These two simple rules when put into action will advance your game a ton. It will take discipline, but it will pay off. You can get away with playing crap hands, in a crappy way, in crappy position at the lowest levels. But, when you start playing against better players they will *MURDER* you if you don't start cleaning up your game.

GL Brother.
I've found at live 1/2 you can improve win rate with all sorts of questionable pre-flop play when you have a big enough post flop edge. It's like the advantage you get from going driver on every hole of an easy golf course with wide fairways and thin rough vs. a tough course with narrow fairways and thick rough. At the lowest games it's just a matter of knowing what you can get away with and when, not following set rules. just my 2 cents
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10-19-2014 , 12:31 PM
Thanks guys. Appreciate the advice. I do need to learn how to play against stronger tables as I'm used to playing against weak ones. Will definitely be applying most of said advice when I move up to 2/5. 1/2 is such a passive spew fest
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10-19-2014 , 12:49 PM
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I've found at live 1/2 you can improve win rate with all sorts of questionable pre-flop play when you have a big enough post flop edge. It's like the advantage you get from going driver on every hole of an easy golf course with wide fairways and thin rough vs. a tough course with narrow fairways and thick rough. At the lowest games it's just a matter of knowing what you can get away with and when, not following set rules. just my 2 cents
There is a reason why the vast majority of players never move beyond the 1/2 level. They mostly learn how to beat that level and never go beyond that understanding.

If you are hoping to set yourself up to play for a living, you should be laying the super solid foundation for higher level play.

No matter how profitable it may be at 1/2 in certain situations to open limit EP or over limp MP, that type of play does not translate to beating higher level games.

IMO you should be concentrating on developing the skills and discipline that Will allow you too beat the 2/5 games and above.
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10-19-2014 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by GameBreaker
There is a reason why the vast majority of players never move beyond the 1/2 level. They mostly learn how to beat that level and never go beyond that understanding.

If you are hoping to set yourself up to play for a living, you should be laying the super solid foundation for higher level play.

No matter how profitable it may be at 1/2 in certain situations to open limit EP or over limp MP, that type of play does not translate to beating higher level games.

IMO you should be concentrating on developing the skills and discipline that Will allow you too beat the 2/5 games and above.
If the plays he made were a question of not having discipline then I agree 100%. Discipline is the most important skill. I'm just saying there are a plethora of spots to play exploitable in 1/2 and doing so will often yield a better win rate in that game... when is OP planning on moving up to 2/5?
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10-19-2014 , 02:50 PM
Right now my bankroll and life roll are the same. Looking for a room to rent or a place to live that isnt too expensive. I'm thinking that I might take shots over 6k. Too early for me at the moment.
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10-19-2014 , 05:00 PM
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Only in America do people live out of their car / their friends' couches and have $90 phone payments, car payments, etc.

Whatever, though. GL man
[ ] happens only in america

edit: meh, after some more thought... you're probably right
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10-19-2014 , 05:21 PM
GameBreaker, that's some solid advice. +1
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10-19-2014 , 05:24 PM
This is 100% applicable to $2/5+ and 80% to $1/2

From Ed Miller's video "How to beat $2/5 Anywhere" available on Red Chip Poker.



This will help you get rid of that junk you're playing like 24 from EP. You should be asking yourself, "Do I want to be the preflop aggressor this hand?" And I'm not sure why you would answer "No" to that question.

You may be thinking that your win-rate shows that you can play these types of hands but you're simply running good. Those type of hands just do not flop enough equity to justify the cost of playing them.

This is how "well" your 24s flops (From Flopzilla)



So you pay to see 100 flops ($200) and now have to extract $200 from out of position.
You flop:
Trips 1 times
Two pair 2 times
Straight not once
Flush not once
Full house? LOL

So you're out of position the entire hand and when you finally do flop your miracle straight there's a whopping $8 in the pot but you need to earn back like $50 to justify playing the hand in the first place.

And keep in mind that any of the made hands (except full-houses) are only going to be 80% to win when a lot of money starts going into the pot. And some of the hands like flushes have RIO against an already made flush or a big flush draw.

That's enough for today but you absolutely must drop those super weak suited gappers type hands - they're not profitable at all.
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10-19-2014 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ALL IN!
This is 100% applicable to $2/5+ and 80% to $1/2

From Ed Miller's video "How to beat $2/5 Anywhere" available on Red Chip Poker.



This will help you get rid of that junk you're playing like 24 from EP. You should be asking yourself, "Do I want to be the preflop aggressor this hand?" And I'm not sure why you would answer "No" to that question.

You may be thinking that your win-rate shows that you can play these types of hands but you're simply running good. Those type of hands just do not flop enough equity to justify the cost of playing them.

This is how "well" your 24s flops (From Flopzilla)



So you pay to see 100 flops ($200) and now have to extract $200 from out of position.
You flop:
Trips 1 times
Two pair 2 times
Straight not once
Flush not once
Full house? LOL

So you're out of position the entire hand and when you finally do flop your miracle straight there's a whopping $8 in the pot but you need to earn back like $50 to justify playing the hand in the first place.

And keep in mind that any of the made hands (except full-houses) are only going to be 80% to win when a lot of money starts going into the pot. And some of the hands like flushes have RIO against an already made flush or a big flush draw.

That's enough for today but you absolutely must drop those super weak suited gappers type hands - they're not profitable at all.
This will help to some degree, but black and white blanket statements are damaging to your overall expectation. Regardless of stake, limping can be very good. I hate when people say X is something you will do at these stakes and Y is something you will do at these other stakes. It's up to you to be able to see when limping is good and when it's bad. You're playing against particular players in particular situations, you're not playing against the stake

The only thing from that pic I can 100% get behind is probably never open limping. That's something that if you never did, probably wouldn't adversely impact your winrate.
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