I'd rather see him succeed

both calling and raising is indeed fine with Q8s BB vs SB on 875 with a flush draw, even on rainbow it'd be fine, folding is not really an option I'm not sure why anyone would consider folding in position with top pair good kicker there unless you feel you are so much worse than the player oop that he's gonna outplay you everytime on future streets

folding is fine.

folding is also fine, unless you like to make money at poker

mawg bets pot into a limped pot possible straight on board top pair 3rd kicker no backdoors is vulnerable and can be let go. this is an easy fold. reverse implied odds if we turn two pair or trips vs a set or made straight we're in trouble. its just not a good hand, no big deal letting it go. anything but folding is wrong except against the weakest of opponents.

Dont forget the pot is raked 10% up to $15 so live players play differently. You maybe don't understand that?

The reason folding is an option is because there are a lot of "nut" players in live poker that literally never bet without having "it" which in this instance I would say is top 2 or better.

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ok but he didn't mention villain being particularly nitty or anything like that?

For anyone who plays live: does it play similar to play money online? I can imagine it being like that in a way (if you don't know what play money plays like, just log onto pokerstars and test it out for a bit - it's not just people going all in every hand and messing around. People seem to take it pretty seriously, albeit the players are very bad).

Im sure you do really well. LOL..

It sounds like if these guys think you shouldn't 3 bet bluff with blockers or call a single bet w/ TP on the flop. Live sounds horrible to me. Like you need at least two pair every hand. Not sure how any of them actually make any money playing like a nit until they get that, then firing away. Like who calls them down after they've been playing like a nit for two hours plus then start pounding oversize bets into the pots? Complete idiots? I know the general population aren't generally genius's but they can't be as dumb as these people are acting like in the thread. If that's really the case everybody should just quit their jobs and start playing live poker immediately.

No, Live poker is not even in the same galaxy as play money online poker. Its much softer than real money online poker, but you cant seriously think its anywhere near as soft as play money poker. These people are playing with real money. Money they earned at a real job. They arent just logging on and goofing off with play money that means exactly zero to them. Most of them suck at poker but they are still trying. They arent just going all in with J5s after 2 other all ins and hoping to build up a stack.

Well some people cant fold A8 or K8 on a 875 flop when they get raised so obviously you CAN just wait for 2 pair or better and blast away.

Live isn't all playing like a nit, just 3bet squeezing with blockers isn't all that great since the live players flatting behind will have hands like AK AQ JJ+ that you would expect should 3bet themselves more often than online.

but they're also going to have trash like 64s and 96s and A9o that they should fold pre flop

I'm not sure. I think average player tendency is to call too much, but even a fish will work out that your huge bets mean you have a monster hand, once they've seen you show down a couple of hands.

Well play money doesn't quite play like that. People are taking it seriously, they're not just moving all in with any 2. However, play money players are never folding top pair no matter how huge the bet is, they're routinely calling off draws with incorrect odds, they check back hands when they should be bluffing, their big bets mean they have big hands. I take it live poker plays like this?

As someone that’s played quite a bit of live 1/3 and 2/5 I’ll say that 3betting light is way more effective at 2/5 for a variety of reasons.

1. More people are raising more often at 2/5. Your opportunity frequency to 3bet goes way up relative to 1/3.

2. Calling ranges are generally weaker. More people are also 3betting more often at 2/5. Therefore, when you find a situation that goes wide open -> call -> call, and you find yourself with A4s or KQo, then this presents a very attractive 3bet opportunity. Compare that same action to 1/3 and you are going up against much stronger ranges (in general) with way less FE.

All of that said, I don’t mind the 3! with KQo from OP. If you have a strong image it should get through more often than required to be +EV.

Getting back shoved on is just a dumb eye-roll 1/3 spot. I haven’t done the math but you’re never doing better than being a 53/47 dog here or whatever.

Not even slightly sadly. Play money is not real, so people just don’t care and getting stacks in on a wing and a prayer is commonplace.

More trainwreck less strat

If you've got players that will stack off with TP for 100bb, which you do in 1/2 and 1/3 live games, why are so many in here keen to get fancy with hands that are marginal at best? I really don't get it. Anyone taking the game seriously doesn't play 1/3 for the challenge, it's to build the bankroll because the game is so soft. You wouldn't go to play money or 2NL and start squeezing hands like KQo for value, you'd flat, flop top pair and rinse someone with KT or QJ.

I play HUSNGs and sometimes I get players that are such droolers it becomes better for me to play small ball with hands that are normally shoving hands. Just because a play is +EV doesn't mean it's the most +EV or best overall strategy.

Back on track, OP I actually want you to succeed. I can relate to a lot of what you're going through (except having ridiculous spending habits) and the one word of advice I would give you is humility. Entitlement is a massive thing in poker but we are all nobodies in this thread. You're not a baller, neither am I. Cut that spending, stop thinking you're above cooking. Stop caring what your hourly actually is. Stop thinking you're above studying. You're a pro now, act like one and grind as ****ing hard as you can. If the gf doesn't get it then that's her fault, not yours. You clearly understand poker to a half decent level, just read and reread and reread the posts from the live crushers until it clicks. It's going to be grim for a while playing 1/3 but you have a sizeable roll that you can be successful with if you apply yourself properly.

if he doesn't know what his hourly is, how does he even know he beats these games? how will he know if he can beat these games 5 years down the line? so many unanswered questions.

fair enough, although people in play money don't just get in stacks with nothing. they seem to be taking it pretty seriously, from what i can tell (although they play terrible of course).

so you just sit around and WAIT for two pair or better?
You must do well LOL

Please tell us all again how you don't really Need to play poker because of how rich you are
If i had to bet i'd bet you have mentioned it at least 10xs in your 6000 or so posts (i barely read what your live fishy ass writes and I have heard you say it at least 3 or 4 times)

Obviously I dont sit around waiting for 2 pair to raise since I said I sometimes raise Q8 on a 875 flop. You really are dense arent you?

You guys are trying to tell me people dont cbet/bet bvb and give up at least 20% of the time. Also raising that flop isolating yourself vs better hands and having very few outs vs flop bet calling range just extract value from draws that have good equity vs you anyway.

And when it comes to bluffing with blockers, I am a fish but im assuming you shouldn't squeeze with blockers like suited aces and Aj because you will be end up against AQ-AK Jj-QQ more often multiway and be screwed. But if you are button or cutoff vs single raiser from cutoff/mp you should still iso 3bet with blockers to prevent the pot from going multiway vs setminers and sc overcallers...

BTW where is op. Dd he go busto or he in jail for pimpin his gf for bankroll

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