KK fold in hand 4 seems EXTREMELY SIMILAR to the KK hand in your previous session, where you called it off vs two opponents drawing dead.

The forum responded that it was an extremely standard fold.

You then post a similar hand...title it “sick spot”...and then say you’re proud of the fold...

(I don’t think anybody else here is gonna pat you on the back. As stated before, seems like a super standard fold with one pair vs two opponents who have both made aggressive actions on the fold).

Nice to see that the hand history reviews in this thread may be helping your game , though, even if you don’t admit it and say that you folded the recent KK hand due to your “sick readz”

Eh no it's not

This spot isn't quite as bad as the 4-straight hand but still a fold. But you know if they both show up with draws OP would be lamenting his decision. He is way too results oriented.

Actually the fact they showed up with Q8s and AJo makes it possibly a call. This is not a clear cut spot because their preflop ranges here are so skewed that it's very difficult to assign proper ranges. OP needs a little under 22% equity to call and if you give them both all the sets, J9s, T8s, QTs and Q8s plus AJ (which clearly is in there) and about 10 combinations of clubs then it's already 21%.

Note if even one of them ever has AQ here the equity shoots up over 24%. Really need much more info to make the proper ranging but this isn't an "easy" fold. Or call for that matter. I've assigned 4% and 5,5% GII ranges so it's not like I'm opening the trash can here to fill up their ranges to make it seem close.

Oh btw I check this flop...

I'll save 6bet some time in his (hopefully) trolling response: "if I checked, I wouldn't have known where I was".

Meh - I hear you in the sense that it is a lot easier for villain to have the nuts on the 3457 board.

I was more referring to the action I guess. Both villains making aggressive actions, and comes around to you with KK.

Yeah I think it's close, might even be a call. I didn't want to appear too contrarian as OP already thinks everyone just decides he has made the wrong decision regardless of what he does.

Very possible in kangaroo land people show up with enough nonsense like AJ QX calling is correct. Haven't really looked into ranges / EV calcs on this one but seems plausible. Need more info on villains IMO.

Its the easiest fold ever.

Did you read past my post or did you read it and I am missing something crucial?

Funnily enough, I had recently played a bunch of hands against both of these villains, so I can give you pretty good info:

"Loose reg" - the player who initially raised to $20 UTG then x/jammed the flop: he was actually the same guy from my previous session when I had KK and I checked the 7543 board and he bet $250. Pretty funny coincidence.

Other villain - he was the guy from H1 and H3 who loved to make small flop raises in position with marginal hands. Although for some reason, I actually believed he had it this time.

We probably save ourselves something here with the fold (I think? I don't play nosebleeds). But it isn't remotely close to $350.

ETA: If I've done the math right, in the results oriented as-it-actually-is case we saved ourselves about $80. Expand some ranges and it's probably even less than that (although still likely a nice fold).

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6,

Folding the 4578 or whatever on the turn and then folding QT8cc on the flop against the opponents and action described is completely backwards.

You mean calling the first one

Beat me to it.

There’s a lot more draws on the latter for you to be ahead of and you still have equity against hands that have you beat right now.

Both are probably folds in a soft live game where multiple people are showing aggression though.

Since we're shooting the breeze in 6B's epic thread, we always stay at one of the four beachfront Marriott properties, which are just a short walk up the beach from the Holiday Inn (interesting to walk back along the beach in the dead of night with thousands of dollars in my pocket sometimes...it seems very safe here).

I've never witnessed any violence or much anger here: the locals seems very chill as they donk off their money at poker (most play an easy-to-beat loose-passive style, with the odd aggro-monkey, and very few competent regs)

Story from last night's 2/5 game:

I was stuck around $400 and down to my last $150 of cash, thinking it would be a bad night, when this drunk whale sat down two to my right (sweet manna from heaven!). After watching him play (and win) a few hands by raising pre, betting around 2X pot on the flop, etc. I dashed to the ATM machine, somewhat disappointed it was max $300 with $10 fee, but ok let's try adding that, then promptly lost it trying to beat the whale in a couple of pots, now stuck $700, went back to the ATM for another $300.

I then sat mostly folding for over 2 hours, while I watched the entertainment this whale was providing (he decimated the fairly competent reg who had taken most of my money earlier in the evening and was sitting with around $1500 before he hit a few bad spots. He still had around $800, me with $485, and another old very bad reg fish with $460, when this hand occurred:

UTG straddles, I limp UTG+1 with 33 (because it looks like AA after most of what I've seen for the past two hours, and I figure if I can flop a set I can stack-a-whale), old bad reg calls, competent reg button calls, SB calls, whale calls from the BB and straddle checks his option.

Flop ($60) A34 whale leads for $50, I call (praying for the board to pair on the turn), bad reg calls.
Turn ($210 - $14 = $196) 4 whale leads for $100, I call $100 (staying calm on the outside while doing cartwheels inside!), bag reg calls.
River ($496) 6 whale leads for $300 (thank you poker gods), I ship $325, bad reg says "it's time to go home" and calls off his last $300, whale calls, I show him the bad news and he mucks, old man says he had just the Q and I scoop $1,400 pot to save my evening

6,


Obv I meant to write “Calling the 4578” there.

I disagree. QT8 flops should smash their range way harder than 754 flops when they've called a large 3bet preflop. So it's easier to get away on the QT8.

aruba sounds like a dope pokercation spot. is there 2/5 every night? 5/10+ ever run?

That's actually the perfect tl;dr for the thread. Can we just change the thread title to "OP disagrees"?

What are you talking about? They have all the sets and a good amount of 6x on the 7548. Against these you have ~no equity. Yes sometimes you'll run amazingly and they'll both manage to have flush draws. The QT8, they do not have all of the sets (QQ is going to 4 bet a lot) and a lot more draws. You also have some outs vs QT, and they rarely have you completely dead with J9

Alright then.

Kelvis, damn you for beating me to this.

6b, you don't seem to understand the concept of equity. If you want to argue that you do, then you lack knowledge of ranges. It's either both, one, or the other. It can't be neither.

I disagree.

Serious question : how hard is it for you to admit your are wrong in your life 6bet?

This was your first mistake



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