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05-24-2018 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
This isn't true. I have a bunch of poker friends and some of them are genuine crushers. My closest friend can beat midstakes online and I discuss a tonne of strategy with him. I met up with him last night and I'm meeting him today too.
No offence, but why do you still play so bad then?
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05-24-2018 , 10:55 PM
It's good that you have a friend that beats midstakes online. He can probably help you with many concepts and fundamentals. However, online and live low stakes are different beasts and you'd be wise to leverage the knowledge of someone that has crushed the limits you will be playing over a significant sample size.

BTW, hate your bet sizing.
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05-24-2018 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Maybe my bet sizing was slightly wrong (although I can justify the bet sizing:

Wrong but I can justify it.

Nothing sums up everything you’ve said in this thread better. You constantly make bad decision after bad decision but justify it to yourself.

Just wow.



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05-24-2018 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
No offence, but why do you still play so bad then?
So according to people on 2p2:
1) Anyone who bluffs 2 or more streets is a "spewy player"
2) Anyone who makes a hero call is a "spewy player"
3) Anyone who picks a bet sizing that isn't between 50% and 90% pot is suffering from "fancy play syndrome"
4) Anyone who plays a game that they only have 20 buyins for has "no bankroll management whatsoever"
5) Anyone who tilts occassionally has "no discipline" and "will never make it as a pro"

If I play so bad, then why am I winning so much at 1/3 NL, 2/5 NL and 1/3 PLO?

I know that a huge portion of my winnings this year have come down to positive variance, rather than skill, but it would be wrong to attribute my entire winnings this year purely to run good. I must be doing at least something right.

And even if there are certainly aspects of my game, both on a technicality level and on a psychological level, that could be improved, I don't believe for a second that I'm an "awful, spewy, bad player" like most people here seems to think I am.
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05-25-2018 , 12:40 AM
More run good at 1/3 PLO

So I woke up super early yesterday, due to the landlord doing their bi-yearly inspection of our apartment. Since the place I live in is overcrowded, we all have to evacuate our apartment and make it look like only 1 person is living there whenever the inspection takes place. It kind of sucks to feel like Anne Frank hiding from the Nazi's in my own home, but oh well, I guess this is the price you pay to live in an apartment this cheap relative to the location.

So I spent some time with my girlfriend, had breakfast at a nice cafe, then took her to the train station to go to work. Immediately afterwards, I rush to the casino and as my luck would have it, the 1/3 PLO game is just getting up as I arrive.

I play for 4hrs and make $410 profit. Having a massive maniac whale to my direct left helped a bit, both money-wise and entertainment-wise.

Then I met up with my girlfriend again and we had lunch together. As anyone from Melbourne might know, there's an infamous Chinese restaurant known as "crazy wings" which sells the spiciest food in the whole city. It's these chicken wings which are loaded with habanero chillis (300,000 Scoville Heat Units - about 10 times hotter than Tobasco Sauce). I can barely eat them, but my girlfriend can eat multiple of them without needing any water and without showing any signs of weakness. I always laugh when I see a big tough middle aged guy pretty much crying whilst trying to eat a single crazy wing, meanwhile, this tiny little Asian girl is handling them like a boss.

After that, I ran some errands, did some grocery shopping, took my girlfriend home, met up with one of my mates and we went out to a home game together to play some 1/3 PLO. It was a really nice apartment and a really well ran game all in all. The only downside was that the game was extremely reg heavy. It was significantly tougher and nittier than the 1/3 PLO game at my casino. Nonetheless, I ran super hot, got a few bluffs through, made hero calls at the right moments and got really nice river cards. I was 2k up at the home game, but then I did some flips and bomb pots at the very end and lost a bit there, so I ultimately left $1550 up.

So in total, I managed to make $1960 profit yesterday at the 1/3 PLO. Now I'm $14,286 up at live poker and my bankroll is a little over $10k. I'm ready to take some more shots at 2/5 NL and 1/3 PLO now, which are my favourite games to play. I feel that my win rate is higher at these games than it is at the 1/3 NL, and they're the highest games that run almost 24/7, hence the urge to reach these stakes ASAP.
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05-25-2018 , 01:16 AM
Good work OP.

Earlier this week your roll was at $7k. You won $2k in your most recent sessions. When did you win the other $1k?
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05-25-2018 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me

I will continue working my current job (pizza delivery driver) and playing $1/$3 and $2/$5 at the casino until I have a $30k bankroll. Then I will quit my job and just grind full-time.


My bankroll limits will be:
Less than 10k: Grind $1/$3 live and 25nl online
10k to 20k: Grind mostly $1/$3 live but take shots at $2/$5 when the games appear juicy. Grind whatever stakes I can beat online.
20k to 50k: Grind mostly $2/$5 live but take shots at $5/$10 when the games appear juicy. Grind whatever stakes I can beat online.
50k to 100k: Grind mostly $5/$10 live but take 1 buyin shots at $10/$20 whenever it runs. Grind whatever stakes I can beat online.
100k+: Grind whatever the highest live game I can find runs, up to $10/$20. Grind whatever stakes I can beat online. Potentially get into PLO too for more game variety.
so what ever happened to this? actually a good plan. with decent brm
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05-25-2018 , 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Good work OP.

Earlier this week your roll was at $7k. You won $2k in your most recent sessions. When did you win the other $1k?
Thanks man.

Well I just got paid $400 from work yesterday and I won a little bit the day before, but it was only a couple hundred and nothing really interesting happened, so I didn't bother posting about it.

It's hard for me to say exactly what my bankroll is because I've got some money in different places. For example, a mate owes me $440 and I expect that money back reasonably soon (a bunch of other people owe me money too, but I'm not including that because I don't expect them to pay me back in the near future, if at all). I've also got access to a 1k overdraft which I can withdraw anytime I want, so I'm not sure whether to include that or not.

If we include the 1k overdraft, include the $440 loan, but don't include the $1500 emergency funds, then my bankroll would've been at $10,700 as of this morning (including my liferoll). But I'm currently playing a session and I don't know what the results of this are going to be. Since there's so many day-to-day fluctuations, I think it's not worth me keeping an exact count of my bankroll, but rather, I should just have a rough estimate of what my roll is and then try to ignore small fluctuations.
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05-25-2018 , 01:39 AM
Only OP would feel somewhat justified in making a genuine comparison with Anne Frank, hahaha.

You ate out twice that day with your girlfriend, probably paid her train ticket and I am 100% sure you spent twice the amount you normally spent on those groceries, buying unnecessary ****. Yo girl better suck yo dick with all dat do you spending



Serious question:

Have you considered any advice I have given you so far? What are your thoughts?
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05-25-2018 , 01:40 AM
When you're dealing with your bankroll, if you can't physically put your hands on it within an hour, it's not there.

Don't ever count overdraft as part of anything. That's an expensive line of credit used to cover accidental or emergency spending. It's not 1k free money.

Also, if you're going to be apartment/house hunting, you're not going to want to be showing heavy or recent activity on your overdraft.
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05-25-2018 , 02:03 AM
Less impenetrable logic, more 500$ flips/bomb pots with 10k life roll.
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05-25-2018 , 02:41 AM
After reading many of OP's posts over past couple months in other threads, I am 95% sure hes trolling everyone, go check for yourselves and compare the person talking in other threads vs here. There are either 2 people on his account, one decent one and OP here, or hes purposely messing with us and playing dumb in order to illicit reactions for his own amusement.

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05-25-2018 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
So I woke up super early yesterday, due to the landlord doing their bi-yearly inspection of our apartment. Since the place I live in is overcrowded, we all have to evacuate our apartment and make it look like only 1 person is living there whenever the inspection takes place. It kind of sucks to feel like Anne Frank hiding from the Nazi's in my own home, but oh well,

Comparing yourself to Anne Frank? Can’t decide if this is offensive, ignorant, blatant trolling or some combo.

Doomswitch, activate!
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05-25-2018 , 03:29 AM
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05-25-2018 , 03:49 AM
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05-25-2018 , 04:51 AM
I feel like I'm part of a TV drama with twists and turns all over the plCe. I was sure this wasn't a troll but now I have no idea. Why did you take your gf to a nice cafe and not just a normal one? Then you took her out for lunch?
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05-25-2018 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DianeAbbott
I feel like I'm part of a TV drama with twists and turns all over the plCe. I was sure this wasn't a troll but now I have no idea. Why did you take your gf to a nice cafe and not just a normal one? Then you took her out for lunch?
why do you care
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05-25-2018 , 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by preki
why do you care
Because OP gives it all the talk about how he wants to stick to BRM, limit his spending, how he's going to be a successful pro laughing looking back at this thread etc when all he's done so far is run good in higher stake games, quit his job and spend thousands on luxuries while comparing himself to Anne Frank. I cared about the path he was taking for a while, now I just check into this thread for the ****s and giggles.
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05-25-2018 , 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
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If I play so bad, then why am I winning so much at 1/3 NL, 2/5 NL and 1/3 PLO?
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I believe I asked this before and you never answered, you just keep posting your yearly total profit:

What is your actual win rate in bb/hr or $/hr at each stake, and total hours at each stake? Or don't you know/track it?
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05-25-2018 , 07:21 AM
OP seems to put too much effort and detail into his posts to be a troll imo. Seems like a genuine degenerate.
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05-25-2018 , 07:28 AM
@Crown: yes I've read everything that you posted and I took on some of the advice. But the one thing I won't listen to is people telling me to give up on my dreams and quit. I'm not a quitter. If things aren't working out, then I just need to try harder. I need to improve myself until I can make it. Giving up is for losers.

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Originally Posted by fozzy71
I believe I asked this before and you never answered, you just keep posting your yearly total profit:

What is your actual win rate in bb/hr or $/hr at each stake, and total hours at each stake? Or don't you know/track it?
I haven't tracked the number of hours I've played this year. I'm going to start tracking everything in much more detail using a poker app starting from the day I go pro (end of next week). So far, I've only tracked profit.

I can estimate that I've averaged around 5hrs per week for the first 10 weeks of the year and then 20hrs per week for the past 10 weeks. So that would mean around 250hrs of playing time and 14k profit, which is around $55/hr. Most of the profit came from 2/5 NL, but a decent chunk came from 1/3 PLO and 1/3 NL too.

If I had to guess what my long-term win rates are, I'd say around $30/hr at 1/3 NL and $40/hr at 2/5 NL and 1/3 PLO, assuming I don't go on major tilt. But we'll start seeing better records from the end of next week onwards.
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05-25-2018 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
@Crown: yes I've read everything that you posted and I took on some of the advice. But the one thing I won't listen to is people telling me to give up on my dreams and quit. I'm not a quitter. If things aren't working out, then I just need to try harder. I need to improve myself until I can make it. Giving up is for losers.



I haven't tracked the number of hours I've played this year. I'm going to start tracking everything in much more detail using a poker app starting from the day I go pro (end of next week). So far, I've only tracked profit.

I can estimate that I've averaged around 5hrs per week for the first 10 weeks of the year and then 20hrs per week for the past 10 weeks. So that would mean around 250hrs of playing time and 14k profit, which is around $55/hr. Most of the profit came from 2/5 NL, but a decent chunk came from 1/3 PLO and 1/3 NL too.

If I had to guess what my long-term win rates are, I'd say around $30/hr at 1/3 NL and $40/hr at 2/5 NL and 1/3 PLO, assuming I don't go on major tilt. But we'll start seeing better records from the end of next week onwards.
If I had to guess Id say not a chance on Gods green earth.
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05-25-2018 , 08:21 AM
Lost $1100 at 1/3 today

Today I played a 7hr session of 1/3 NL at the casino. It was a soft table, very loose-passive and lots of big multiway pots, but I got coolered a few times and lost $1100. I posted some hands in the LLSNL subforum of some fairly tough spots I had.

Okay technically I only lost $1040 at 1/3. I also lost $60 at some stupid daily MTT which I played just for the lulz. I late rego'd and had literally 3.5 big blinds at the time of sitting down. Jammed A7o into KTdd and busted.

In one hand, I ran a set into a flush and lost $700 that hand when the board refused to pair. In another hand, I ran top 2pr into a flopped straight. I lost $250 that hand but could've easily lost my whole stack ($700) if I didn't make a hero fold. A third hand, I ran AT into god knows what on an A773 board. I folded to a huge turn raise and I'm pretty happy with my fold, but I lost at least $200 that hand regardless. And in a fourth hand, I jammed a 12-outer draw on the flop (46% equity) and bricked out to lose another $300 there. Those were the 4 main pots I lost.

I took a weird line one hand when I 3bet KJhh pre then jammed 3.5x the pot ($260 into $75) on a Qh 4h 4s flop. I might post the full hand history later but I'm a bit tired atm.

One thing I'm proud of myself for is getting up and leaving at the end. I could've stayed when I was tired and somewhat tilted. I could've tried to justify it like "I'm not playing that badly, and it's a Friday night so I should keep playing in case a drunk recreational player shows up." But I knew I was tilted and tired. I knew I didn't want to be there. I knew that my VPIP was going up more and more as I started losing. And I knew it was time to rack up and leave.

Total live profit: $13,186

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05-25-2018 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Since the place I live in is overcrowded, we all have to evacuate our apartment and make it look like only 1 person is living there whenever the inspection takes place. It kind of sucks to feel like Anne Frank hiding from the Nazi's in my own home, but oh well, I guess this is the price you pay to live in an apartment this cheap relative to the location.
5 star thread, its not close
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05-25-2018 , 09:19 AM
+1 to mandatory 5 stars. Ban for people who downvoted it to 4 imo.
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