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11-15-2018 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
lol mirage if you think bots are punting, bots are pretty much the top regs, just because you can't understand what they're doing doesn't mean they are punting
Reading comprehension is your friend.

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Originally Posted by mirage01
I used to think the ridiculous punts I saw on zone were just misfiring bots because I failed to believe any human brain could be that ******ed, but thankfully OP has now enlightened me on the matter. They were in reality just doing a 6bet.
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11-15-2018 , 03:02 AM
1) Volume.

I agree the casino can feel gross after awhile, but I never felt like 8-10 hour sessions felt long. Especially when the action is good! Just have to be at peace at the table, which is an entirely separate issue from regularly getting to the table hah.

FWIW, if you're finding it difficult to put in live volume, you'll probably find higher stakes zone volume even more difficult. It is mentally draining and demanding in different ways.

My advice would be to embrace whatever routine (sleep, etc) comes naturally, regardless of which hours, as long as you're putting in lots of hours at the table.

2) Less focus on individual hands.

If you're not analyzing a hand in the larger context of your range and the player pool, then you're probably just wasting time. Individual decisions are less important for learning than strategic planning and sound fundamentals. Focusing on individual hands also allows folks to be way more results oriented, and generally more concerned with short term results, than they should be.

3) The Zone pool does feel very strange at times, but as has been said there is an important difference between donk lines. This is why god created mass data.
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11-15-2018 , 03:02 AM
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OK, I don´t play online NLT, but trying to value-shove (?) one pair on a co-ordinated, three-to-a-straight, three-to-a-flush board when V donks 3/4 pot on the river is ****ing ******ed.
FYP

PS

So is his logic

PPS

That KK hand and the accompanying B/S logic more than anything to date screams:

[X] 6bet me is a fish
[X] 6bet me is trolling

I think I'll rest a while ... there has to be an end game to this...I guess when op gets bored and just ***** off.

Last edited by Fatboy54; 11-15-2018 at 03:08 AM.
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11-15-2018 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by CC96
OP has a bad case of thinking that everybody is out to bluff him. Just because you play that way OP doesn't mean the general population does.
Nailed it. This is probably a more succinct and efficient way to express the sentiment I was trying to express in a previous post.

It's like he only tries to think of ways that it's unlikely for villain to have a good hand but never wants to consider that it's waaay more unlikely they're bluffing.
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11-15-2018 , 04:23 AM
I do 12 hour sessions live as standard, if I was playing full time I'd exceed 6bets weekly volume in 2 days. Hell if I worked part time I'd do more hours than 6bet and I live 90 minutes from the casino, not a 10 minute stroll.
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11-15-2018 , 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
I do 12 hour sessions live as standard, if I was playing full time I'd exceed 6bets weekly volume in 2 days. Hell if I worked part time I'd do more hours than 6bet and I live 90 minutes from the casino, not a 10 minute stroll.
Congratulations?
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11-15-2018 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
One can get burned out when poker is a job but OP burned out in record time. I thought I was terrible about volume but while there were times I would put in 4 hour sessions there were other times I would put in 20+ hour sessions. If games are good a lot of the true grinders never leave. I know a grinder that recently made $20k+ playing a 24+ hour 5/T session. I know another that sat at Wynn 2/5 with $500 with the intention of playing until he profited $5k. After 30+ hours he met his goal. However, if he had needed 60 hours to reach his goal he would have played for 60+ hours straight because that amount of volume is not unusual for him at all.

It's generally not advisable to play to get back to even but at least you get some volume in. I know a player that always did this and one time he made a stupid play shoving QQ into AA for $2k (200bbs) towards the beginning of a session Thursday night. He continued to play the rest of Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday until early Monday morning when he finally got back to even. 75+hrs straight.
You say this like it's something to be proud of, but let's face it, this is just dumb.
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11-15-2018 , 05:00 AM
The problem with having this thread, the loan, and not playing after midnight is that when you play for the short time you do you are going to be feeling under pressure to book a win which will lead to you trying to win pots that should be a trivial fold.
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11-15-2018 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
You say this like it's something to be proud of, but let's face it, this is just dumb.
You say it's dumb but the player I referenced that did that at Wynn regularly plays straight through from Thursday through Saturday and he crushes it. $15k/months are very normal for him in a $500 cap 2/5 game and he still has most of the week free to recreate.

Playing long hours until you are back to even is generally not advisable but it's still better than putting minimal hours in like OP as long as you can stay focused for long hours.
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11-15-2018 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Playing long hours until you are back to even is generally not advisable but it's still better than putting minimal hours in like OP as long as you can stay focused for long hours.
Minimal? Who can possibly work 40 hours and not get bored?!?!?! I can just imagine his reaction when he has to work a regular 40 hour job that has no excitement and little room to move up. Oh wait, we already saw it!



Tick tock, 6b. Don't get there again.
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11-15-2018 , 06:14 AM
$460 win in 3.75hrs at 2/5 live

Played a somewhat short session today (3.75hrs) and cashed out $460 profit. Slightly disappointed though, since I was $1200 up at one stage, but then made some questionable plays which cost me quite a bit. This is part of what caused me to quit my session early: I didn't want to risk "booking a loss" after previously being $1200 up, so the moment I started losing some big pots, I got scared and cashed out whilst I was still up... I need to fix this mentality.

I got involved in a lot of big pots today. I can't list them all, so I'll just pick 6 random ones:

Hand 1: Hero call

$500 effective
Villain raises $25 UTG+2
Hero 3bets $80 HJ with Ad Ks
Villain calls $80

Flop ($152) Ts 9c 3d

Villain checks
Hero bets $50
Villain calls $50

Turn ($252) Ts 9c 3d 5c

Both check

River ($252) Ts 9c 3d 5c 9h

Villain bets $110 then stares at me
Hero calls $110

Spoiler:
Villain shows AJ and we scoop a $472 pot


Hand 2: Hero calling the same villain

$500 effective
Hero raises $20 UTG with Ts Th
CO calls $20
BTN calls $20 (same villain from hand 1)

Flop ($61, 3ways) 8c 7c 7d

Hero bets $25
Both call $25

Turn ($128, 3ways) 8c 7c 7d Qh

All check

River ($128, 3ways) 8c 7c 7d Qh 6d

Hero checks
CO checks
BTN bets $80
Hero calls $80
CO tank folds

Spoiler:
BTN shows AKo and we scoop a $287 pot


Hand 3: Both chasing draws

$500 effective
Hero raises $20 UTG+2 with JTdd
Villain calls $20 MP
CO calls $20

Flop ($61, 3ways) Ad Qc 5d

Hero bets $25
Villain calls $25
CO folds

Turn ($106) Ad Qc 5d Th

Hero checks
Villain bets $40
Hero raises to $175
Villain 3bets $310
Hero calls $310

River ($722) Ad Qc 5d Th 9d

Hero donk jams $145
Villain calls $145

Spoiler:
Our flush is good. We scoop a 1k pot.
Villain later tells me he had KJ.


Hand 4: Fighting fire with fire

$650 effective
HJ opens $15
CO calls $15
BTN calls $15
Hero 3bets $90 BB with AKcc
HJ calls $90
CO calls $90

Flop ($272, 3ways) Ah 8d 5h

Hero bets $80
HJ raises to $240
CO folds
Hero 3bet jams $570

Spoiler:
HJ folds
That will teach him not to spazz over my tiny flop Cbet LOL.


Hand 5: A bit spewy

$560 effective
4 limpers
Hero raises $40 BB with Jc Js
2 callers

Flop ($115, 3ways) 8c 5c 4c

Hero checks
UTG+1 bets $40
CO folds
Hero jams $540

I think I misplayed this... should've cbet small instead, and folded if anyone raised flop.

Spoiler:
UTG+1 calls $540
UTG+1 shows 55 (set) and holds


Hand 6: Should've just barreled

$900 effective
UTG limps $5
MP raises $30
Hero 3bets $120 SB with KQss
UTG calls $120
MP tank folds

Slightly confused by his decision to limp-coldcall $120... I thought he might be trapping with JJ-AA, but he also might just have a medium strength hand like 77-TT or any suited broadways that he just wants to go for the royal flush jackpot with.

Flop ($262) Ts 3d 2c

Hero bets $75
UTG calls $75

He looked like he was about to fold, even double checked his cards, then eventually sigh called.

Turn ($412) Ts 3d 2c 2s

Hero checks (planning to x/jam)
UTG quickly checks

I think this was a mistake. I should've just barreled like $250 instead. People tend to get more scared/passive in huge pots, so I can't expect him to overstab here.

River ($412) Ts 3d 2c 2s 4h

Both check

Spoiler:
UTG shows 66 and wins


I plan to do something else poker-related tonight; whether it's playing online, studying pio, watching poker videos, or even returning to the casino for round 2.
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11-15-2018 , 06:33 AM
You've been reading simplericks thread too much with that JJ hand

Also lol at that villain in first two hands. Guy seems terrible
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11-15-2018 , 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by blankoblanco
Congratulations?
It's not a big deal by any means, what I'm saying is that even someone with half a work ethic would still be doing twice what OP is doing.
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11-15-2018 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me

Hand 3: Both chasing draws

$500 effective
Hero raises $20 UTG+2 with JTdd
Villain calls $20 MP
CO calls $20

Flop ($61, 3ways) Ad Qc 5d

Hero bets $25
Villain calls $25
CO folds

Turn ($106) Ad Qc 5d Th

Hero checks
Villain bets $40
Hero raises to $175
Villain 3bets $310
Hero calls $310

River ($722) Ad Qc 5d Th 9d

Hero donk jams $145
Villain calls $145

Spoiler:
Our flush is good. We scoop a 1k pot.
Villain later tells me he had KJ.

You're getting too tricky on the turn. Just bet/call or check/call. Most of your lines should be for value not deception. (edit: now that i realize how little you had behind even more reason to play the pot small on the turn).

edit: nevermind about the betsize on the river being too small. You jammed.

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Hand 5: A bit spewy

$560 effective
4 limpers
Hero raises $40 BB with Jc Js
2 callers

Flop ($115, 3ways) 8c 5c 4c

Hero checks
UTG+1 bets $40
CO folds
Hero jams $540

I think I misplayed this... should've cbet small instead, and folded if anyone raised flop.

Spoiler:
UTG+1 calls $540
UTG+1 shows 55 (set) and holds
Small pots for small hands. You're going on a suicide mission with these sort of lines with hands that have showdown but are rarely ahead in a massive pot.

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Hand 6: Should've just barreled

$900 effective
UTG limps $5
MP raises $30
Hero 3bets $120 SB with KQss
UTG calls $120
MP tank folds

Slightly confused by his decision to limp-coldcall $120... I thought he might be trapping with JJ-AA, but he also might just have a medium strength hand like 77-TT or any suited broadways that he just wants to go for the royal flush jackpot with.

Flop ($262) Ts 3d 2c

Hero bets $75
UTG calls $75

He looked like he was about to fold, even double checked his cards, then eventually sigh called.

Turn ($412) Ts 3d 2c 2s

Hero checks (planning to x/jam)
UTG quickly checks

I think this was a mistake. I should've just barreled like $250 instead. People tend to get more scared/passive in huge pots, so I can't expect him to overstab here.

River ($412) Ts 3d 2c 2s 4h

Both check

Spoiler:
UTG shows 66 and wins
Hopefully you understand that you can fold pre but as played I can't really fault you too much in this spot considering the turned equity.
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11-15-2018 , 06:50 AM
It’s a jam on the river.
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11-15-2018 , 07:09 AM
H1 check flop
H3 call turn
H5 call flop
H6 c/c most sizings ott
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11-15-2018 , 07:12 AM
How many hours this week OP? Why the short session, you had a day off yesterday.
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11-15-2018 , 07:17 AM
Hand 3 stands out as really bad.
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11-15-2018 , 07:39 AM
90% of the time I play live low stakes poker its just me waiting for huge value hands to stack fish.

OP plays for 3 hours and somehow there are 3 check shove attempts with draws
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11-15-2018 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Played a somewhat short session today (3.75hrs)

Wouldn't this be a marathon session for you?
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11-15-2018 , 09:00 AM
Running sims with pio and playing like this

Man, some of these HHs really crack me up.

Judging from the way you describe your sessions, your mental game is all over the place.

You should forget about GTO and just learn how to adjust to your opponents, but you seem to think you're just a few sims away from plugging the leaks in your fundamental approach to the game.
By now even you should have realized, that you make basic mistakes. You should look at these hands and NOT say to yourself "well, you know...I got a bit spewy here. But I'm doing this at a low frequency and villain was drinking a beer, so it's ok." WTF with those justifications, man. Your self serving way of thinking is just the antidote to your success. You are lying to yourself all the time without even realizing it ITT.

You should be embarrassed and say something like this to yourself: "oh man, I really ****ed that one up, what was I thinking? I'm gonna study every day and not allow myself to ever make this kind of mistake again." That's the only way to do it. Time to wake up. Blah Blah Blah.

Never heard the words "royal flush jackpot" in a hand-analysis before lulz, but I don't play live so that's that...
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11-15-2018 , 09:28 AM
Lol has anyone ever gone into the hand for a 'royal flush jackpot'? It's the first time I've heard of that term


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11-15-2018 , 09:34 AM
Yeah, hand 3 blows. Why do you even give it the title of “Both chasing draws”?

Floating a small c-bet with a gutter to the nuts, is not the same as shoveling most of your stack with only one card left to be dealt.

Realize your equity at odds that are favorable to you. This is the basics of level 2 poker, imo.

Hand should be called “I tried to stack off, but the dealer saved me.”
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11-15-2018 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob_
Lol has anyone ever gone into the hand for a 'royal flush jackpot'?
No need because you're already playing all those royal flush hands while just trying to hit the bad beat jackpot.
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11-15-2018 , 09:52 AM
Hand 5 is lol bad.

There is ~150 in the pot and you jam for 540(?!?)

What do you ever think calls this that is behind you?

Do players routinely level themselves into calling 2.5x pot sized shoves with marginal hands in your games?
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