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11-07-2018 , 09:55 PM
OP is all sizzle no steak.

Buzzword buzzword buzzword blah blah blah.

It’s Groundhog Day ITT.


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11-07-2018 , 10:20 PM
Driving friend > than delivering pizzas > than playing 2/5 > 1/3 > 25nl
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11-07-2018 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Fodersneso
driving lesson...285$...mum's car...back seat adventure...2 Birds 1 Stone

OP is trying to tell us in a political correct way, that he finally pimped out his GF.
No wtf?

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Originally Posted by MMSS
The saddest thing in this thread isn't OP it's the fact you are all hopelessly racist against his gf. Think of how **** her life must be if she is still sitting on OP's dick for £10 credit.
Wtf?

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Originally Posted by tgiggity
200 kilometers takes what, 2 hours to cover?

Spoiler:
does your friend take a long time to cum?
You don't average 100km/h when you're driving in suburban roads with someone who's learning to drive...

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Originally Posted by .isolated
Yes, those two things. One of which you won't ever do and the other which you don't have. Good plan!

Once again, stop talking about something and just do it. You talked about getting PIO in June too. This is something I'd fully expect you to waste your money on because it'd make you feel like a big boy. No I don't think it's a waste of money, either. But it's a waste of money for you since you'll use it twice at the max and give up.
I am more patient and disciplined than people give me credit for.

Yeah the only thing holding me back is the fear that I might only use it a few times, so I want to be sure first. Also, I need to decide which version to buy (the basic costs $250, pro costs $480 and edge costs $1100). I'm leaning towards going all-in and buying the edge, so that I can solve preflop spots too, but I still need to think about it.

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Instead of poker you should just drive your friend around all the time. $70k/year.
It's only whilst he is practicing for his driving test.
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11-07-2018 , 10:59 PM
In your current situation, preflop is probably not worth it. Your preflop strategy can be built fairly well through other inexpensive means, especially for live 2-5.

I'd recommend Edge if you actually do at least an hour a day working with it. IIRC node locking requires Edge, and that is the most instructive part of PIO imo. There is a learning curve, however.

The vast majority of money will come from fixing postflop leaks (assuming your preflop ranges aren't completely off base).

Any serious Ignition 25NL+ zone reg has tailored their strategies through a combo of PIO and pool data. If you're playing those games without simming then you're at a significant disadvantage. Doubly so because you do not know it. Exception being folks coming into the games with solid fundamentals.

On the other hand, PIO may not be the best short term investment for live games. A couple sessions with a reputable live coach may be a better investment. Make sure your preflop ranges are right given the rake. Start folding more in all streets. Then just do the work.
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11-07-2018 , 11:02 PM
6,

Surprised you’re even considering getting any version other than Edge.
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11-07-2018 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Nah I actually took my friend on a driving lesson yesterday. He generously paid me $285 for the day. It was a fun trip. I borrowed my mum's car for the day and I had my girlfriend sitting in the back seat the whole time, since she had a day off work and she wanted to go on an adventure somewhere. So we killed 2 birds with 1 stone. I also got to discuss a lot of poker with my friend (he's also my online coach) as he drove, which was another hidden benefit.
What could you teach someone going on a cruise? 'Stay in your lane'? In what universe does it take 7 hours to cover 200km? Why would he pay you a ridiculous amount of money for a road trip 'driving lesson' when he can hire a sports car all day for $40? Surely all your mates aren't as thick as you? Why does literally everything you write involve rampant stupidity?


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You don't average 100km/h when you're driving in suburban roads with someone who's learning to drive...
So your gf's idea of an 'adventure' and 'fun trip' on her day off is to drive around melbourne suburbs in the back seat of your mums car for 8 hours?

Last edited by mirage01; 11-07-2018 at 11:12 PM.
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11-07-2018 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
How can you possibly say that someone who's seen the results is "obviously not being results-oriented"? No, it's not obvious at all.
It's obvious because every thread in the history of 2p2 live poker with double-digit posts has come up with a consensus to fold your hand in your situation, without results given. Is that good enough? They're saying it automatically because it's the most standard fold on ****ing earth and not because they're being results-oriented.

I'll reiterate one time: maybe you had the Rounders oreo read to make your call. Sure, whatever. But to suggest that it actually requires results-orientedness for everyone to say it's a bad call tells me that you don't have a clue. And it's just blatantly annoying because you're calling out people who are probably much better at the game than you are.
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11-07-2018 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Acceptance
Any serious Ignition 25NL+ zone reg has tailored their strategies through a combo of PIO and pool data. If you're playing those games without simming then you're at a significant disadvantage. Doubly so because you do not know it. Exception being folks coming into the games with solid fundamentals.

On the other hand, PIO may not be the best short term investment for live games. A couple sessions with a reputable live coach may be a better investment. Make sure your preflop ranges are right given the rake. Start folding more in all streets. Then just do the work.
I seriously doubt this. agree with the rest though
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11-07-2018 , 11:33 PM
You guys are mad disrespectful towards 6b’s girlfriend, it’s disgusting.
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11-07-2018 , 11:35 PM
Mirage,

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Originally Posted by mirage01
So your gf's idea of an 'adventure' and 'fun trip' on her day off is to drive around melbourne suburbs in the back seat of your mums car for 8 hours?

Maybe you missed the part where she got to listen to 6 and his friend talk about poker.
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11-07-2018 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DLuo
You guys are mad disrespectful towards 6b’s girlfriend, it’s disgusting.
No need to get triggered over people being disrespectful to a fictitious person.
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11-07-2018 , 11:48 PM
conversation :
6's coach "how'd you dust your stack this time, 6"
6 : "I flew too close to the sun with AT suited, got burned."
6's coach "Whoa, that variance is brutal, keep on grinding, you are my prized and only student. Also, get Pio edge and solve some 4bet spots, I think you'll find it will tell you to call AT suited from any position facing any action."
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11-07-2018 , 11:49 PM
LOL. Piosolver edge would literally be a money torch. He can't run preflop sims on his comp most likely. If he really needs pio and has a desktop + laptop he should buy pro for himself and run more intensive sims/ scripts 24/7 on his desktop and use his laptop for chilling, studying simple spots and viewing results from the sims.

If he only has 1 comp he should just share pio pro for like 250. All paid versions of pio have nodelocking.
250 version only has 1 activation and doesn't allow scripting. Buying the 250 is the worst option because scripting is a huge deal and you can just share the 500 dollar one with scripting for the same price or buy gto+ for 75 bucks. In 6B financial situation I would buy gto+.
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11-07-2018 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchIAmAMartian
If he only has 1 comp he should just buy another
fixed.
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11-08-2018 , 12:19 AM
All one needs to beat live 2/5 is a pulse and patience and all one needs to beat live 5/10 is Harrington on cash and more patience.

Lol pio
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11-08-2018 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
All one needs to beat live 2/5 is a pulse and patience and all one needs to beat live 5/10 is Harrington on cash and more patience.

Lol pio
OP doesnt want pio to beat the games. He wont use it. He won't learn from it. He just wants it because some crushers use it and then he can say he does too. It's about ego, nothing more. OP is the same player he was 6 months ago. Give him any tool he will be the same player in summer 2019.
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11-08-2018 , 01:16 AM
Ran my first ever sim!

So I just bought PioSolver pro. We split the cost 2ways and it was $341 AUD each. I was originally going to buy the edge version, but my friends convinced me that I wouldn't need it and that the pro version is the best value for money.

So anyway, I ran a simulation of a spot that's similar to the hand I played at 2/5 NL.

Scenario: I cold 4bet preflop, got 1 caller, and the SPR is slightly more than 1.

Flop ($300) Qc 8h 4c

Effective stack sizes: $350
My range = {JJ+, AK, AQs}
Villain's range = {99-QQ, AKo, AQo, AQs, AJs, ATs, KQs, QJs}
Betting options = $45, $75, $120, $350

Results: Pio recommends I play the following strategy:
- With JJ and QQ, I should bet $45 the majority of the time
- With KK, AA and AQs, I should bet $120 the majority of the time
- With AK, I should bet $45 half the time and $120 half the time
- I should rarely ever check flop and rarely ever jam flop

How I played in practice: I jammed with AKo and villain called with TT. My strategy was just to jam flop with my entire range, but Pio disagrees with this. The rare times that I do jam, Pio says that villain should be calling with 99/TT about 50% of the time, and he should be calling with JJ+ almost always. So villain seems to have played much closer to optimal here than hero did.

Really interesting to see this. I'm going to be doing a lot more experiments today.
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11-08-2018 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Really interesting to see this. I'm going to be doing a lot more experiments today.
Translation:

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I won't be putting in the hours I need to at $2/$5 tonight.
This will probably shock you but you could do the PIO stuff before or after work. I know it's as traumatic as cooking after work but I just wanna throw it out there.

Even on Mon-Wed is better since as you said the action sucks those days.
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11-08-2018 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Hand 1: The hand that got me stuck

$530 effective
UTG+2 raises $20
HJ 3bets $70
Hero cold 4bets $165 SB with Ac Ks
HJ calls $165

Flop ($340) Qs 7s 4c

Hero jams $365
HJ tank calls $365

Spoiler:
HJ shows TT and holds
^This is the hand I was referring to btw. The simulation I did was slightly different to this, but the overall point should be the same.

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Originally Posted by skuzlad
Hand 1: AcKs - Qs7s4c

You can either play this spot as a jam or a really small cbet (preferably 25%). If you have a jamming strategy you would check give up with your non spade AK and jam all your AK with a spade. But then you would have to jam all your AA, KK and JJ on the flop. Jamming AK with a spade here is actually marginally +EV and is not spew. You have really good equity vs calling range (I'm assuming calling range is QQ, JJ, TT, AQ, 99?) If villain ever folds any of these hands then you have a seriously +EV jam on flop.

Personally I would bet my range for 1/4 and then jam turns. If villain ever makes a mistake by folding to 1/4 you have a seriously profitable cbet.
Interesting to see how this advice is very similar to what Pio recommends.
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11-08-2018 , 01:29 AM
Apparently PioSolver has never played against level 1 live players that make their decisions solely based on whether they have a $120 hand or not, or Level 2 live players that think any weak bet is AK and any strong bet is an overpair.
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11-08-2018 , 01:43 AM
I wonder how a strategy where you jam KK AK spades and 50% AA. Bet small with 50% AA AK one spade AQ JJ and check QQ and other AK combos would fair in a live environment.

Or a strategy where you jam AQ+ and AK spades and check JJ QQ and AK%100
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11-08-2018 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BitchIAmAMartian
I wonder how a strategy where you jam KK AK spades and 50% AA. Bet small with 50% AA AK one spade AQ JJ and check QQ and other AK combos would fair in a live environment.

Or a strategy where you jam AQ+ and AK spades and check JJ QQ and AK%100
Hmm once I learn how to node lock, I'll experiment with stuff like this. But just by glancing at it, it seems that:

1st strategy: interesting. Villain could probably fold his entire range when faced with a jam (except QQ and flush draws), but it would be tough for him to react to a small bet or a check. I'm guessing he'd probably do a lot of checking/calling and not much betting/raising.

2nd strategy: villain could exploit this by folding his entire range (except QQ and flush draws) when faced with a jam and jamming his entire range when checked to.
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11-08-2018 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Ran my first ever sim!

Scenario: I cold 4bet preflop

My range = {JJ+, AK, AQs}
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

yeah no
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11-08-2018 , 02:38 AM
6bet I hope you wont let your fans down by ignoring my post..
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11-08-2018 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
What could you teach someone going on a cruise? 'Stay in your lane'? In what universe does it take 7 hours to cover 200km? Why would he pay you a ridiculous amount of money for a road trip 'driving lesson' when he can hire a sports car all day for $40? Surely all your mates aren't as thick as you? Why does literally everything you write involve rampant stupidity?
In Australia, you're not allowed to drive a car on your own when you're on a learner permit. You need someone teaching you. And driving isn't as simple as you're making it out to be. There's a lot of complexities, like knowing what to do when 3 lanes merges into 2 lanes, or what to do at a weird intersection or roundabout, or what to do when there's multiple lanes all turning right and you don't know which lane is the optimal one for you to stay in. It takes a lot of practice.

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Originally Posted by mirage01
So your gf's idea of an 'adventure' and 'fun trip' on her day off is to drive around melbourne suburbs in the back seat of your mums car for 8 hours?
We stopped at a restaurant and ate burgers and seafood by the beach. We weren't driving for the entire 8 hours. She seemed to have fun. She doesn't like staying at home all day, and this is a good opportunity for us to show her around different parts of Melbourne.

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Apparently PioSolver has never played against level 1 live players that make their decisions solely based on whether they have a $120 hand or not, or Level 2 live players that think any weak bet is AK and any strong bet is an overpair.
Well Pio says that if villain plays perfectly, then my EV is more than $200 out of the total pot ($300), since I have the range advantage. If villain chooses to play worse than perfectly, then I can win even more EV.

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Originally Posted by Kelvis
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

yeah no
I cold 4bet from the SB. What do you think my range is here? I think that {JJ+, AKo, AQs} is pretty reasonable. Maybe I could add a few combos of AQo, AJs and KQs too, but that's only going to make my EV go up even more on the Qxx flop.
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