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10-14-2018 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by robert_utk
WTF hand is he analyzing? I looked and can’t find it. If his analysis is correct, I will self-ban from thread.
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10-14-2018 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
6b, just advice for next time: you can't just not weight the hands that we lose to as well. Yes, we lose to 10 combos but he's raising some of those combos prior to the river so he doesn't actually have 10 combos of those hands. You have to figure that A2 is raising flop a bunch, A9 sometimes-mostly always. All of his hands that beat you are also raising some % ott.

Summary: the bet isn't as thin as you're making it out to be.
He cant weigh hands properly.
His hand reading ability is very poor because he is inexperienced.

He will have some large winning sessions. But he is also going to lose the majority of his sessions because he punts buyins with very poor holdings into tight 70 year olds.

I wish OP the best, but there are no indications here he is trying to get better as a player or improve his living conditions. There just isnt the right mindset here to win, never mind crush the game. He enjoys being super aggressive and the part of the game where you stack a bunch of people a night, but he doesnt have the requisite skill level to avoid punting as much as he wins.
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10-14-2018 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
post #4060


ELOHEL.

Last edited by robert_utk; 10-14-2018 at 12:14 AM. Reason: Yeah, definitely not self-banned.
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10-14-2018 , 12:19 AM
guys, 6bme doesn't need to get the max with the effective nuts. He makes up for it with his EV maximizing calls with "7 high"
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10-14-2018 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
He cant weigh hands properly.
His hand reading ability is very poor because he is inexperienced.

He will have some large winning sessions. But he is also going to lose the majority of his sessions because he punts buyins with very poor holdings into tight 70 year olds.

I wish OP the best, but there are no indications here he is trying to get better as a player or improve his living conditions. There just isnt the right mindset here to win, never mind crush the game. He enjoys being super aggressive and the part of the game where you stack a bunch of people a night, but he doesnt have the requisite skill level to avoid punting as much as he wins.
Majority of the time he should call down in position with his 2pr/sets. Sometimes he will raise though, true.

But I'm sure once you factor in the extra $275 I lose from river jams vs boats, combined with discounting a few combos like ATo/A6s that might not necessarily reach the river this way in a 3bet pot, you reach the same conclusion.
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10-14-2018 , 01:36 AM
Its a balanced jam online vs balanced players.

Versus 1/3 live population, its a fist pump in your face slam dunk jam.

Unless Venice10 says otherwise, I call total BS on your so called analysis.
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10-14-2018 , 01:37 AM
'game's so passive and soft' so we will counter by 3b calling it off with 76ss.
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10-14-2018 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Li
'game's so passive and soft' so we will counter by 3b calling it off with 76ss.
This happened in the distant past now, we are supposed to completely forget about this hand and admire 6bet's sick analysis of the AK hand.
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10-14-2018 , 06:00 AM
So, can we get some answers on the questions regarding if 1/3 live villains is adjusting or not?

OP claims they arent, but at the same time 3 bet/calls with 6-7 pre with the reasoning that villains will adjust to his spewy image and pay him off more in the future.
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10-14-2018 , 06:39 AM
Can we get an analysis on folding ak face up pre to the drunk dude?
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10-14-2018 , 07:16 AM
A fairly loose table

Played a 6hr session today and won $160. Had some swings along the way though. Played some big pots, one of which involves DLuo's brother as the villain. We'll see if you can guess which hand:

Hand 1: got a bit out of line here

$600 effective
4 limpers
Hero raises $30 SB with Ac Jd
Villain calls $30 BTN

Flop ($65) Td 3c 2c

Hero checks
Villain bets $30
Hero raises to $125
Villain calls $125

Turn ($307) Td 3c 2c Ah

Hero checks
Villain bets $200
Hero jams $440

Spoiler:
Villain tank folds and claims he had 98cc


I just figured I have a range advantage against a limp-caller, so I chose to play it super aggressively.

Hand 2: Standard semibluff

$480 effective
2 limpers
Villain raises $23 MP
Hero 3bets $85 SB with AKo
Villain calls $85

Flop ($164) QT4r

Hero bets $60
Villain calls $60

Turn ($284) QT47

Hero jams $335

Spoiler:
Villain tank folds and we show the semibluff


Again, I figured I have a range advantage, and with blockers to AQ/KQ, I thought it was a decent spot to jam.

Hand 3: This time, the villain spazzed out

Villain limps $3 UTG
Hero raises $18 HJ with KK
CO calls $18
Short-stacker jams $58 SB
Villain calls $58
Hero 4bets $160
CO folds
Villain 5bet jams $450
Hero snap calls $450

Spoiler:
Villain had 66
He flopped a set and scooped an almost 1k pot


After this particular hand, the villain told me that he thought I might have Ace King, hence why he jammed his low pocket pair.
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10-14-2018 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
A fairly loose table

Played a 6hr session today and won $160. Had some swings along the way though. Played some big pots, one of which involves DLuo's brother as the villain. We'll see if you can guess which hand:

Hand 1: got a bit out of line here

$600 effective
4 limpers
Hero raises $30 SB with Ac Jd
Villain calls $30 BTN

Flop ($65) Td 3c 2c

Hero checks
Villain bets $30
Hero raises to $125
Villain calls $125

Turn ($307) Td 3c 2c Ah

Hero checks
Villain bets $200
Hero jams $440

Spoiler:
Villain tank folds and claims he had 98cc


I just figured I have a range advantage against a limp-caller, so I chose to play it super aggressively.

Hand 2: Standard semibluff

$480 effective
2 limpers
Villain raises $23 MP
Hero 3bets $85 SB with AKo
Villain calls $85

Flop ($164) QT4r

Hero bets $60
Villain calls $60

Turn ($284) QT47

Hero jams $335

Spoiler:
Villain tank folds and we show the semibluff


Again, I figured I have a range advantage, and with blockers to AQ/KQ, I thought it was a decent spot to jam.

Hand 3: This time, the villain spazzed out

Villain limps $3 UTG
Hero raises $18 HJ with KK
CO calls $18
Short-stacker jams $58 SB
Villain calls $58
Hero 4bets $160
CO folds
Villain 5bet jams $450
Hero snap calls $450

Spoiler:
Villain had 66
He flopped a set and scooped an almost 1k pot


After this particular hand, the villain told me that he thought I might have Ace King, hence why he jammed his low pocket pair.
H1: WTF are you doing? Don't raise AJo from the SB man. Come on...then you decide this is a great spot for a low equity x/r. Then go for a double x/r after you bink even though when called you're going to be losing most of the time. FPS much?

H2: Pre is w/e I would size up a bit. Flop actually hits his range pretty hard. The c bet is fine (size up though) but once he calls I'm giving up.

H3: I would 4 bet larger but seems fine otherwise.
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10-14-2018 , 07:55 AM
Yeah, that AJo hand from the SB is some serious buttonclicking going on. Jeeeze.
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10-14-2018 , 07:57 AM
Shut up guys OP plays good.
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10-14-2018 , 07:59 AM
we are obv jamming turn with AJo once we check, flop is fine at low freq with Ac in your hand, this play would be fine online in a tough environment, its probably printing money live if people are dumb enough to bet half of the remaining effective stack on turn and folding to a jam with a fd
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10-14-2018 , 08:03 AM
Surely AJo is a pretty standard raise from the SB in an unopened pot... these guys would've raised if they had AQ+, so I should always have the best hand here and I don't want to play 6ways with AJo.

When BTN decides to limp-call preflop, what strong hands does he have? Sure he has 6 combos of sets (22 and 33), but the majority of his bet/calling range should just be flush draws and weak Tx hands (AT would raise pre on the BTN). So when I bink the Ace on the turn, I should expect to be good most of the time. But I check to let him bluff.
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10-14-2018 , 08:15 AM
The flop is the button clicking. Reminds me of those ******s on zone. Raising air and hitting something.
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10-14-2018 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
The flop is the button clicking. Reminds me of those ******s on zone. Raising air and hitting something.
Lol I must be one of those "******s" that takes all your money at 25nl zone then.
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10-14-2018 , 09:09 AM
Hand 1: Flop is fancy play. He isn't folding any pair or any high flush draw. You're lucky this was the best case scenario and he had pretty much the bottom of his range.

Hand 2: Not getting Qx or most Tx to fold. Shoving denies equity to some draws you dominate, that's pretty much it. I suspect you were lucky (again) to run into the bottom of his range.

Too much fancy play going on in general, trying to push people off hands. That's a poor strategy in passive games where people call too much.

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Lol I must be one of those "******s" that takes all your money at 25nl zone then.
1. He plays higher than 25nl 2. You get crushed every time you play online, routinely dropping 10+ buy ins. He would be the one taking your money.
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10-14-2018 , 09:50 AM
Come on guys OP could crush online if he wanted to. He only needs to study more, play less fancy, not tilt at all, stop gambling, etc etc. But that is the easy part. It's not that he cannot do it, he chooses not to at this point in time.
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10-14-2018 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Come on guys OP could crush online if he wanted to. He only needs to study more, play less fancy, not tilt at all, stop gambling, etc etc. But that is the easy part. It's not that he cannot do it, he chooses not to at this point in time.
He enjoys being the boss of the table, running people over and showing bluffs over actually improving his game. It is purely ego.
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10-14-2018 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
He enjoys being the boss of the table, running people over and showing bluffs over actually improving his game. It is purely ego.
It's absolutely NOT ego, it's the complete lack of ego. A person with a strong ego is rational and makes rational decisions for himself to accomplish his goals. This is the complete opposite of what we see from OP.
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10-14-2018 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
It's absolutely NOT ego, it's the complete lack of ego. A person with a strong ego is rational and makes rational decisions for himself to accomplish his goals. This is the complete opposite of what we see from OP.
Yes, it is ego. He is correct, it feels like you is confused regarding how a big ego plays out and what it really is. The reason 6bme always takes high variance routes, light 3 bets, multistreet bluffs and constantly fancy play syndrome lines is because his ego makes him want to show his opponents how amazing he is, and how easily he can outplay people. His ego is overriding everything, thats why he cant bring himself to change his game- even when busto and having to be staked in order to stay in action.

Big ego is probably the number one danger in terms of being a successfull winning pokerplayer, and becoming the best player you can be. Countless good pros and legends in the game will tell you that ego is one of the most common roadblocks that is stopping many players.
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10-14-2018 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
After this particular hand, the villain told me that he thought I might have Ace King, hence why he jammed his low pocket pair.


Good job booking a win in spite of that hand. Stop showing your hands.
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10-14-2018 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Analysis on AK hand

Question: is it better to jam $500 on the river, or bet/fold $225 instead?

Answer: it is better to bet/fold $225 and it's not even close.

Analysis: Let's start by making some fairly reasonable assumptions about the villain. Many of these assumptions assume that the villain is loose-passive and assume that he arrives at the river with a fairly wide/fishy range, but the analysis becomes even clearer if we give him a nittier range.

We will say that villain calls a 3bet pre and arrives at the river with:
- All 4 combos of ATo
- All 4 combos of AJo
- All 3 combos of AQo
- 2 out of 3 combos of AKo (he will sometimes 4bet pre)
- 2 out of 3 combos of 22 (he will sometimes fold pre)
- All 8 combos of A2s-A9s
- All 3 combos of 99

In total, there's 26 combos in villain's range:
- 10 combos beat us
- 2 combos we chop with
- 14 combos we beat

So we can already see that a river value bet is super thin here. Almost half of villain's range beats us.

Now consider the fact that villain is slightly elastic. He might station me off with A3-AJ 80% of the time against a $225 river bet, but he might only station me off 60% of the time with those hands against a $500 river jam.

80% * 14 combos = 11.2 combos
60% * 14 combos = 8.4 combos

Consider also the fact that villain is bluff raising river basically 0% of the time. He always has a boat when he raises. We will also assume that villain never folds AK to any sized river bet.

Now, in order to justify a larger value bet as opposed to a smaller value bet, we need to ensure that we are getting called more often with hands that we beat than hands which we beat.

If we jam river, we get called by 8.4 combos we beat and we get called by 10 combos that we lose to, so that's bad.

If we bet $225, we get called by 11.2 combos that we beat and we get called by 10 combos that we lose to, so that's good.

You can see by these figures that a river bet is super thin as it is. By no means is it unreasonable to worry about being behind in this spot. But if we are going to make a thin value bet here, we need to ensure that we get called by weak Ax hands such as A7 at least 70% of the time, and against a $500 river jam, I'm not sure we do that.

To make matters even worse: we lose an additional $275 the times when we run into a boat and we jam river. So even though I've mathematically shown you that against a slightly elastic villain that never bluff raises river, it's better to make a smaller value bet here as opposed to a jam, the fact that we lose an additional $275 the times when we jam and are behind makes it crystal clear that jamming is -EV.
I said it before I'll say it again. Incredibly MUBSY. But you doubled down and are telling everyone else why it's the right answer so I'm going to stop giving you advice on hands. You know better, you don't need anyone else's advice.

Suggestion: don't tell us why such and such IS the right way to play a hand and instead tell us why YOU THINK such and such is the right way to play a hand. Employ that tactic to not come across so arrogantly. Because you do come across very arrogantly.
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