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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
That 25/80 bet size ATo is horrendous. 4 way pot flush draws and straight draws out there and you bet 1/3 pot...
It's certainly not a standard play, I'll give you that. But here's the thing: the only straight draws people can really have on an A665 board is exactly 87 or else gutshots. Do they really call $21 preflop with 43 or 74?
I'm actually not giving gutshots the correct implied odds to draw out on me, even when I bet as tiny as $25 into an $80 pot with a $245 stack behind, since I'm leaving myself room to bet/fold literally any river card except an Ace or a Six.
But what I am doing is giving gutshots the illusion that it's a bet worth calling, when they would otherwise fold to a more standard turn bet. I'm also allowing sticky pocket pairs and sticky 5x hands the chance to call a bet when they would otherwise fold.
Now imagine I make a "standard" bet of $65 here and get 1 caller. On the river, there'll be $210 in the pot with $180 behind, so I'm basically forced to jam $180 with AT, which is super thin.
If I had AJ/AQ/AK then I'd happily size up on the turn, but hands like A8/A9/AT are going for very thin value and mainly looking to get called by weaker pairs like 5x and pockets, as opposed to getting stacks in against a weaker Ax hand, which is overly optimistic.
At the bare minimum, even if my play wasn't optimal, it's certainly not as bad as you guys seem to think it is. You're just not used to seeing creative bet sizes like this because you've been taught that every bet needs to be between 50% and 90% pot and that any bet outside that range must be fishy and stupid.