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12-05-2018 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MMSS
Got drunk, played 5/T/20, won boat loads, paid off his loan
We are still in act 2 and this would be in act 3 imo

He will lose it all then get another $20k loan from his old law professor and challenge dlou in a heads up match rolls on the table.
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12-05-2018 , 04:18 PM
A night of degeneracy

So I woke up late today, around 2pm, and spent several hours lounging around at home, watching TV and playing chess on my phone. Then my mate calls me (the CEO guy) and tells me that the girl he's sleeping with is currently at the casino and asks me if I want to meet her. I oblige and we have a beer together around 8pm.

She goes home and he stays with me to play poker. We sit down at a 2/3 NL table together and we're drinking schooner after schooner of beer. We start doing really dumb sh*t like triple straddling and playing hands without looking.

Then we have a hand where there's 3 limpers, I raise to $11 in BB, someone calls $11, my mate now backraises to $19 and I 4bet to $27. The guy who was wedged inbetween us angrily mucked his cards, then called the floor over and accused us of colluding. We got an "official warning" and soon after, we decided f**k it, we don't want to play on this table anymore if sh*t regs are going to question our integrity like that. So I left that table after 1hr, being $900 down.

Then this is the f**ked part: on the way to the bar, we stop by some blackjack tables. I make a $200 bet and lose. Then I make a $600 bet and win. We then proceed to spend the next 3hrs drinking and playing more table games: blackjack, roulette, baccarat and this progressive jackpot poker game. Thankfully I only lost $200 during this long spout of degeneracy.

Then we decide to play more poker. We wanted to play 1/3 PLO, but there was a waiting list, so we jumped on the 5/5/10 PLO instead. I bought in for the minimum ($300) and ran it up to 1.6k after 2.5hrs. Meanwhile, my mate busted 1k there and went home.

I was super hungry by this stage, but it was 2:30am and nothing was open, so I spent the next 4hrs playing 1/3 PLO and managed to make 1k profit there too. Now it's 7am and cafes are finally starting to open, so I can eat something at last.

In total:
2/3 NL: played 1hr lost $900
5/5/10 PLO: played 2.5hrs won $1318
1/3 PLO: played 4hrs won $1008
Total poker results for the night: played 7.5hrs won $1426.

So I've recovered my losses from Tuesday now, but did it in a pretty degen way.
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12-05-2018 , 04:23 PM
I'm disappointed to not get any PLO hands even if they're super standard hands of you owning people.
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12-05-2018 , 04:29 PM
OP is like an aircraft without working engines trying to get to a higher altitude. Only a matter of time before he reaches the peak of the parabola.
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12-05-2018 , 04:29 PM
Hand 1: Put to a tough decision

Villain is a TAG reg who hasn't played a hand in the past 1 hour.

5/5/10 PLO, 6-handed, hero is only $650 deep

Hero has AKKJ (no heart)
Villain pots $40 UTG
Hero repots $135 SB
Villain calls $135

Flop ($270) Qh 9h 7s

Hero bets $80
Villain jams $515 effective
Hero tank calls $515

Spoiler:
Villain says he has gutshot+FD
Runout is Q97Q4 and flush misses
We scoop a 1.3k pot
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12-05-2018 , 04:33 PM
Why did you slowroll him?

Last edited by .isolated; 12-05-2018 at 04:45 PM.
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12-05-2018 , 04:33 PM
Honestly I didn't write up too many hand histories tonight. I was pretty lazy. My memory is a bit fuzzy so that's the only HH I can share with you unfortunately.
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12-05-2018 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Why did you slowroll him?
What do you mean? He has so much QQ and Q9 there. I'm never fistpumping about this.
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12-05-2018 , 04:47 PM
you need 33.5% equity to call a jam. it's hard to not have that here.

You should've just pot/called. the 30% pot bet in a flop with an spr of < 2 is pretty bad and giving equity away.
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12-05-2018 , 05:51 PM
Jfc you run so pure
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12-05-2018 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
you need 33.5% equity to call a jam.
Sure, that's easy when you are rolled for the game you are playing.

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Originally Posted by isunkurbttlship
Jfc you run so pure
in a minuscule sample size.
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12-05-2018 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by isunkurbttlship
Jfc you run so pure
How is OP not running badly?

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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
this is possible too
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
We are still in act 2 and this would be in act 3 imo

He will lose it all then get another $20k loan from his old law professor and challenge dlou in a heads up match rolls on the table.
I win, got drunk and won.

Tbh when you're crushing the games so much and you like drinking I dunno why you don't just play every session drunk. Yeah it may hurt your win rate a bit but $200/h sober vs $180/h drunk hardly seems worth the will power to stay sober.

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Then we have a hand where there's 3 limpers, I raise to $11 in BB, someone calls $11, my mate now backraises to $19 and I 4bet to $27. The guy who was wedged inbetween us angrily mucked his cards, then called the floor over and accused us of colluding. We got an "official warning" and soon after, we decided f**k it, we don't want to play on this table anymore if sh*t regs are going to question our integrity like that.
You honestly don't see the problem with this?

I suggest some 25nl online for the rest of the trip, crushing the live games for so much hourly is pointless in your journey to become a great player whereas some b/e (i.e. losing) sessions at 25nl zone will really help you develop.
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12-05-2018 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
OP is like an aircraft without working engines trying to get to a higher altitude. Only a matter of time before he reaches the peak of the parabola.
I was going to use the analogy he's repeatedly driving into oncoming traffic and not having a fatal crash.
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12-05-2018 , 07:23 PM
In case anyone is wondering how long and how high up someone can sun run, I believe this is the longest and highest streak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_Karas
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12-05-2018 , 07:31 PM
^^such a cool story
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12-06-2018 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
6bet: do you think you misplayed your hands against that maniac in any way? What else did you look at regarding that session other than good spots to 3bet light.
Hmm well the AK call was certainly questionable. I think it was more marginal than people give it credit for, but it may have been a fold.

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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
if everyone played optimally vs said maniac then the variance would rise up massively because you're probably supposed to 3bet and 4bet and 5bet really ****ing light
This is what I suspect. It makes a lot of sense to 3bet with QJo against a player raising 95% of hands and flatting 3bets lightly.

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Originally Posted by MMSS
Got drunk, played 5/T/20, won boat loads, paid off his loan and upgraded his room so he doesn't have to top and tail with you?
Wouldn't make sense for me to upgrade my room when I've only got 2 more days living here and I've already prepaid more than $100 per night.

Although if I did win big, the temptation to extend my Sydney trip and book a new place after the 8th would be tempting.

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Originally Posted by DianeAbbott
I want to believe OP has made some good decisions today but relatively speaking a good decision by 6bm might be not to post the straddle in the 5/T/25 game he's jumped into for 60% of his net worth.
Thankfully the 5/5/10 PLO was the biggest game running at 2am last night, and the buyin was $300-$1500, so that kept things affordable.

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Originally Posted by .isolated
After yesterday's session I thought that he wouldn't play a single minute of $2/$3 today unless it was while waiting for a higher stakes table. I'm sure he did well because they should respect his raises at $5/$5/$10 or w/e the **** he played.
I did play 1 hour of 2/3 NL though. And I spent 4hrs playing 1/3 PLO too. I don't play too much 5/10+ because the money does stress me a fair bit.
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12-06-2018 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I did play 1 hour of 2/3 NL though. And I spent 4hrs playing 1/3 PLO too. I don't play too much 5/10+ because the money does stress me a fair bit.
That is commendable. You have earned a Thai gif

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12-06-2018 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Then we have a hand where there's 3 limpers, I raise to $11 in BB, someone calls $11, my mate now backraises to $19 and I 4bet to $27. The guy who was wedged inbetween us angrily mucked his cards, then called the floor over and accused us of colluding. We got an "official warning" and soon after, we decided f**k it, we don't want to play on this table anymore if sh*t regs are going to question our integrity like that. So I left that table after 1hr, being $900 down.
What you're describing here is actual cheating.
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12-06-2018 , 03:15 AM
Yes, it does appear to be cheating. Did you at least offer to give the dude his $11 back?
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12-06-2018 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry Urinstein
What you're describing here is actual cheating.
No way. Collusion implies 2 things:
1) We must have premeditated it. This usually involves coming up with a plan beforehand then using signals.
2) We must gain an unfair advantage from it.

Neither of those were the case here:
1) None of it was planned. We didn't signal each other. None of us knew that the other person was going to make a minimum reraise. We just did it impulsively to f**k with each other.
2) I had 53o that hand. How do I gain an unfair advantage from that? I was also drunk and I was constantly triple straddling and playing hands without looking. It should've been crystal clear that I was just playing for fun, rather than playing for an unfair advantage.

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Yes, it does appear to be cheating. Did you at least offer to give the dude his $11 back?
F**k no. I'd sooner throw $11 in the trash than return it to that c**t.

He also made a really snide comment to my friend and said "have you ever read a book on poker?" Like this is some dumb sh*t reg grinding 2/3 NL with less than a full stack, wearing a pppoker cap to look cool, doing a lot of limp-calling and playing like a typical bad reg that's probably breakeven, and he has the audacity to run his mouth like that.

Do you ever notice it's the pub poker players and the low stakes bad regs that make the most accusations about cheating, collusion, rigged games, etc.?
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12-06-2018 , 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry Urinstein
What you're describing here is actual cheating.
don't tap the glass
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12-06-2018 , 03:45 AM
6,

It's called whipsawing. Whether premeditated or not, it's quickly spotted and frowned upon. Your intentions are irrelevant. You guys whipsawed that guy and chased him off. If you're intending on being a reg at any of these places, you're going to want to avoid anything that blemishes your reputation. You'll need a good rep eventually.
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12-06-2018 , 03:53 AM
And here's the other thing: even if we had intentionally colluded and tried to "whipsaw" him out of the pot: there is no EV advantage if your opponent plays correctly.

He's just mad because he's a bad reg and he got his limp-calling range exploited hard. If he'd played a more balanced strategy, then he'd be able to fight back correctly against this.
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12-06-2018 , 03:56 AM
So why make a bad reg uncomfortable and leave?

Do you understand the poker slang "fish" and don't tap the glass. They're easy food for sharks because they feel safe and aren't on the defensive.

Also, for someone who a couple months ago was worried about getting caught on the street for his roll....you might wanna be cautious about making strangers feel cheated.

Bad regs are still regs and are often friendly with the floor. A bad reg can still get you banned from your poker room.
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12-06-2018 , 04:01 AM
He was no good for the table anyway. Fish and whales are good, but bad regs aren't. Bad regs just sit there with earphones and a bored face, play a simple strategy and either breakeven or make a small profit.

Bad regs are also the kind of people who will criticise legitimate fish for making bad calls. So they create a horrible atmosphere for everyone.

You can exploit bad regs for maybe 5bb/hr, but you'd much rather be on a table of fish, whales or maniacs.

So I'm happy to make enemies with the bad regs.
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