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xeno - Not sure why you are going to war over this. Pettrucci has played a ton of live low steaks and stomps it pretty well. He gave a well thought post describing his thought process. IIRC you play mostly online? As far as I can tell his thoughts and contributions to this thread have been spot on gold

Thanks for the love Squiddo. I try the best i can within my limited resources to write something meaningful from time to time

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06-06-2018 , 01:30 PM

#1452

barney big nuts

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Originally Posted by Xenoblade

oh wow you play on ignition and you're still at 50z

why don't you just quit poker mirage?

hahahaha

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06-06-2018 , 01:44 PM

#1453

f1tz

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Originally Posted by mirage01

Xeno your such a printer you had to make a new 2+2 account to hide in shame. Just image what a joke of reputation it takes to bother to do that.

Lmao you literally left our discord group because you couldn't handle the bants and made another account to watch from afar so that no one sees you. Just stop embarrassing yourself, it's legit sad.

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06-06-2018 , 02:07 PM

#1454

Xenoblade

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you think squeezing KQo is marginally +EV?

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06-06-2018 , 02:08 PM

#1455

f1tz

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Originally Posted by Xenoblade

you think squeezing KQo is marginally +EV?

Because you're not getting enough folds, even if people aren't slowplaying hands.

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06-06-2018 , 02:09 PM

#1456

Crown

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For all the 50z ballers and angry live regs, pls be quiet and dont trash eachother this beautiful thread.

No one cares about your feuds, pls leave room for OP to do his magic in here.

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06-06-2018 , 02:15 PM

#1457

Avaritia

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Yea if we banned everyone but op, kelvis, and squid I'd be okay

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06-06-2018 , 02:17 PM

#1458

prairiebreeze

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The KQo hand is just trash. Villain isn’t 4 bet jamming with 55-AA and AQ+. Not live. The range is way narrower than that.

Probability of busto: 98%.

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06-06-2018 , 02:18 PM

#1459

Xenoblade

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Originally Posted by f1tz

Because you're not getting enough folds, even if people aren't slowplaying hands.

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well I mean we have KQo in a pretty low SPR pot postflop, it's pretty hard to make a mistake postflop, and if 2 players out of 3 fold then it's pretty good results still

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06-06-2018 , 02:19 PM

#1460

f1tz

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Originally Posted by Xenoblade

well I mean we have KQo in a pretty low SPR pot postflop, it's pretty hard to make a mistake postflop, and if 2 players out of 3 fold then it's pretty good results still

I mean, yeah a heads up pot IP is good but I still think people sigh call a lot after one person calls because "pot odds"

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06-06-2018 , 02:24 PM

#1461

squid face

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I recently poasted this up in another thread but I think it works well here...and I really like it. Someone mentioned how they felt weird looking into the cats eyes. Its bizarre but I actually do when I gaze into them...thoughts?

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06-06-2018 , 02:32 PM

#1462

EPTchips

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I pick 66 over KQo any day

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06-06-2018 , 05:08 PM

#1463

barney big nuts

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yeah 66 plays amazing in a sq pot much better than kq

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06-06-2018 , 05:23 PM

#1464

Dream Crusher

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

The Q8s, Id rather raise the flop than call the flop. When you raise the flop and then get a brick or and big overcard on the turn, they will fold quite often on the turn to another bet. This time the guy probably already had a big hand so obviously that wont work but it doesnt mean the play isnt good.

Wait, so you're raising flop and betting turn to get better to fold at live low stakes? Why not just play the hand for what it is which is a top pair good kicker, and get value from worse on later streets?

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06-06-2018 , 05:30 PM

#1465

Dream Crusher

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Originally Posted by Xenoblade

he says reg backjams 213$, how is it an extra 213$ if we already have 65 in the pot, if it was remainder of bad reg's stack then it's 225 - 65 meaning it's 160/477

meaning KQo against a range of 55-AA and AQ+ is a slightly +EV call

You're way overthinking this trying to justify a call that is maybe somehow +EV.

This is live low stakes where people are literally gift wrapping their stack to you. Top players are winning more than 30bb/100 (to put it online poker terms). You should literally be printing money at these stakes. Trying to justify a possibly +EV call in a close spot for a lot of chips using a super optimistic range when you are on a short bankroll and other players will just give you money drawing dead seems wrong to me.

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06-06-2018 , 05:40 PM

#1466

Xenoblade

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well obviously if the spot is so close that folding or calling doesn't make a difference and you have a small bankroll then folding would be the best option

I'm still baffled that people are saying the squeeze is bad though, the call following the squeeze we can debate, but the squeeze is very clearly fine

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06-06-2018 , 05:44 PM

#1467

MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher

The flop was 875? I never call a flop bet with Q8 here. Im either folding or raising. A flop raise followed by a turn bet will get A8 and K8 to fold most of the time when it comes from the BB (as well as weaker 8s of course). What can he beat?

I dont think you can try to call down when most every 8, that would bet from the blind, either beats you or has outs to beat you. Id rather get aggro or just fold.

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06-06-2018 , 05:46 PM

#1468

MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by Xenoblade

The squeeze is fine in a lot of situations and I do it quite a bit myself, but on a short bankroll I would just fold KQ preflop.

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06-06-2018 , 05:49 PM

#1469

Rich Checkmaker

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Originally Posted by Xenoblade

i dont think it is. are we doing this with every KQos in this spot? live players don't fold so this squeeze is spew imo. esp with hero's image (young aggro reg).

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06-06-2018 , 05:50 PM

#1470

Dream Crusher

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Yep, 3betting with a RIO hand OOP is probably not a sound strategy when working with a short roll.

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06-06-2018 , 05:50 PM

#1471

Kelvis

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Against the general population at 1/2 or 1/3 the call with KQo is outrageously bad. They just don't even have TT or something like that in this spot.

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06-06-2018 , 05:54 PM

#1472

barney big nuts

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

so you always make sure you bloat the pot with top pair on a ****ty board?
You're already turning tpgk into a bluff to fold out the small part of his range that has you beat
Why not just call flop and see a turn?
You prefer to get aggressive just to get aggressive?
I see live guys betting 2nd pair here otf no chance im ever folding tpgk to one bet from some drooler

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06-06-2018 , 06:00 PM

#1473

MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by barney big nuts

No, Im no always doing anything. I said previously I sometimes the raise the flop here and I just said I raise or fold.

You are contradicting yourself. First you say Im turning TPGK into a bluff, then you say lots of guys are betting 2nd pair. If lots of guys are betting 2nd pair, we should be raising TP for value. Especially if he has 2nd pair and a draw. Calling bets like this with weak hands is for fish.

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06-06-2018 , 06:08 PM

#1474

tgiggity

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

GG, wp, you're welcome at my table any time

can we stop talking strat and just watch this trainwreck happen already?

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06-06-2018 , 06:21 PM

#1475

barney big nuts

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you said you are always raising or folding

i said it's ok to call because random droolers are betting 2nd pair and all kinds of **** so please don't put words in my mouth. You were the one going on about bluffing a8 and k8

lol @ calling 1 bet in position being a fish play me thinks you play too much live poker and get aggressive just to get aggressive.

Raising can obv be fine but saying you just fold vs or raise is dumb
Calling and playing a turn is std and fine

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