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06-04-2018 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Alobar
Is this thread worth reading from the beginning? Ive only read the last couple pages and its pretty entertaining, but its also pretty clearly towards the end of the story, so not sure if its worth the time investment?
You could do far worse while reading and taking a ****.

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06-04-2018 , 07:51 PM
Inb4 OP miraculously runs up his roll with a red hot session at the blackjack tables.
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06-04-2018 , 09:41 PM
Didn't OP mention earlier ITT that he and his girl liked visiting strip clubs together?

Could it be that his baby girl is working on her game? Taking some coaching lessons here and there?

If only OP was as eager to improve.
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06-04-2018 , 10:14 PM
yeah, now i think about it, it would seem that is what she does (or intends to do). women can make really easy money that way, it's definitely something i can see many of them falling into if they got desperate for money. men sadly never have that option because of lack of demand.

but at the end of the day, this is only speculation. i'd like to think she's following a professional career of some kind.
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06-05-2018 , 01:31 AM
No, my girlfriend isn't a drug dealer. And she doesn't work in the sex industry either, which is completely legal anyway. She's not on welfare either because she's an international student from Thailand, so she can't access Centrelink. Life is very difficult when you have to pay your tuition fees every month, you get zero help from the government and your visa conditions only allow you to work 20hrs per week. I think you see where I'm going with this.

Why do people say I never follow advice when I'm constantly following advice? You tell me to have a plan and write down what I want to do and where I want to be, and I do exactly that and post it in this thread. You tell me to buy a cheaper phone, as opposed to a brand new late model phone, so I pick an older model which is only half the price of the latest model, and I still get told off for that. You tell me to fix my sleeping pattern and stop playing when tired, so I come up with a solution to permanently solve those things, and you're not happy with the solution.

And the reason the apps are a nice source of side income isn't because I won money from one session: it's because the vast majority of players are loose-passive fish, and you can see that from their VPIP/PFR, which is shown whenever you click on someone's icon at the table. There's a lot of limp-calling and not too much aggression.

If I thought that the probability of me succeeding was relatively low, then I would simply chuck 6k on baccarat for a 49.5% chance of doubling up. Then I'd have 12k to work with, which is a pretty good safety net.

But I believe that I have a significantly higher than 50% chance of doubling up my roll through slowly grinding 1/3 NL over the course of a few months, so I'm going with that option instead.

By the way, I'll be at the poker room in 20 mins if anyone wants to meet up.
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06-05-2018 , 01:40 AM
OP, whatever else I think about your hand histories and your decision to quit your job to play poker FT, I must say that I admire the grace and patience with which you generally handle all the sarcasm and criticism (objective and otherwise)

maybe you're a sucker for punishment, IDK or just like the attention, but you're handling it all pretty well
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06-05-2018 , 01:51 AM
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I define success as things like a multi-millionaire business person, sports star, a singer with global success etc. Something which many aspire to, but few people achieve.
Nobody can define "success" for anybody but themselves. Our vastly diverse life circumstances, values and experiences make any such judgment a fool's errand.

Most people however, have little difficulty relating their own measure of success with the pursuit of happiness, and Ghandi expressed happiness as...

Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony.

In other words, when your manifest self is free to be your conscious self, in all circumstances that you find yourself in.

Since I strongly relate happiness (and therefore success) to the ability to be free to choose how I spend every waking moment, I get exactly what he is saying.

Op, and others on here might want to muse on that for a while.

By sheer coincidence, I was out walking last night with my much younger, multi-millionaire (businessman) mate and we were discussing this very subject. And whilst he is (by a factor of 10) way more wealthy than me, neither of us would say he was any more successful.

Incidentally...

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Something which many aspire to, but few people achieve.
...people (and I agree there are many, way too many) who foolishly aspire to such things because they place wealth, materialism and celebrity at their value-centre are pretty much f***d from the get go.

The vast majority of the world's over-achievers get where they are not by aspiring for the trappings of wealth, but by aspiring (and working their asses off) to be the best they can be. Wealth is but an outcome.

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06-05-2018 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
OP, whatever else I think about your hand histories and your decision to quit your job to play poker FT, I must say that I admire the grace and patience with which you generally handle all the sarcasm and criticism (objective and otherwise)

maybe you're a sucker for punishment, IDK or just like the attention, but you're handling it all pretty well
Thank you. I try to take every bit of criticism as an opportunity to improve. I would rather have someone actively point out my flaws than silently judge me for it. And this thread is great in those regards.
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06-05-2018 , 02:00 AM
6,

What hourly do you think is realistic for you in the 1/3 game?
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06-05-2018 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Why do people say I never follow advice when I'm constantly following advice? You tell me to have a plan and write down what I want to do and where I want to be, and I do exactly that and post it in this thread. You tell me to buy a cheaper phone, as opposed to a brand new late model phone, so I pick an older model which is only half the price of the latest model, and I still get told off for that. You tell me to fix my sleeping pattern and stop playing when tired, so I come up with a solution to permanently solve those things, and you're not happy with the solution.
You make a plan and don't stick to it. You buy a phone that is "only" $850, what we meant was buy a $200 phone that can do actual essentials. You fix your sleeping patterns by quitting your job, that's not a solution. That's like getting rid of your head ache by blowing off your head.


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And the reason the apps are a nice source of side income isn't because I won money from one session: it's because the vast majority of players are loose-passive fish, and you can see that from their VPIP/PFR, which is shown whenever you click on someone's icon at the table. There's a lot of limp-calling and not too much aggression.
So how much are you up online this year?

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If I thought that the probability of me succeeding was relatively low, then I would simply chuck 6k on baccarat for a 49.5% chance of doubling up. Then I'd have 12k to work with, which is a pretty good safety net.

But I believe that I have a significantly higher than 50% chance of doubling up my roll through slowly grinding 1/3 NL over the course of a few months, so I'm going with that option instead.
So you'd say the destructive route you're on is a pretty safe bet?
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06-05-2018 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
6,

What hourly do you think is realistic for you in the 1/3 game?
I'd like to say $30/hr but I'll set a conservative estimate at $25/hr. So that means 24hrs per week breaks even, anything more than that adds to my bankroll. And I'm hoping to put in more than 40hrs per week.

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So how much are you up online this year?

So you'd say the destructive route you're on is a pretty safe bet?
Online I'm down $1k on my laptop and up $100 on the apps. But I've barely put in any volume online and most of my losses came from when I had zero discipline, played 200nl and some $50 SnGs.

No, it's not a safe bet at all.
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06-05-2018 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I've barely put in any volume online
I'm not sure if this helps your argument or makes it worse...
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06-05-2018 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
You tell me to fix my sleeping pattern and stop playing when tired, so I come up with a solution to permanently solve those things, and you're not happy with the solution.
From your most recent session:

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I came to the casino tired...I sit down at a 1/3 table and lose my stack on the very first hand.
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06-05-2018 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me

Hero posts $3 CO (I've done the maths and I calculated that when there are 9 or more players on the table, it's actually higher EV to post in the CO rather than the BB, and that's without even factoring in the cost of time)
Okay now I'm 100% convinced this whole thing is a troll


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06-05-2018 , 11:13 AM
6bet, what are your 1 year / 5 year / long term goals?

Ty for answering about the games, hopefully see you there in December.
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06-05-2018 , 11:24 AM
If “taking advice” equates to writing it down in this thread in boldface only to post about how you broke the rule 2 updates later then you’re doing it well. I think it would help significantly if you held yourself accountable and really dwell on the lessons that should be learned every time you do that instead of copping out like you have been.

Example: you play a 2/5/10 (or maybe it was PLO, forgot tbh) game after saying you’re sticking strictly to 1/3. So far, what you’ve done when people call you out is one of two things: [1] point to the fact that it was a winning session so it’s fine, or [2] say something along the lines of “haven’t you all been young and made mistakes before?”

Both responses are a very easy way to justify any brash decision while absolving yourself of any responsibility wrt your personal rules. What’s the point of having rules and promises to yourself if you can so easily break them without consequence? You’d get a ton less heat and likely way more support if you made a conscious and real effort to stick to what seem to be very solid rules/personal affirmations. You have to realize just how far back you’re stepping every time you make a serious blunder given the fragility of your roll and lack of backup plan. Only a matter of time before “1 step forward 2 steps back” puts you in a bad spot.
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06-05-2018 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by f1tz
Okay now I'm 100% convinced this whole thing is a troll


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It's actually more complex than you think. You need to consider:
1) What your win rate is from each position (highest win rate on BTN, lowest win rate in blinds)
2) How posting from the CO affects your win rate from that specific position (no, you don't simply lose 1bb by posting, since you have a decent chance of winning that pot in position)

And this is if you skip your blinds and come back in the CO position, where you have to pay a SB ante on top of posting your BB.

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6bet, what are your 1 year / 5 year / long term goals?

Ty for answering about the games, hopefully see you there in December.
1 year goal is to be grinding 5/5/10 NL and 1/3 PLO, as well as some small to midstakes online games.

5 year goal I don't have yet. Depends how much I love the game. Will possibly stay a poker pro forever, or might go back to uni to study something like Finance.
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06-05-2018 , 11:48 AM
the only argument in favor of posting BB from CO is the time save, it can be fine or it can be bad depending on who's at the table
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06-05-2018 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
the only argument in favor of posting BB from CO is the time save, it can be fine or it can be bad depending on who's at the table
It's more that he "did the maths" despite not thinking that $1300 is an absurd amount to spend on food. Tbh, if you really wanted to, I'm sure you could easily live off $200 for food if you just ate basics and pre prepared a lot of your meals.

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06-05-2018 , 12:01 PM
technically you could live off of even less than 200$ if you add a lot of legumes to your meals, they're dirt cheap and nutrition is great, but yeah he doesn't cook
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06-05-2018 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I'd like to say $30/hr but I'll set a conservative estimate at $25/hr.
Your games have a pretty brutal rake, right?

I mean, $25 - $30 is hard. Obviously everyone in the Winrates thread will argue otherwise, but it is still really hard (especially if you don't curb your ~40 hour blowups at the table).

For budgeting purposes, it might not be a bad idea to budget for a lot smaller of a winrate.

GgoodluckG
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06-05-2018 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Your games have a pretty brutal rake, right?

I mean, $25 - $30 is hard. Obviously everyone in the Winrates thread will argue otherwise, but it is still really hard (especially if you don't curb your ~40 hour blowups at the table).

For budgeting purposes, it might not be a bad idea to budget for a lot smaller of a winrate.

GgoodluckG
He already has to play 100 hours/month at his lol conservatively estimated winrate of $25/hr just to cover his expenses. And he's already pushed back on the idea that 1300/month for food is excessive. So he pretty much has to have a 25/hr winrate to have any chance of success. Even if that was his winrate his chance of success is a lot lower than he realizes.

OPs version of accountability is to post his blowups and blunders ITT and defend his actions to us 2p2ers with excuses. "You guys have never got drunk and made mistakes before?"

That's not accountability OP. When you just dismiss your screw ups as the inevitable because your only human or whatever that's the opposite of accountability.

And no one's advice to you was "buy an $800 phone for your girlfriend". But you act like that's what we told you to do and then we get mad at you for it. LOL dude wake the efff up. You think anyone on here was going to give you kudos for being "responsible" for buy an $800 phone FOR YOUR GIRLFRIEND!!!

She works right? I mean why couldn't she buy her own phone? You're too young and poor to be a sugar daddy.
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06-05-2018 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
He already has to play 100 hours/month at his lol conservatively estimated winrate of $25/hr just to cover his expenses. And he's already pushed back on the idea that 1300/month for food is excessive. So he pretty much has to have a 25/hr winrate to have any chance of success. Even if that was his winrate his chance of success is a lot lower than he realizes.

OPs version of accountability is to post his blowups and blunders ITT and defend his actions to us 2p2ers with excuses. "You guys have never got drunk and made mistakes before?"

That's not accountability OP. When you just dismiss your screw ups as the inevitable because your only human or whatever that's the opposite of accountability.


And no one's advice to you was "buy an $800 phone for your girlfriend". But you act like that's what we told you to do and then we get mad at you for it. LOL dude wake the efff up. You think anyone on here was going to give you kudos for being "responsible" for buy an $800 phone FOR YOUR GIRLFRIEND!!!

She works right? I mean why couldn't she buy her own phone? You're too young and poor to be a sugar daddy.

Lmao, who would have thought you was gonna nail something that hard. Bullseye of course.
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06-05-2018 , 01:20 PM
A long but worthwhile session

I played an 8hr session today at 1/3 NL. Similar to yesterday, I lost my first buyin fairly early on by making a very questionable call, and was quickly in for $600. But I managed to run pretty hot for the rest of the session, got dealt AA 4 times (I think this is the most times I've had AA in a single live poker session). I won a whole bunch of medium sized pots and cashed out $1485 in the end (+$885).

I also met a veteran poster on 2p2. We had a good conversation at the bar. He's been around poker for a lot longer than I have and plays some of the bigger games, so it was nice to have a talk with him. Shout out to feel wrath. Thanks for the words of wisdom. It was nice meeting you today.

So here's some hand histories:

Grandpa isn't here to f**k spiders

Hero ($310) just sat down about 20 mins ago, hasn't really been involved in any big pots.

Villain ($900) is a 70s WG. Drinking lots of beer and seems quite LAG for his age. I saw him raise/call it off on the flop with top pair weak kicker a previous hand when the SPR was quite high.

Hero raises $12 UTG+2 with A9ss
Villain calls $12 HJ
BB calls $12

Flop ($36, 3ways) is Js Ts 3c

BB checks
Hero bets $18
Villain jams $298 effective
BB folds
Hero tank calls $298

Turn and river brick. Villain flips over AJo and scoops a $622 pot. I'm not happy with the way I played this hand.

Jizzing when this happens

$550 effective

Asian guy limps $3 UTG
Hero raises $18 HJ with As Ah
BTN calls $18
Asian guy 3bets to $46 (I almost jizzed my pants when I saw the limp-reraise)
Hero 4bets $110
BTN folds
Asian guy flats $110

Flop ($227) is Jh 7h 6d

Villain donks $110
Hero flats $110

Turn ($447) is Jh 7h 6d 8s

Villain bets $60
Hero jams $430 effective
Villain tank folds

I don't know what he had, but I'll be a bit upset if he got away from QQ/KK there.

Jizzing even harder at this one

Hero raises $15 UTG with QQ
OMC ($200) calls $15 MP
BTN calls $15

Flop ($45, 3ways) is Qh 7s 6h

Hero bets $25
OMC raises to $75
BTN folds
Hero pauses for a few seconds to think about Vegas and the f**king Mirage... then...
Hero jams $185 effective
OMC calls $185

OMC shows AQ and thankfully doesn't get running Aces, so we win the pot. On a side note, I'm actually somewhat surprised to see him show up with this hand. I was fairly confident he had a set. But it does feel nice to stack an OMC.

The good news is that tomorrow, there's going to be a huge sports match known as "The State Of Origin". What this means is: all the drunk sports fans are going to swarm to the casino and dump buyin after buyin. I plan to put in a huge session tomorrow: probably another 8-10hr session, starting in the afternoon and dragging until around midnight. I'm ready. Let's do this!
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06-05-2018 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by f1tz
It's more that he "did the maths" despite not thinking that $1300 is an absurd amount to spend on food. Tbh, if you really wanted to, I'm sure you could easily live off $200 for food if you just ate basics and pre prepared a lot of your meals.

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Is that $1300 a month on food? I'd like to see a full breakdown of his food costs each week - exactly what he buys, typical meals he eats.
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