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06-04-2018 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Didn't he previously state that his gf barely worked?
It's complicated. I'm not going to explain the situation publicly. But she doesn't earn much money but also doesn't have much free time.
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06-04-2018 , 09:44 AM
The thread that keeps on giving. I don't even care if I'm being trolled.
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06-04-2018 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
It's complicated. I'm not going to explain the situation publicly. But she doesn't earn much money but also doesn't have much free time.

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06-04-2018 , 09:50 AM
6,

A lot of people will think I’m trolling with this post, but I’m not. In the very short-term, I think your best chance for long-term success is to take a couple of 1k shots at the 5/10 game and hope to run good and quickly double your bankroll.
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06-04-2018 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
It's complicated. I'm not going to explain the situation publicly. But she doesn't earn much money but also doesn't have much free time.
Sweatshop?
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06-04-2018 , 10:01 AM
El D - I understand exactly where you are going with this. However, our hero has shown his degen side and complete lack of regard toward $/budget. Even if he gets lucky and spins it up the degen will come out unless something dramatically changes in his world outlook and will go busto.
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06-04-2018 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
6,

A lot of people will think I’m trolling with this post, but I’m not. In the very short-term, I think your best chance for long-term success is to take a couple of 1k shots at the 5/10 game and hope to run good and quickly double your bankroll.
This is very tempting. I believe that I'm already a winning player in most 5/5/10 lineups. There's a surprisingly high number of whales at those games. And if I could just get some initial run good, then I could potentially stay at those stakes forever. That's where I want to be.

Alas, I did promise myself that I'd spend at least a few weeks grinding nothing but 1/3 NL. I don't want to break that yet.
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06-04-2018 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
Sweatshop?
I'm guessing she's training up to be something + studying in her spare time. Maybe studying for accountancy exams or something like that (although you get paid well for that, so probably something else).
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06-04-2018 , 10:11 AM
What makes you think you’re a winner in the 5/5/T games? Like not being a dick but how would you describe your edge/where does it come from in those games?

Edit: what’s the max buy in/rake on the 2/5 and 5/5 games please? I might be in Melbourne towards the end of the year.
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06-04-2018 , 10:35 AM
I am in Melbourne this week and just sat at one of the softest 2/5 games I can remember. (+$5 in 3 hours biznitches). Very loose passive and basically 7 players trying to hit hands and trap people

All sorts of sizing tells and lack or aggression errors plus a load of people paying off when they knew they were beat. Also saw the ol limp shove for 90 B.B. with J4hh.

I will say that ime the 5/5-10 at Crown is a lot tougher and generally reg/pro infested and is certainly not a game that our hero OP would be favoured in

Far be it from me to tempt hero above what he’s rolled for but the rake on the 1/3 is so high that I actually think he’s better off playing the 2/5

OP I’ll be at Crown tomorrow if you want to catch up
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06-04-2018 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by wj294
What makes you think you’re a winner in the 5/5/T games? Like not being a dick but how would you describe your edge/where does it come from in those games?

Edit: what’s the max buy in/rake on the 2/5 and 5/5 games please? I might be in Melbourne towards the end of the year.


2/5 is 500 and the 5/5-10 is 1500
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06-04-2018 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
This is very tempting. I believe that I'm already a winning player in most 5/5/10 lineups. There's a surprisingly high number of whales at those games. And if I could just get some initial run good, then I could potentially stay at those stakes forever. That's where I want to be.

Alas, I did promise myself that I'd spend at least a few weeks grinding nothing but 1/3 NL. I don't want to break that yet.
Do it, you probably have a better chance of success at 5/5/10 than 1/3. Grinding 1/3 would be torture for someone whom thinks they are a better person than the degens and omc's on the 1/3 tables. Hate to see anyone fail but it is hard to root for someone severely lacking in the humilty department. GL nethertheless.
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06-04-2018 , 10:46 AM
6,

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
And if I could just get some initial run good, then I could potentially stay at those stakes forever.

You have ~$5000 to your name, a monthly nut of $2500, and play in a game where you maybe make $15-20/hr at best.

To give yourself a fighting chance at success, you need to get that bankroll up. I previously suggested a part-time job, but you don’t want to do that.

That’s why I suggested a couple of 5/10 shots. Basically, cross your fingers and hope to get lucky. It would be for a bankroll boost, not to move up.
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06-04-2018 , 10:57 AM
An awful start but a great recovery

I had the worst possible start to a session: I came to the casino tired because I got woken up early for some stupid smoke alarm repairman. I sit down at a 1/3 table and lose my stack on the very first hand. What makes this even worse is the fact that this wasn't just an unavoidable cooler. I actually had the chance to play this differently:

1/3, 9-handed, $300 effective. Villain is unknown late 20s Asian guy.

Hero posts $3 CO (I've done the maths and I calculated that when there are 9 or more players on the table, it's actually higher EV to post in the CO rather than the BB, and that's without even factoring in the cost of time)

2 limpers
Hero raises $21 CO with T9dd
BTN flats $21

Flop ($47, HU) is Ad 7d 3h

Hero bets $25
Villain raises to $60
Hero calls $60

Turn ($157) is Ad 7d 3h Tc

Hero checks
Villain bets $105
Hero calls $105

River ($367) is Ad 7d 3h Tc 6s

Hero checks
Villain quickly jams $109 effective (I put too much faith in a live tell - I thought a quick jam meant he was weak, so even though I'd planned to fold river unimproved, I had a last minute change of mind)
Hero calls $109

Villain shows As Kh and scoops a $585 pot.

You can't have a worse start than this. You're already tired and not playing your A game. You come to the casino with 2 buyins only. You lose your first buyin on the very first hand. And worst of all, you are now tilted at f**king up the hand. You spend the next hour thinking about how you could've played the hand differently and how you didn't need to get stacked there.

The table was pretty bad anyway. It was full of old people and nits. It was about as dry as a 1/3 table could ever get, which meant I was going to have a hard time recovering from that big loss.

Over the next 3.5hrs, I did slowly manage to win back most of that money, mainly just from raising pre, picking up all the dead limpers' money, and pulling a few small ball bluffs postflop... you know a 1/3 table is bad when you make all your money from bluffing rather than value betting. So I left only $22 down.

I came home tired. The game was so bad. I didn't play too well. It was boring and uninteresting. I felt like maybe I shouldn't be playing 1/3 NL. Maybe I should play something else instead.

I spent a few hours doing other things. I took a nap, bought some groceries and went for a long walk. Then I came back to the casino at 9pm for another 1/3 session.

This table was slightly more action heavy than the daytime nitfest, but still had a few headphone nit regs on it. I stack off on the flop with an overpair vs a flush draw and manage to get a safe runout and double up. Then I pick up a few medium sized pots from playing my standard TAG strategy. I leave after just 2.5hrs with $375 profit.

In addition to this, I'd been playing on one of the phone apps all day. I figured it would be a better use of my time to multitable, since live is so slow. During my daytime session, I lost about $100 online, but during my evening session, I won about $280 online. That seems like a nice source of side income. I'm playing a 24/20 VPIP/PFR on the 6max tables whilst everyone else is playing like 50/7, so it's pretty easy money.

So in total, including both the live game and the online app, I'm up about $530 today, which is a decent amount. I've certainly had better sessions in the past, but when you've just been through a downswing, any amount of profit feels great.

This session restored my confidence quite a bit. I was feeling quite drained before this win and thought about taking a short break from poker, but now I have the energy and confidence to go back tomorrow, which is exactly what I need.
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06-04-2018 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by wj294
What makes you think you’re a winner in the 5/5/T games? Like not being a dick but how would you describe your edge/where does it come from in those games?

Edit: what’s the max buy in/rake on the 2/5 and 5/5 games please? I might be in Melbourne towards the end of the year.
2/5 NL:
Buyin is $200-$500 and rake is 10% capped at $15
Runs almost 24/7

5/5 NL (with optional $10 live straddle which everyone does):
Buyin is $400-$1000 and rake is 10% capped at $15
Only runs a few nights per week

All games have a $5 seating charge too.

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Originally Posted by feel wrath
I am in Melbourne this week and just sat at one of the softest 2/5 games I can remember. (+$5 in 3 hours biznitches). Very loose passive and basically 7 players trying to hit hands and trap people

All sorts of sizing tells and lack or aggression errors plus a load of people paying off when they knew they were beat. Also saw the ol limp shove for 90 B.B. with J4hh.

I will say that ime the 5/5-10 at Crown is a lot tougher and generally reg/pro infested and is certainly not a game that our hero OP would be favoured in

Far be it from me to tempt hero above what he’s rolled for but the rake on the 1/3 is so high that I actually think he’s better off playing the 2/5

OP I’ll be at Crown tomorrow if you want to catch up
2/5 is a hit or miss. Some days it's really nitty and reg heavy. Other days you get massive whales that will do dumb sh*t like put in 110bbs preflop with 53s, cold call 3bets with junk, station you off with a weak pair postflop even after the front door flush got there, etc.

5/5/10 is much the same. The regs are very good, but you get some whales that will call $220 pre with 96o and stuff like that. The game usually only gets up when there's one or more whales though, whereas the 2/5 regs will battle it out even when it's just them.

Yeah I'm happy to meet up tomorrow. I'll most likely be there from about 1pm until about 10pm.

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Originally Posted by feel wrath
2/5 is 500 and the 5/5-10 is 1500
Not quite. The 5/5/10 PLO has a $1500 max buyin, but the 5/5/10 NL is a $1k max.
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06-04-2018 , 11:20 AM
The problem is you're not taking a holistic approach to success and not analyzing where when why how other people ****ed up in life/ are not successful. Being successful at anything (really) requires a certain amount of timing and luck- but what people don't tell you/ don't talk about is if you haven't squared your **** up you will never be successful when that lucky opportunity finally comes.

The big 4 are booze, drugs, gambling, and mental health. If you have problems with those you're a lost cause/ will never be successful. Period. Other "little" things is consuming too much social media/ wasting your time on fruitless pursuits, and physical health. If you cut out every distraction in your life and don't **** up with the big4, it's actually hard not to be successful. That's the truth.

I worked more than my fair share of **** jobs as a college student, and it always bewildered me/ scared the living **** out of me having older co workers in such menial jobs. They certainly don't want to be delivering pizzas or making sandwiches and ****- and from what I gathered their mess boiled down to having problems with the above.
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06-04-2018 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
It's complicated. I'm not going to explain the situation publicly. .
You explain everything else , so why not that? Your gf is anonymous so whats the problem?
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06-04-2018 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
The problem is you're not taking a holistic approach to success and not analyzing where when why how other people ****ed up in life/ are not successful. Being successful at anything (really) requires a certain amount of timing and luck- but what people don't tell you/ don't talk about is if you haven't squared your **** up you will never be successful when that lucky opportunity finally comes.

The big 4 are booze, drugs, gambling, and mental health. If you have problems with those you're a lost cause/ will never be successful. Period. Other "little" things is consuming too much social media/ wasting your time on fruitless pursuits, and physical health. If you cut out every distraction in your life and don't **** up with the big4, it's actually hard not to be successful. That's the truth.

I worked more than my fair share of **** jobs as a college student, and it always bewildered me/ scared the living **** out of me having older co workers in such menial jobs. They certainly don't want to be delivering pizzas or making sandwiches and ****- and from what I gathered their mess boiled down to having problems with the above.
Interesting. Although when you say successful, do you just mean getting a typical college graduate job like doctor, lawyer, computer programmer etc? Because I wouldn't really call that successful, you're basically just average at the end of the day. You're still part of the 9-5 rat race like everyone else, you're just getting paid a little better.
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06-04-2018 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
You explain everything else , so why not that? Your gf is anonymous so whats the problem?
She's not anomymous though. Anyone that knows me in real life knows my girlfriend too. And let's just say that there are certain things which could get us into legal trouble if I were to post about online, so I'm refraining from discussing that.
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06-04-2018 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
Interesting. Although when you say successful, do you just mean getting a typical college graduate job like doctor, lawyer, computer programmer etc? Because I wouldn't really call that successful, you're basically just average at the end of the day. You're still part of the 9-5 rat race like everyone else, you're just getting paid a little better.
Lol... people have called you a troll in other threads so I'm not sure if I should respond. A typical college grad has majored in ****ing ballet choreography and is now drowning in debt working part time at the gas station/ a used bookstore- it's almost a textbook example of a ****up.

Computer programmers, doctors, and lawyers are all on the higher spectrum of success (if we define that by salary, which isn't a good metric btw). The 9-5 rat race people loath is directed at working a job you absolutely hate that also pays ****. People with hard degrees/ skills/ intelligence don't really fall into that trap.
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06-04-2018 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
Lol... people have called you a troll in other threads so I'm not sure if I should respond. A typical college grad has majored in ****ing ballet choreography and is now drowning in debt working part time at the gas station/ a used bookstore- it's almost a textbook example of a ****up.

Computer programmers, doctors, and lawyers are all on the higher spectrum of success (if we define that by salary, which isn't a good metric btw). The 9-5 rat race people loath is directed at working a job you absolutely hate that also pays ****. People with hard degrees/ skills/ intelligence don't really fall into that trap.
I define success as things like a multi-millionaire business person, sports star, a singer with global success etc. Something which many aspire to, but few people achieve. There's millions of doctors, lawyers and programmers out there. It's great that you achieved it, but it's not really unique or "extraordinary".

By the way, there's a strong correlation between family upbringing/income and the job you end up in. In other words, if you came from a low socio-economic background, you'll probably end up in an unskilled job, and vice versa. Those 4 areas that you listed play a part, but it's mainly down to the environment you were brought up in. Social mobility is a lot lower than we'd like to think.
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06-04-2018 , 12:20 PM
OP wins 1 session online and declares it a nice source of side income.
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06-04-2018 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DianeAbbott
OP wins 1 session online and declares it a nice source of side income.
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06-04-2018 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
She's not anomymous though. Anyone that knows me in real life knows my girlfriend too. And let's just say that there are certain things which could get us into legal trouble if I were to post about online, so I'm refraining from discussing that.
Usually when people do illegal stuff its because its good money, but apparently your gf, spends a lot of time working part time illegally and for little money. lawlz
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06-04-2018 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
I define success as things like a multi-millionaire business person, sports star, a singer with global success etc. Something which many aspire to, but few people achieve. There's millions of doctors, lawyers and programmers out there. It's great that you achieved it, but it's not really unique or "extraordinary".

By the way, there's a strong correlation between family upbringing/income and the job you end up in. In other words, if you came from a low socio-economic background, you'll probably end up in an unskilled job, and vice versa. Those 4 areas that you listed play a part, but it's mainly down to the environment you were brought up in. Social mobility is a lot lower than we'd like to think.
Environmental factors do play a role. But ffs grow the hell up and take responsiblity for your own flaws. Stop blaming mommy and daddy or that mean teacher and just man the **** up and take control of your life. You're an adult ffs not a child.

If you don't think a programmer/ doctor/ lawyer etc is not success then you're an idiot. I'm a dick for saying it but it's the truth. Maybe you've just never been truly poor/ know how brutal life can be or you have no idea the quality of life a person making a FIXED, STEADY 6figs+ EVERY SINGLE YEAR has compared to a pizza boy or a lol 30bb/100 live pro "crusher"

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