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01-24-2014 , 05:46 PM
happy birthday pure
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01-26-2014 , 05:42 AM
"One may be old in years, but not in spirit, or poor in wealth, but not in ambition." - Chinese Proverb



My chip collection has grown over the last year and it will continue to grow





Broken down by state: NV (42), CA (17), NJ (9), FL (5), PA (2), WV (1), LA (1)

Here is my latest vlog concerning travel. I am open to ideas if anyone has a suggestion for a future topic. Please like and sub.

http://youtu.be/QOuJ3o8wdN8

I took a few days off, looking to dive back in and crank out some volume. I am going to do another mini challenge: 40 hrs in the next 5 days.

Hand 1:

V1 (300)- 40 yo white male, loose
Hero's Image (600)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is MP dealt AK
V1 limps UTG, Hero raises to 15, V1 calls.

Flop (31):
A77
V1 checks, Hero bets 15, V1 calls.

Turn (60):
6
V1 checks, Hero bets 30, V1 calls.

River (120):
9
V1 bets 100, Hero folds.

I think villain always c/c Ax so he pretty much always has a 7 or better here

Spoiler:
villain shows 77, nh sir


Hand 2:

V1 (400)- 52 yo white male, just sat down hasn't been involved in any meaning hands
Hero's Image (800)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is BTN dealt 33
2 MP limps, Hero limps, V1 checks BB.

Flop (14):
K32
V1 bets 12, 1 MP caller, Hero raises to 48, V1 3b to 115, Hero clicks it back to 250, V1 jams, Hero snaps.

Spoiler:
villain shows K7, turn and river brick mhig


Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke0424
if you want to play long sessions, take more frequent breaks and make sure you eat well and a lot.

I regularly play 12+ hour sessions but take breaks every hour or any time I feel like I'm losing focus at all. So sometimes I'll take a break and maybe I'll need another 15 minutes later for whatever reason. Just keep in mind its a marathon not a sprint.

Playing longer sessions is good because as stacks get deeper, you're w/r goes up. You just have to pace yourself and develop the endurance.
I used to forget to eat, I ended up with bad stomach problems from it. The stress of playing and having an empty stomach gave me an ulcer, that was super painful and made it hard to focus.

I am much better about taking breaks and grabbing a bite to eat. I'll stand up to stretch at least once an hr and take a 1 round break every 2 hrs.

Whether w/r goes up or down as a function of session length is up for debate. I wish there were a filter in my session logger that could sort out my data in that manner. Deeper stacks is one argument for a better w/r. But there is also the matter of mental fatigue which is inevitable with long sessions.

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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
Correct me if I'm wrong PURE but ... isn't at least part of the bolded due to bankroll constraints? I mean, a month (or so) ago, you were pretty much on one buyin; I think the tendency (I know I do it) is to be more careful about getting your money in when you are short on you roll. I think we give EV at some points for the right to play another hour or another day.
I definitely have played more carefully as the money on the table is extremely important to me. It is much better to play overly tight than overly loose.

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Originally Posted by 11t
Haven't been reading a ton of posts but pures big historical leak is spew tard aggression so him playing now passively is a sign of improvement, not regression
Yes I have made leaps and bounds as far as not blasting off stacks with no FE.

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Originally Posted by serio562
Op's historical leak has been lack of volume. IMO
1500 hrs in each of the last couple yrs is decent, but to build my roll up it is the extra hrs beyond that that count. I am dedicated to putting in volume this year, I will try my very hardest so I can grind out of 1/3 and get back to 2/5 then I can settle into a reasonable sustainable schedule.

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Originally Posted by trob888
And lack of a haircut
I got enough haircuts in the military haha.

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Originally Posted by BigggTymeR
Great thread! GL OP, live grind looks sick!
TY, the live grind is sick for sure in more ways than 1!

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Originally Posted by ZomBParadox
Great advice. This was something I knew I needed to do at the table, but due to work constraints, I found it harder to implement that originally thought. But I echo the wisdom of being disciplined enough to do it. Friends didn't understand when I said I'd do better when playing full time vs. part time, because I would have the freedom to do this.

I also struggled with playing with a smaller bankroll, and my w/r dropped a bit when doing so. I hated the bad habits I was picking up, and chose to stop completely vs. continuing, until I had a healthier bankroll. Be wary of your adjustments when doing this yourself. If you find it affects your game significantly, pad your buyin requirements for a while, until it becomes a non issue.

In those last 2 hands listed.. I don't believe villain in hand 2, did he not show? If you had played hand 2 like hand 1, I can see you taking it down on the turn.... not disgreeing with how you played it, just looking at the other side of the coin, playing devil's advocate.

Progress report looks good, thinking seems solid. Carry on and play well.
I'll work with what I have, adapting is a key skill in poker. Actually when I was well rolled I sometimes played too loose thinking 'well if he has me beat I can just reload'. So being underrolled can help you play tighter and better in some cases.

He didn't show in H2 but I am 90% sure he had it, no reason to lie really. How often do you see tight players bet 100 otr as a bluff? The worst he could really be betting ott is AQ or QJ, shoving would have been catastrophic 3 outs to chop . No point in raising there, I won't get any hand better than mine to fold and worse hands won't call. Qx is small part of villains range and when I call Qx only has 10% equity at best.

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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
happy birthday pure
Tyvm! I just turned 25 yesterday, I feel like I am becoming more mature. I havn't been in any trouble with the law recently and I've kicked my drinking habit, the future is bright.

Mini Challenge

Hrs 0/40

January 2014

Total hours played- 126.5
Average hourly winrate- $30
Winnings- $3740

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01-26-2014 , 10:00 AM
Good job, mate. Tear 'em up!
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01-28-2014 , 04:54 AM
Keep up the good work pureaggression, I really enjoy your informative posts.
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01-28-2014 , 02:45 PM
Happy Birthday! Have a great year
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01-28-2014 , 09:27 PM
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Good luck.
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01-28-2014 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Randal_Graves
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Good luck.
Just subscribe to the thread, it's easy
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01-29-2014 , 11:06 AM
Hey keep doing well and I am moving into town really soon and suddenly, so we will have to meet up if you want (even if I cannot play this year, lol, other things to do besides play in the city).
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01-30-2014 , 06:10 AM
"Sometimes the situation is only a problem because it is looked at in a certain way. Looked at in another way, the right course of action may be so obvious that the problem no longer exists." - Edward de Bono

I think is very applicable to playing poker, once we figure out the correct perspective things become very simple.

Wynn... ironically I tend to lose here most of the time



Here is a degen story like I've been promising. I posted a few stories back in August starting at post #1748 in case anyone is interested.

This takes place back in early 2009. After being introduced to Jackson Rancheria, an Indian casino 3 hrs from the Bay Area, I was hooked. I would go out there more and more often. I would go out the once or twice a week sometimes. It was kind of a retreat from my round the clock gig of slinging drugs. People would blow up my phone 24/7.

I remember selling some of my bad ass guitar equipment to come up with cash to go gamble. It was ****ing ******ed too, I went to Guitar Center because I new I could sell the gear instantly. I drove to San Jose and sold my Peavey 6505+ tube amp and my H. R. Giger Ibanez RG, both I bought new for over $2k and I got $650 from Guitar Center. They cut me a check I cashed it at the nearest bank and drove to Jackson. I can't really remember but I am pretty sure I lost it all that night.

Sometimes I would recruit friends to come sometimes I would venture solo. My routine was to drive out at night, play 1/2 nl until the game broke. I would crash in my car in the parking garage then wake up in the morning and wait around until the game started again at 9AM or so. I also liked playing this roulette machine, I usually never won or lost too much playing roulette. I always lost when I played Black Jack, pai gow, or slots.

Then in April I started school at the Art Institute of CA in downtown San Francisco, I was going to get an associates degree in Graphic Design. I dropped out after going like 3 days. I was distracted by my gambling habit, drinking habit and I was concerned my time spent at school and the 1.5 hr commute each way was cutting into my drug dealing revenue.

My parents had paid for the first quarter along with some student loans. About 2 weeks after I stopped going to class I got a letter in the mail, I open it up and there is refund check for $1.5k. That is the most money I had seen since I got out of the Army. Of course the degen inside me instantly thinks of Jackson. I hit up Ryan and a few other friends and we go to Jackson. I let Ryan borrow $300. I start playing the roulette machine. I start betting 20 on red/black then 50. Then I start betting 100 a spin on red/black which is the max bet. I win a few times and am up a few hundo. Then things get ugly I lose all my credit. I am frantically feeding in $100 bills so I can bet before the next spin. I keep losing and of course I end up donking off over $1k in that ****ing hypnotic machine.

I go find Ryan at the Black Jack tables. He is doing alright he had turned that $300 into $600 betting like $5 and $10 a hand. I tell him I busted, I rail him for a bit and convince him to let me have $100 of the money he borrowed back. I head up to the poker room to play some 1/2 and ran it up to $400. I got to thinking, I always lose at everything else besides poker, I should just stick to poker.

Anyhow my parents eventually found out that I had stopped going to school and figured out that I degened off the money, and they were understandable upset. I can't help but wonder where I would be now if I had stayed in college. I still think about going back to college, not only for the education but also for the social experience.

A couple weeks later I ended up getting pulled over driving down 99 with a little less than an ounce of bud, a scale, a ton of dime bags. They also found a pair of brass knuckles that I had won in a HU poker match with my buddy Curly. So I ended up taking a plea deal and went down for 6 months in county.

Looking back that was a pretty embarrassing low point in my life. I have a few other stories I might tell if I get the urge to write more.

Hand 1:

V1 (192)- 40 yo white male, loose, have seen him semi bluff and bluff missed draws
V2 (700)- 40 yo Indian male, LAG, takes stabs at a lot of flops, station
Hero's Image (650)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop btn straddled pot (10):
Hero is BB dealt QJ
V1 limps LP, V2 raises from SB to 15, Hero calls, V1 calls, btn calls.

Flop (54):
T98
V1 bets 20, Hero raises to 60, V2 ships for 177, V1 folds, Hero calls.

I am getting decent pot odds and there are plenty of fds, sets, 2p, str8s in V2's range

Spoiler:
villain shows A5 and catches up, nh sir


Hand 2:

V1 (500)- 40 yo white male, tag
V2 (400)- 40 yo white female, loose, takes stabs
Hero's Image (700)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is MP dealt AA
Hero raises to 12, V1 calls LP, V2 calls from BB.

Flop (34):
773
V2 bets 15, Hero calls, V1 calls.

Turn (78):
9
V2 checks, Hero bets 30, V1 raises to 80, V2 folds, Hero calls.

River (238):
J
Hero bets 80, V1 raises to 240, Hero folds.

I probably should have folded to the raise ott as he probably has 99 or 7x most of the time. I put out a blocking bet otr and I don't think he is ever putting in a big raise here with out a better value hand.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach McGuirk
Good job, mate. Tear 'em up!
Thanks, will do!

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Originally Posted by flopturntree
Keep up the good work pureaggression, I really enjoy your informative posts.
Thanks, I am glad you like them!

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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
Happy Birthday! Have a great year
Tyvm, have a solid year yourself!

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Originally Posted by Randal_Graves
Posting again because this thread stopped showing up on my participated tab on the app.

Good luck.
Right on!

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Originally Posted by RunninMan5K
Hey keep doing well and I am moving into town really soon and suddenly, so we will have to meet up if you want (even if I cannot play this year, lol, other things to do besides play in the city).
Cool. As I've said before I am always down to meet up with 2p2ers, we can grab a bite or something.

I am not doing very well volume wise. I just haven't been sleeping that well and feeling too tired to play long sessions. I really shouldn't be making any excuses though. This year is the year I will form good habits and slacking off is not acceptable.

Mini Challenge

Hrs 14.5/40

January 2014

Total hours played- 141
Average hourly winrate- $31
Winnings- $4434

Last edited by pure_aggression; 01-30-2014 at 06:19 AM.
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01-30-2014 , 08:46 PM
did you write down villain stacks in reverse on hand 1?

How many combos of flushes vs combos of hands you are ahead of on hand 1?

Exercise will help with the sleeping.

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01-30-2014 , 09:07 PM
Oops, yeah V2 bet 20, V1 shipped. I am getting 3 to 1, I need 25% equity to call. I stoved it I have about %40 equity. If he has a flush I'm drawing dead but there are plenty of things he can have besides a flush.
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02-02-2014 , 04:33 PM
"I believe life is a series of near misses. A lot of what we ascribe to luck is not luck at all. It's seizing the day and accepting responsibility for our future. It's seeing what other people don't see and pursuing that vision." - Howard Schultz

I spotted a rainbow even though is didn't even rain just a little bit of mist, looks like Mt Charlston got a little bit of a dusting



January Graph



$4713 over 144.5 hrs

I am pretty happy with my play last month, I still need to get in a little more volume. I think 200 is past the threshold of hrs I want to play I think 160 hrs this month is a good target.

I've started another 10 day mini challenge, the goal is 60 hrs played. I've failed 2 out of 3 so far this year, time to buckle down and execute.

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Originally Posted by ZomBParadox
Exercise will help with the sleeping.
I have been knocking out push ups and sit ups every morning, I am probably in the best shape I've been in since leaving the Army.

I want to get out and do some running and hiking. It is the perfect time of year before the obscene temperatures start to kick in.

Part of the sleep problems came from some heavy demolition they were doing behind my apartment building.

Mini Challenge

Hrs 7/60

February 2014

Total hours played- 5
Average hourly winrate- -$36
Winnings- -$180

2014 YTD

Total hours played- 149.5
Average hourly winrate- $30
Winnings- $4533
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02-02-2014 , 06:22 PM
That's a pretty sick month man. Good job putting in good volume and playing well.

I only played about 115 this month so this inspires me to work a little harder.

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02-02-2014 , 10:13 PM
Very nice month. Keep it up
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02-03-2014 , 02:46 PM
That's a great start to 2014 Pure; has to be one of the best months in the past few years when combining volume and hourly. Keep it up!
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02-03-2014 , 04:15 PM
The key to accomplishing your goals is to make consistent smart decisions. Keep busting your ass off, get up to 2/5 for the wsop then take a nice vacation this summer
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02-04-2014 , 02:04 AM
"To keep from getting too far ahead of myself, I can apply to life what I have learned from running in the woods: The step in front of you is the most important one." - Annie Morris

Palazzo, played here a few times when they were remodeling the V



I have posted tons of hh the last few months, felt like taking a little break. I am going to get back on it after the next session and get back involved in LLSNL which I haven't been in there few a couple weeks, but I think it has been very beneficial to help think strategically.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyBlaze
That's a pretty sick month man. Good job putting in good volume and playing well.

I only played about 115 this month so this inspires me to work a little harder.

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Thanks dude, glad I can provide a little inspiration.

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Originally Posted by ECGrinder
Very nice month. Keep it up
Right on!

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Originally Posted by -Sobo-
That's a great start to 2014 Pure; has to be one of the best months in the past few years when combining volume and hourly. Keep it up!
Yep definitely top ten personally. I am happy to begin the year with a good omen. I still want to increase my volume by 10% but I think that should be achievable. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by 11t
The key to accomplishing your goals is to make consistent smart decisions. Keep busting your ass off, get up to 2/5 for the wsop then take a nice vacation this summer
Yep, I feel if I can avoid any glaring mistakes and just play a fundamentally solid game the profits will roll in. I will keep my foot on the gas, like you said I want to be in a position to take full advantage of the plethora of 2/5 games spread during wsop. I should plan to take a well deserved vacation to celebrate victory following that.

Mini Challenge

Hrs 13.5/60

February 2014

Total hours played- 12
Average hourly winrate- $20
Winnings- $243

2014 YTD

Total hours played- 156.5
Average hourly winrate- $32
Winnings- $4956
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02-04-2014 , 02:24 AM
best wishes for true grinders!good luck!I will grind my way to sne online 2014.
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02-04-2014 , 09:08 AM
great first month of the year man, exactly the hourly I want to do once I start playing again but hopefully at 200 hours...gosh, I don't think if I move out I will be able to not play (trying not to play the whole year), the games will be too good in June, lol
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02-05-2014 , 04:19 AM
"Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." - Albert Einstein

The Strip seen from Orleans



I got is a pretty long session, I think I played well for the most part. The trickiest spot I got into I will post in LLSNL. I am going to start throwing in my thought process in italics to clear up my hhs a little.

Hand 1:

V1 (300)- 35 yo white male, tag
V2 (500)- 40 yo white male, tight straight forward
Hero's Image (550)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is MP dealt 44
V1 raises to 8 UTG, Hero calls, V2 calls from SB.

Flop (20):
875
Checks to Hero who bets 17, V2 calls, V1 folds.

Turn (52):
6
V2 bets 20, Hero raises to 40, V2 jams, Hero folds.

I figured I could raise and get called by 2p or sets, 9x probably 3bs which is what happened. I could have called but I will probably be facing another bet OTR.

Hand 2:

V1 (300)- 40 yo white male, tight
V2 (200)- 30 yo Asian male, nit
Hero's Image (500)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is MP dealt AT
Hero raises to 12, V1 calls MP, V2 calls from BB.

Flop (32):
A97
V2 checks, Hero bets 12, V1 calls, V2 calls.

Turn (68):
K
V2 checks, Hero checks, V1 bets 35, V2 folds, Hero folds.

I slow down OTT because my kicker is not great, I don't think I can get value from A8 or worse, V2 bets I just don't think I am good here and might face another bet OTR so I let it go.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrated_zerg
best wishes for true grinders!good luck!I will grind my way to sne online 2014.
Right on brother, have fun smashing those pokerstars donks.

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Originally Posted by RunninMan5K
great first month of the year man, exactly the hourly I want to do once I start playing again but hopefully at 200 hours...gosh, I don't think if I move out I will be able to not play (trying not to play the whole year), the games will be too good in June, lol
Thanks, 200 hrs is elusively tough at least for me. Living in Vegas and not playing poker sounds pretty hard as well.

Mini Challenge

Hrs 21.5/60

February 2014

Total hours played- 20
Average hourly winrate- $0
Winnings- $4

2014 YTD

Total hours played- 164.5
Average hourly winrate- $29
Winnings- $4717
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02-05-2014 , 11:26 AM
Kind of dying to hear what the results were on the aqss hand
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02-05-2014 , 05:51 PM
Was your last month all one two, or was there two five mixed in those results as well?
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02-06-2014 , 05:15 AM
"Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

The Strip



I think I played some hands poorly during this session. I am happy I put in good hrs though.

Hand 1:

V1 (347)- 50 yo white male, nit
Hero's Image (550)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is BB dealt AK
V1 raises to 10 from MP, 2 LP callers, Hero 3b to 60, V1 calls, others fold.

Flop (136):
QT5
Hero bets 80, V1 calls.

Turn (296):
6
Hero checks, V1 bets 100, Hero calls.

River (496):
6
Hero checks, V1 bets 107, Hero calls.

I think this is probably a bad board to cbet, his 3b calling range is probably really tight like TT+, AQs+, AK

OTT I should just give up, only 4 clean outs, There are very few hands I can beat if I hit an ace or king. Calling here was a big error.

OTR I bink an ace and I c/c, I guess I should've just jammed to hope KK calls. I can't consider c/f here with the pot so bloated right?


Spoiler:
V1 shows QQ nh sir


Hand 2:

V1 (300)- 40 yo white male, loose station
V2 (245)- 30 yo white male, just sat down haven't seen him involved in a meaningful pot
Hero's Image (500)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (4):
Hero is SB dealt KQ
4 limps, Hero raises to 24, V1 calls from MP, V2 calls from BTN.

Flop (76):
AQ3
Hero bets 50, V1 folds, V2 jams for 221 total, Hero folds.

I guess I have to give V2 credit for Ax, any merit to checking this flop?

Spoiler:
V2 shows 62 nice play sir


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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
Kind of dying to hear what the results were on the aqss hand
Yeah that was a weird hand, I'll go post the results now.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bubonicplay
Was your last month all one two, or was there two five mixed in those results as well?
January broken down by stake-

+903 over 68 hrs at 1/2
+4063 over 75.5 hrs at 1/3 (some 300 max some 500 max)
-253 over .5 hrs at 2/5 (only played once while waiting for 1/3 and GII with QQ vs 99 on a ten high flop and lost)

Mini Challenge

Hrs 29.5/60

February 2014

Total hours played- 28
Average hourly winrate- -$29
Winnings- -$833

2014 YTD

Total hours played- 172.5
Average hourly winrate- $22
Winnings- $3880

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02-06-2014 , 05:30 AM
Sorry man I don't like either of those hands.

Based on the limited read of V1 in H1, I am probably 3-betting smaller if I 3-bet and totally giving up on the flop. You whiffed. He raised and called a 3-bet. He's a '50-year-old NIT.' The only thing he's folding out is JJ. Is that a high enough % of his hands that it's worth it? IDK. Not surprised by the spoiler.

In H2, I generally just complete here. We have the worst position imaginable after the flop. I just would rather keep the pot small here OOP.
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02-06-2014 , 07:41 PM
Hand 1 I am pretty much shutting down on that board texture in a 3bet pot. Just connects with too much of your villains range.

Hand 2 I probably play the same. Sometimes I'll just complete if I know the pot will go 5-way if I raise but I don't mind going three handed. Being oop here sucks obviously because with the same hand ip I think you can check it back since its kind of a way ahead/way behind spot. If your villains are passive enough you could prob c/f confident enough that a bet usually means an ace.

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