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09-07-2013 , 02:02 AM
Are you shortstacking at the V right now?
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09-07-2013 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyCopter
Are you shortstacking at the V right now?
Walk over and find out. Oh the suspense!
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09-07-2013 , 02:09 AM




The tallest structure in Vegas

I'm looking to get back into it and put in some volume this weekend.

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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
+1 to moar flashback stories
Duly noted.

August 2013

Total hours played- 4
Average hourly winrate- $49
Winnings- $196

2013 YTD

hours played- 1275
Average hourly winrate- $18
Winnings- $22847
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09-07-2013 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
September 2013

Total hours played- 4
Average hourly winrate- $49
Winnings- $196
FYP, I think.

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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
I have most of my paintings uploaded here: unconventional-art.deviantart.com
If it wouldn't be for the insane shipping costs to my current location I would be truly interested in some of your paitings. I think some of them are very good. I like its organized choas by keeping it simple and in disarray at the same time.
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09-07-2013 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MaddieNL
FYP, I think.

If it wouldn't be for the insane shipping costs to my current location I would be truly interested in some of your paitings. I think some of them are very good. I like its organized choas by keeping it simple and in disarray at the same time.
Nice catch, I definitely don't want to repeat August.

Thanks for the praise. I think my style is fairly unique. I just kind of experiment and don't have to follow any rules. I have been creating a lot of new stuff recently, I haven't exihited my work in a long time. The last show I did was with my older brother his art is doing crazy manipulation with photoshop. Hopefully I'll be able to do another soon.
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09-07-2013 , 09:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaU5...e_gdata_player

Here is my first attempt at a vlog. It is a little slice of poker wisdom from my few years in the game. The video came out a little shakey and the last couple seconds got cut off but whatever only two takes and too lazy to redo it. I'm sure the next ones will be better, I plan on posting a vlog here every once in a while.

September 2013

Total hours played- 5.5
Average hourly winrate- $67
Winnings- $366

2013 YTD

hours played- 1276.5
Average hourly winrate- $18
Winnings- $23017
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09-07-2013 , 09:55 AM
Cool man, appreciate your vlog and this thread good luck at the tables and in life.

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09-07-2013 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaU5...e_gdata_player

Here is my first attempt at a vlog. It is a little slice of poker wisdom from my few years in the game. The video came out a little shakey and the last couple seconds got cut off but whatever only two takes and too lazy to redo it. I'm sure the next ones will be better, I plan on posting a vlog here every once in a while.

September 2013

Total hours played- 5.5
Average hourly winrate- $67
Winnings- $366

2013 YTD

hours played- 1276.5
Average hourly winrate- $18
Winnings- $23017
good stuff
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09-07-2013 , 08:02 PM
+1 to getting back to the East Coast and back to a backing/coaching arrangement. The period when you were doing that seemed to be your best results during your whole poker career.

From here it looks like your back in a rut of putting in self-mutilating hours to tread water at 1/2.

I feel like we've known each other long enough that I can be blunt: what you're doing now isn't working for you. It's time to try a new approach. You've been setting these huge hourly goals for a couple years now, and they don't seem to be giving you the kind of success you want (remember that if you average $18 an hour, than one $200 mistake throws away over 10 hours(!) of hard work).

What would happen if, for say, the next two months, you experimented with having no set hourly goals, but just had a goal of playing when you felt good and the game was good. Or just trying to win a certain amount of money (I know I know, this is antithetical to blah blah blah theory), but it seems no less crazy that forcing yourself to play back to back 12 hour sessions at 1/3. I know that some people (like DHGC86, it seems) can put in crazy hours and play sharp the whole time, but most people can't.

Think how awesome it would be if you could sit down fresh at a table full of people you knew had been playing for 12 hours. Makes you salivate, right? So why give up that to others?

I'm just riffing here, I don't know what the best path for you is. But you're too smart and have put in too much hard work and care about this too much to still be playing 1/2 or 1/3 after all this time. You have people who want to help you out. TAKE THE HELP.

Ok. End of rant. Getting down off my soap box now...
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09-07-2013 , 10:46 PM
I agree with above...need to figure out what works best. just saying you will force yourself to play 50 hrs/wk is just killer. That's about as bad as working a cubicle. You're forced to work a set number of hours when you are the most productive/unproductive. you should only work when you feel like it. Granted, you need to have a little work ethic to work hard to succeed. But putting in hours when you don't feel like it is the worst for your game. If you want to put in hours, but don't feel like playing, study the game more. At least either way you are wasting your time, while one of them doesn't waste money. Best time of my life in online poker was playing lower volume and only when I felt like it. When I started doing schedules and cramming volume, I played worse. If you truly don't feel like playing enough to make it serious, then poker probably isn't what you are meant to do. Maybe you enjoy playing a lot of hours because you enjoy the game...but hopefully it isn't just because you have to win a bet or feel like you need to play that much to be successful. Nice vlog btw!
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09-07-2013 , 11:06 PM
I have been running good lately.
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09-09-2013 , 01:22 AM
I got in good volume, I'll give myself a B for the session. I spewed in a couple spots but played well the rest of the session.

Some Italian guy told me this expression that I thought was funny- "I spent my money on hookers and gambling, the rest I wasted."

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Originally Posted by Gamblerio
Cool man, appreciate your vlog and this thread good luck at the tables and in life.

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Thanks, glad you liked it!




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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
good stuff
Thanks!


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Originally Posted by buckminster1
+1 to getting back to the East Coast and back to a backing/coaching arrangement. The period when you were doing that seemed to be your best results during your whole poker career.

From here it looks like your back in a rut of putting in self-mutilating hours to tread water at 1/2.

I feel like we've known each other long enough that I can be blunt: what you're doing now isn't working for you. It's time to try a new approach. You've been setting these huge hourly goals for a couple years now, and they don't seem to be giving you the kind of success you want (remember that if you average $18 an hour, than one $200 mistake throws away over 10 hours(!) of hard work).

What would happen if, for say, the next two months, you experimented with having no set hourly goals, but just had a goal of playing when you felt good and the game was good. Or just trying to win a certain amount of money (I know I know, this is antithetical to blah blah blah theory), but it seems no less crazy that forcing yourself to play back to back 12 hour sessions at 1/3. I know that some people (like DHGC86, it seems) can put in crazy hours and play sharp the whole time, but most people can't.

Think how awesome it would be if you could sit down fresh at a table full of people you knew had been playing for 12 hours. Makes you salivate, right? So why give up that to others?

I'm just riffing here, I don't know what the best path for you is. But you're too smart and have put in too much hard work and care about this too much to still be playing 1/2 or 1/3 after all this time. You have people who want to help you out. TAKE THE HELP.

Ok. End of rant. Getting down off my soap box now...

I very much appreciate the sentiment, feel free to speak your mind.

I really don't believe volume goals are directly responsible for my subpar results. In fact my most profitable 8.7k month I played 200 hrs. Now I will agree playing four 12 hr sessions back to back was probably not a smart decision but it did demonstrate will power which is a positive attribute. It just comes down to playing well or not.

I'm not sure you are aware of the recent dispute between Kydd and dhcg86, regardless I was leaning toward staying in Vegas anyhow. If I were to go out to play at MDLive it would be a completely different situation than at Borgata, no free room comps and I would need transportation. Besides all that I can't even afford a plane ticket out there. Sure it was helpful to get hh reviews from a coach but I can go over hands by myself and I can usually spot my own leaks.

I really want to stay independent and I am confident I can make it on my own if I work hard and play disciplined. There are plenty of 1/2 and 1/3 games out here where I can build my bankroll at. My winrate at the smaller games is only a couple dollars less than my 2/5 winrate minus my backers cut. I am humble and I don't mind grinding the small stakes. I know if I stick at it eventually I'll be back where I've been before and further.

What you said about $200 mistakes is very true. I probably won't set a volume goal for this month because hopefully I can save enough to make it back to the Bay for a few days to chill with Ryan and other friends. Thanks for your thoughts as always I'll see you around.


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Originally Posted by bef99hwk
I agree with above...need to figure out what works best. just saying you will force yourself to play 50 hrs/wk is just killer. That's about as bad as working a cubicle. You're forced to work a set number of hours when you are the most productive/unproductive. you should only work when you feel like it. Granted, you need to have a little work ethic to work hard to succeed. But putting in hours when you don't feel like it is the worst for your game. If you want to put in hours, but don't feel like playing, study the game more. At least either way you are wasting your time, while one of them doesn't waste money. Best time of my life in online poker was playing lower volume and only when I felt like it. When I started doing schedules and cramming volume, I played worse. If you truly don't feel like playing enough to make it serious, then poker probably isn't what you are meant to do. Maybe you enjoy playing a lot of hours because you enjoy the game...but hopefully it isn't just because you have to win a bet or feel like you need to play that much to be successful. Nice vlog btw!
I really do think it is going to take hard work for me to be successful. I am going to have to put in lots of volume and play A game as much as possible. I am going to be sure to put in more study time aswell. I want to post more hands and comment on more hands in LLSNL.


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Originally Posted by serio562
I have been running good lately.
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September 2013

Total hours played- 15
Average hourly winrate- $2
Winnings- $34

2013 YTD

hours played- 1286
Average hourly winrate- $18
Winnings- $23685

Last edited by pure_aggression; 09-09-2013 at 01:29 AM.
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09-09-2013 , 02:41 AM
Where do you play now mostly? Do any places give you rakeback? I like your determination.
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09-09-2013 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Where do you play now mostly? Do any places give you rakeback? I like your determination.
I play mostly at Aria, Bellagio, Wynn and Venetian. All are 10% 4 max rake which is the lowest and $2/hr comps.

The only place on the strip that I know of offering rakeback for nl is TI but their poker room sucks and I think being able to game select is of more value then playing at a table populated with promo chasing nits.
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09-09-2013 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
Sure it was helpful to get hh reviews from a coach but I can go over hands by myself and I can usually spot my own leaks.
With this mindset, there is no reason to be staked, imo. A lot of the value of staking is the value you get from coaching, and if you don't utilize that, then you're just wasting the % of profit you're giving up. You definitely used me as a source of information pretty infrequently.

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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
I really want to stay independent and I am confident I can make it on my own if I work hard and play disciplined. There are plenty of 1/2 and 1/3 games out here where I can build my bankroll at. My winrate at the smaller games is only a couple dollars less than my 2/5 winrate minus my backers cut. I am humble and I don't mind grinding the small stakes. I know if I stick at it eventually I'll be back where I've been before and further.

I really do think it is going to take hard work for me to be successful. I am going to have to put in lots of volume and play A game as much as possible. I am going to be sure to put in more study time aswell. I want to post more hands and comment on more hands in LLSNL.
It sounds like being independent is better for you - though you know I'm happy to stake you, and I'm sure other people would be as well.

I certainly respect the grind of wanting to do it all on your own and put in the hard work. That's how I did it, and I think I'm better for it.

Best of luck, I'll continue to enjoy your climb.
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09-10-2013 , 08:39 AM


The Plaza

It was a rainy day today. I was riding the bus doing errands and decided to check out The Plaza downtown which just opened their poker room today which consists of 3 pokerpro electronic tables. They offer the lowest rake and will spread almost any game or stakes. I would be interested in getting a .25/.50 or .50/1 PLO game going sometime. If any of you are in town and want to play shoot me a pm.

There was no game running when I got there (they did run a morning tourney) but the guy in charge was considerate enough to demo a nlhe and plo hand with me. I like the tables, have never played at an electronic table before.

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Originally Posted by KyddDynamite
With this mindset, there is no reason to be staked, imo. A lot of the value of staking is the value you get from coaching, and if you don't utilize that, then you're just wasting the % of profit you're giving up. You definitely used me as a source of information pretty infrequently.

It sounds like being independent is better for you - though you know I'm happy to stake you, and I'm sure other people would be as well.

I certainly respect the grind of wanting to do it all on your own and put in the hard work. That's how I did it, and I think I'm better for it.

Best of luck, I'll continue to enjoy your climb.
I definitely see this mission to rebuild from practically nothing as a test of my character. I know I am resilient and can be self sufficient. I welcome the challenge and see it as positive thing.

Thanks I'll keep that in mind, I am grateful for the opportunity I had to work with you.

Keep crushing those east coast donks esspecially the dirtbag lawyers and politicians!

September 2013

Total hours played- 23
Average hourly winrate- $0
Winnings- $11

2013 YTD

hours played- 1294
Average hourly winrate- $18
Winnings- $22662
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09-13-2013 , 10:13 PM
I haven't been playing much this month, kinda been feeling burnt out and going through a decent sized breakeven stretch at the moment. My bankroll has dwindled down to $127. I'll be short stacking until I can gain some traction.

It's funny how I joked about roaming the strip in a character suit for cash if I were to go busto. I don't have to dress up in a suit I've been playing my electric guitar on the pedestrian bridges usually Harmon or Flamingo. I can't perform for much longer than 3 hrs before my wrist and arm starts to hurt. I really enjoy sharing my music, not quite as cool as gigging with the band back in Oakland but still fun. I play a different style than most other guitarists out here so I am happy to bring a little balance to the scene and hopefully add a little bit of value to the lives of everyone who passes by. Maybe I'll post a vid of me shredding sometime.

I am going to check out Mt Charleston this week with a friend, I'll be sure to take pics. I am also looking forward to the Summerlin Art Festival next month. I went last year, it is basically like First Friday accept they also have a bunch of artists creating chalk murals on the sidewalk. I signed up to do one this year so it should be a good time.

Hand 1:

V1 (400)- 60 yo white male, tight
V2 (200)- 35 yo white male, loose
Hero's Image (78)- 25 yo white male, nit

Preflop (3):
Hero is LP dealt AQ, V2 limps UTG, MP limps, Hero raises to 12 in LP, V1 looks like he is considering 3betting thinks for a bit then calls from BB, V2 calls, other limped folds.

Flop (33):
JT8,
Checked to Hero who bets 12, V1 c/r to 30, V2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn (92):
T
V1 bets 30, Hero calls.

River (152):
8
V1 bets 6, Hero folds.

Spoiler:
V1 shows JJ nh sir, at least I had 1 out ott


September 2013

Total hours played- 27
Average hourly winrate- -$2
Winnings- -$65

2013 YTD

hours played- 1298
Average hourly winrate- $17
Winnings- $22586

Last edited by pure_aggression; 09-13-2013 at 10:18 PM.
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09-13-2013 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
I haven't been playing much this month, kinda been feeling burnt out and going through a decent sized breakeven stretch at the moment. My bankroll has dwindled down to $127. I'll be short stacking until I can gain some traction.

It's funny how I joked about roaming the strip in a character suit for cash if I were to go busto. I don't have to dress up in a suit I've been playing my electric guitar on the pedestrian bridges usually Harmon or Flamingo. I can't perform for much longer than 3 hrs before my wrist and arm starts to hurt. I really enjoy sharing my music, not quite as cool as gigging with the band back in Oakland but still fun. I play a different style than most other guitarists out here so I am happy to bring a little balance to the scene and hopefully add a little bit of value to the lives of everyone who passes by. Maybe I'll post a vid of me shredding sometime.

I am going to check out Mt Charleston this week with a friend, I'll be sure to take pics. I am also looking forward to the Summerlin Art Festival next month. I went last year, it is basically like First Friday accept they also have a bunch of artists creating chalk murals on the sidewalk. I signed up to do one this year so it should be a good time.

Hand 1:

V1 (400)- 60 yo white male, tight
V2 (200)- 35 yo white male, loose
Hero's Image (78)- 25 yo white male, nit

Preflop (3):
Hero is LP dealt AQ, V2 limps UTG, MP limps, Hero raises to 12 in LP, V1 looks like he is considering 3betting thinks for a bit then calls from BB, V2 calls, other limped folds.

Flop (33):
JT8,
Checked to Hero who bets 12, V1 c/r to 30, V2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn (92):
T
V1 bets 30, Hero calls.

River (152):
8
V1 bets 6, Hero folds.

Spoiler:
V1 shows JJ nh sir, at least I had 1 out ott


September 2013

Total hours played- 27
Average hourly winrate- -$2
Winnings- -$65

2013 YTD

hours played- 1298
Average hourly winrate- $17
Winnings- $22586


Sorry to hear that. It just goes to prove how tough it is to make a living at the lowest stakes.

Good luck. May the run good be with you.
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09-13-2013 , 10:28 PM
$127 a typo? gl turning it around!
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09-13-2013 , 11:19 PM
Yeah, hope it's a typo. I have been saying all along to grind them hours. GL
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09-14-2013 , 12:01 AM
I hope that is a typo as well pure. hope you can turn this around somehow and get things going back in the right direction

best of luck to ya
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09-14-2013 , 01:57 AM
Some recommendations for shredding. I used to love playing these songs when I played guitar. Except the last one, I never learned the intro solo, but loved listening to it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNIlUq45iNA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfI3nzIzrfw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NED7bbJ4FyM
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09-14-2013 , 03:38 AM
Vn played hand with AQhh, although you can ship there but that's been a leak for you so it is good to see you advancing
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09-14-2013 , 05:27 AM
$127? Jesus. Even if that's not a typo - have you considered looking for some kind of part time job out there? I have one here in Philly and it makes it a lot less stressful when I go through downswings. When I'm running hot I hate it and fantasize about quitting all the time. But overall it's worth it until you have a decent roll + a few months living expenses saved up.
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09-14-2013 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyBlaze
$127? Jesus. Even if that's not a typo - have you considered looking for some kind of part time job out there? I have one here in Philly and it makes it a lot less stressful when I go through downswings. When I'm running hot I hate it and fantasize about quitting all the time. But overall it's worth it until you have a decent roll + a few months living expenses saved up.
Cutting expenditures might have better results? Good luck.
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