A comment on your reason not to play since it's raining - do you do this often? I feel like it's a pretty arbitrary reason since you'd be playing indoors anyway. i'm not a psychologist and i'm not trying to be one, but I feel that would cut into your productive hours a lot if you can write off work for any reason like this.

And re:HU so you wouldn't want to do HU holdem? Just like a friendly .5/1 200bb game or something? I don't feel competent enough at PLO to play HU vs you sorry. I'm more interested in talking with you about the game rather than the actual HU though.

I don't have a car but it doesn't rain often in Vegas so not that big a deal. I find HU nlhe boring compared to plo, I'm really out of practice anyhow. I'm down to meet up at m8trix and we can just grab food and chat.

Ok. I'm 20 so I have a hit or miss with m8trix. Played like 10 times, turned away twice so they don't care too much. Mid-week later at night (1am or so) would be better for me.

Nice laydown, but my question is this... Why is your betsizing so small on the turn and rivers? I've noticed a consistent theme in your HH that your betsizing appears too small, and you end up missing out on value.

I like 12-25-55, nice runout for your hand.

I only played a half day. Here is one gross spot I got in-

Hand 1:

V1 (400)- 50 yo white male, been pretty active, raising pf and barreling postflop hasn't had to showdown much yet
V2 (200)- 30 yo white male, loose passive
V3 (250)- 40 to white male, loose passive
Hero's Image (600)- 25 yo white male, TAG

Preflop (3):
Hero is MP dealt KT,
V1 raises to 8 from MP, Hero calls from MP, V2 calls from LP, V3 calls from BTN, blinds fold.

Flop (32):
K69
V1 bets 15
Hero calls, V2 calls, V3 calls.

Turn (91):
4
V1 bets 20
Hero calls, the rest fold.

River (131):
T

V1 bets 40, Hero raises to 80, V1 3bets to 140, Hero calls.

I call the flop, based on frequency V1 has a lot of air in his range and mhig most of the time.

On the turn I pick up 2ndnfd, I consider raising. I decide to call again mostly because raising will fold out his bluffs and will mostly get called by hands that beat me. V2 and V3 are still yet to act.

River gives me t2p and I try get value from Kx. I am kinda caught off guard when he repops it. It is hard to image he takes this line with a set. In general river raises are nutted, river 3bets even more so. I think I should probably just fold here even though I'm getting sick pot odds.



I'll hit you up when I'm in the area.

I would agree bet sizing and going for max value is something I need to work on. I guess I tend to underestimate how much some villains will call with worse in some spots.

August 2013

Total hours played- 113
Average hourly winrate- $4
Winnings- $495

2013 YTD

hours played- 1164.5
Average hourly winrate- $20
Winnings- $22937

Easy to second guess but is it too nitty to fold pf?

vs active villain in position, yes much too nitty.

moonrise at sunset park

I'm slacking on the volume a little bit, haven't been in the mood to play much. I am definitely going to put in some long sessions this weekend.

Hand 1:

V1 (200)- 30 yo white male, recently sat down
V2 (200)- 35 yo white male, recently sat down
V3 (266)- 45 yo white male, saw him bet middle pair no kicker on flop and turn
V4 (87)- 35 yo white female, saw her limp call QQ then c/r flop
Hero's Image (350)- 25 yo white male, TAG

Preflop (3):
Hero is BB dealt A3,
V1 raises to 12 from EP, V2 calls from MP, V3 calls from MP, V4 calls from LP, Hero calls from BB.

Flop (45):
JJ2
V1 bets 20, V2 folds, V3 calls, V4 calls, Hero raises to 100, V1 folds, V2 folds, V3 jams for 254 total, V4 calls for 75 total, Hero calls.



Effective stacks are deep enough to call here. This hand makes strong, str8s and flushs. You have to play it cautiously if you only make tp. Easy fold pf vs most short stacks.

August 2013

Total hours played- 115.5
Average hourly winrate- $7
Winnings- $880

2013 YTD

hours played- 1167
Average hourly winrate- $20
Winnings- $22332

ah the old bluff jam with no FE into 3 opponents. sounds like something i'd do.

The first time you told the story I assumed that you got kicked out of the military because of the DUI and not just because of getting caught having a few beers?

There is a balance between trying to get max value out of every villain and giving villain's godlike implied odds.

REM - Range, Equity, Maximize. In Prof NLHE, Maximize is about getting the most out of a villain. It is not about how often will he call a small bet which you are doing. Overbetting $200 and getting called 10% is better than betting $19 and getting called 100% of the times.

One of the things is that, you're cheating yourself for real value on the river because your turn bet is so small, you can barely put anything in on the river.

If you bet larger on your turns and know how to thin value bet river, you can do it so much more often because pot is so large, villain's are more inclined on calling thin value. There are plenty more reasons as you do get played back at so much because your weak bets.

Most 1/2 villains don't look at how wet or dry the flop is. They look at your bet sizing. Your AA hand against ATo is a prime example.

My standard betting line for value against a call station, fish, $hitty reg, and any other sort of weak/passive player is...

$15-$18 pre
Pot flop.
Pot turn.
Shove river.

All of the villains above will let you know if they have top pair/top kick or an over-pair beat by check-raising/re-raising you.

(You obviously slow down a bit if flush card or oesd card comes in.)

DgiHarris calls this technique "The Prison Rape."

It works wonders against $200-$300 stacks.

Only a few times this year has a villain correctly just check/called me all the way down and I value owned myself.

All the other times I double through or felt them as they burn off their entire stack calling down w top pair...and the look on their face after is one of disgust, probably same kind of look they'd have if they were actually prison raped.

If I am in c-bet mode, but missed flop, I only bet 60% of the flop and then only double barrel A's or K's OTT because all $1/$2 villians love to put you on AK.

Also, it doesn't matter that you bet more when you actually have it. 95% of $1/$2 villains aren't going to be able to pick up on that/exploit you.

I prison rape.
Good luck, OP.

Nice post by lotgrinder, it's definitley a simplistic and effective approach to beating $1/2 for 10bb+/hr

Fake volcano in front of Mirage

I am guilty of being complacent lately, I really need to get my **** together and put in the hrs and stop playing sloppy. I think I have made more dumb mistakes this month than any other month this year. I am going to knock out a couple more mini challenges to close out the month. The last I tried was 150 hrs which I realize is too much for one challenge and I failed miserably so I still owe a session of PLO as suggested by Aesah. I am going to shoot for 50 hrs in 5 days. I am taking suggestions for some humiliating task I must do if I fail.

Hand 1:

V1 (400)- 30 yo white male, loose passive pf, will take stabs post
Hero's Image (350)- 25 yo white male, TAG

Preflop (3):
Hero is BTN dealt 88,
EP limps, V1 limps in LP, Hero raise to 18 from BTN, EP folds, V1 calls.

Flop (39):
AA6
V1 bets 20, Hero calls.

Turn (79):
7
V1 bets 30, Hero calls.

River (139):
J
Checks through.



I thought there was a chance no one had a J. I don't need my semibluff to be successful very often to be profitable since I have a premium draw nfd+bdwheel+over. I can get called by worse draws. The only hand that has me crushed is 22.


I got an article 15 for underage drinking while off duty, then a few months later I got a dwi while off duty which I admit was really dumb, big mistake. But I do know some people that had 3 dwis and were not chaptered.


Yeah, I remember reading that chapter. Good points, you are correct about how sizing on earlier streets really dictates how much value you can go for otr.

I think I played the AA vs AT hand fine accept I should have called the river. I have noticed people will spaz out much more frequently when I bet 1/3 pot.





Great post, thanks.

August 2013

Total hours played- 120
Average hourly winrate- $8
Winnings- $956

2013 YTD

hours played- 1192.5
Average hourly winrate- $20
Winnings- $23410

This thing is really starting to come together, interesting addition to the skyline

I ****ed up 3 hands so terribly I don't even have to post them because I know they were played atrociously.

I think I am going to venture back into LLSNL and post/comment on some hands.

Hand 1:

V1 (400)- 40 yo Euro male, loose passive
Hero's Image (300)- 25 yo white male, TAG

Preflop (4):
Hero is BB dealt 42,
EP opens for 10, 2 calls, V1 calls from SB, Hero calls from BB.

Flop (46):
832
V1 bets 30, Hero calls, the rest fold.

Turn (106):
A
V1 checks, Hero bets 90, V1 calls.

River (286):
J
V1 shoves, Hero folds.

Probably should fold pf. I am closing the action so maybe only slightly -EV.

I consider raising flop but decide to just call here.

Turn is a great card, it's a scare card and I pick up a gutter to go with my p+fd so I bet after he checks.

Hand 2:

V1 (36)- 50 yo white female, tight
V2 (500)- 40 yo Euro male, loose passive
Hero's Image (242)- 25 yo white male, nit

Preflop (4):
Hero is UTG dealt KK,
Hero opens for 15, V1 3bets AI for 36 from MP, V2 calls from SB, Hero 4bets to 101, V2 calls.

Flop (107)(sidepot130):
QQ9
V2 bets 141, Hero calls.



Not sure if I should have 4bet slightly bigger. As played I think I have to call here given pot odds but kind of a sick spot.

August 2013

Total hours played- 135
Average hourly winrate- $3
Winnings- $431

2013 YTD

hours played- 1207.5
Average hourly winrate- $20
Winnings- $22885

KK is fine.

42 is.. bleh but i am a huge nit. I would also bet like 65-70 on turn only. 90 just doesn't leave us with a great stack to shovel river as a bluff.

I'm at 144 hours.

Wanted to play 12 hours yesterday, but got a throbbing headache 8 hours into the session.

If you're going to do 10 hour days, I say take a dinner break at the half way point each time.

Gl on your sessions!!!

Iv had many conversations about playing low suited cards out the blinds in multiway pots, I dont really like it. You get yourself into trouble, a lot of the time your main aim is to flop a draw and x/c all the way OOP isn't great, and your draw is always usually pretty crappy. I either want position or the lead in hands, unless im just set mining then I dont care as much.

I dont mind raising this flop, the original raiser is going to have a hard time continuing with anything after a lead and a raise. You may be able to get it in v another FD and have an advantage with your pair + draw, you can get one pair to fold and worst case he has a set and you still aren't in terrible shape.

I am happy with how I played, didn't punt any stacks.


Good point on the sizing I could probably get away with smaller to accomplish the same thing.



Yep, that's generally what I do.




Yeah all good points, it is usually a spot to just fold pf. I guess it was more of a boredom call and I did have position on sb who is the loosest player at the table. Checking turn is also a viable option.

August 2013

Total hours played- 143.5
Average hourly winrate- $3
Winnings- $524

2013 YTD

hours played- 1215
Average hourly winrate- $19
Winnings- $22978

Very nice keep it up! I've done something similar except I never used zones.

42ss is terribly ----EV

At least you have best relative position after the PFR action

I'm going to have to focus and get it done the next 4 days, otherwise I have to ship lotgrinder some cash that he will no doubt rub on his titties.

I am going to post a video blog at the beginning of Sept, I already have a topic in mind so look out for that.

Thanks man!

Okay that hand is an easy fold pf, no excuse be a fish even if I get bored.

August 2013

Total hours played- 150
Average hourly winrate- $3
Winnings- $382

2013 YTD

hours played- 1220
Average hourly winrate- $19
Winnings- $22836

I'm planning on moving to Vegas soon myself with money earned playing poker. Hopefully by the end of the year.

GL hope everything continues to work out for you.

The Venetian

The plan is to play 4 twelve hr sessions. It is going to be tough but I can do it.

Hand 1:

V1 (50)- 50 yo asain male, tight
V2 (800)- 40 yo white male, LAG been doing some weird small 3bets with 83s and 44
Hero's Image (300)- 25 yo white male, TAG

Preflop (3):
Hero is BB dealt 88,
EP limps, Hero raises to 10, V1 calls, V2 3bets to 30, blinds and limp fold, Hero calls, V1 shoves for 50 total, V2 calls, Hero calls .

Flop (151):
T97
Hero checks, V2 bets 30 into sidepot, Hero jams for 250, V2 folds.



Right on, gl with your journey.

Mini Challenge

Hours played- 3/50

August 2013

Total hours played- 153
Average hourly winrate- $1
Winnings- $170

2013 YTD

hours played- 1223
Average hourly winrate- $18
Winnings- $22624