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06-13-2013 , 11:59 PM
I am going to have to play a ton of hrs but I am determined to nail all my goals this month.

June 2013

Total hours played- 60.5
Average hourly winrate- $59
Winnings- $3566

2013 YTD

Total hours played- 797.5
Average hourly winrate- $17
Winnings- $13821
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06-14-2013 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by shinzo
which stakes are you playing? are the 1/2 games really "non-beatable" because of rake?
Of course 1/2 is beatable, just not for a super high rate. My average winrate at 1/2 is $11/hr. I've been playing mostly 2/5 the last few months.
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06-14-2013 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bubonicplay
There is just so much more money at two five. One two is just a stepping stone, it's still beatable for 15 an hour long term though. I'd like to see someone who's logged 1k hours with a 200 max beating it for $25. Not saying it's impossible, but it'd they are that good they might as well move up to 2/5.
Agreed
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06-14-2013 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
Of course 1/2 is beatable, just not for a super high rate. My average winrate at 1/2 is $11/hr. I've been playing mostly 2/5 the last few months.
thanks for the reply. If you don't mind sharing, what are your monthly living expenses? rent/food/bills/etc.
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06-14-2013 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by shinzo
thanks for the reply. If you don't mind sharing, what are your monthly living expenses? rent/food/bills/etc.
Somewhere around $1500
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06-14-2013 , 12:22 AM
do you need a car in vegas or is public transit good enough?

i was going to ask a different question but my mind just went blank...-____-
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06-14-2013 , 12:26 AM
ok i remember.

What was your biggest losing day and what was your biggest losing streak?

Have you had any losing weeks?

How about losing months?

What was the worst month you've had (whether it was a winning or a losing one?)
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06-14-2013 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by shinzo
ok i remember.

What was your biggest losing day and what was your biggest losing streak?

Have you had any losing weeks?

How about losing months?

What was the worst month you've had (whether it was a winning or a losing one?)
Public transit is good as long as you don't mind the heat. Vegas is car friendly too.

I've lost 1.5k in a session. Biggest downswing was -5k last summer. No big losing calender months, a few close to b/e.
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06-14-2013 , 12:53 AM
thanks for answering all my questions.

I may have more questions in the future and would love it if you could keep answering them. I am working on building a decent roll to move out to vegas. I thought 10k was going to be enough but after reading stories of winning players going on 2k downswings at 1/2 kinda make me reconsider what I actually needed for a bankroll if poker was going to be my only source of income.

I have roughly 9k right now saved up but I was thinking I need more of a 17-20k bankroll. So by the end of this year I should have that kind of money and will most likely be moving out unless something miracle happens where I, all of a sudden, I am content with my life. But that's not happening so..I should be in vegas in January 2014!
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06-14-2013 , 11:47 PM
Keep up the solid month bud. Love to see things swinging in the right direction. Pissed I missed you and Dane when you were rolling through Florida. I couldn't make it down to Miami but hope I get a chance to grab a drink later in the summer.
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06-14-2013 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
Agreed
+1 on this. 2/5 is an easier game to sustain a solid hourly in IF you have a decent grasp on basic poker concepts
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06-15-2013 , 11:35 PM
I put in a long session had a really sweet table too. I am going to log a bunch of long sessions this week. I have to send a bunch more hhs to get back on pace.

June 2013

Total hours played- 70
Average hourly winrate- $40
Winnings- $2787

2013 YTD

Total hours played- 807
Average hourly winrate- $16
Winnings- $1342
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06-16-2013 , 06:43 AM
Not totally caught up on this thread but are you in Vegas yet?
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06-16-2013 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by shinzo
thanks for answering all my questions.

I may have more questions in the future and would love it if you could keep answering them. I am working on building a decent roll to move out to vegas. I thought 10k was going to be enough but after reading stories of winning players going on 2k downswings at 1/2 kinda make me reconsider what I actually needed for a bankroll if poker was going to be my only source of income.

I have roughly 9k right now saved up but I was thinking I need more of a 17-20k bankroll. So by the end of this year I should have that kind of money and will most likely be moving out unless something miracle happens where I, all of a sudden, I am content with my life. But that's not happening so..I should be in vegas in January 2014!
20k should be plenty, if you decide to move out here hope it works out.
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06-16-2013 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by kalsokel
Keep up the solid month bud. Love to see things swinging in the right direction. Pissed I missed you and Dane when you were rolling through Florida. I couldn't make it down to Miami but hope I get a chance to grab a drink later in the summer.
Thanks man, catch you next time.
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06-16-2013 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Turntup74
Not totally caught up on this thread but are you in Vegas yet?
Yep I got to Vegas 3 weeks ago, planning on staying atleast until the end of wsop then reevaluating.
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06-16-2013 , 07:11 PM
I got in a good session no real big pots except for 1. I ran JJ into AA that cold called my pfr on AJT2T. I somehow saved 300 by just calling the river raise it was 400 to win 1100 gross spot but I think villain can raise JT and AT so I have to pay off quads and aces full.

It's half way through the month, 80/200 hrs and 15/100 hhs sent. So slacking hard and I need to step it up. Doing well with all the other goals working out every morning and eating some fruit, drinking enough water.

June 2013

Total hours played- 80
Average hourly winrate- $24
Winnings- $1888

2013 YTD

Total hours played- 817
Average hourly winrate- $15
Winnings- $12143
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06-16-2013 , 09:03 PM
Calling a river raise with jacks full there is likely bad and you should be shipping him all of your money.
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06-16-2013 , 09:11 PM
Easy ship for value when he raises our river bet, get him to sigh call with trips most the time.
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06-16-2013 , 09:40 PM
It was actually 400 to win 1500. I raise JJsc from mp, 4 calls. Flop- AJThdh I bet 65 into 100, v1 makes it 165, v2 calls, I call. Turn- 2c checks around. River- Td I bet 300 into 500. V1 announces raise and says 4 more. I saw v1 (30yo asain lady) table change twice and bought in full so I assume she is a reg and a competent player, never saw her raise light. I don't think she raises flop multiway without a straight, set, or 2p. When she checks the turn it is very unlikely she has a straight. I think I am beat slightly more than I am good so I don't think 3betting the river is worth it.
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06-16-2013 , 10:15 PM
Oops I can't count, there is 600 in the pot otr.
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06-16-2013 , 11:29 PM
Yeah so her most likely hands are KQ and AT and you should ship it in
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06-17-2013 , 09:47 PM
I booked another long session, catching back up to be on pace, almost halfway to 200.

June 2013

Total hours played- 90
Average hourly winrate- $25
Winnings- $2249

2013 YTD

Total hours played- 827
Average hourly winrate- $15
Winnings- $12504
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06-17-2013 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Yeah so her most likely hands are KQ and AT and you should ship it in
I don't think she checks turn or raises river with KQ, v2 probably had fd or a combo draw. No way she is putting in 700 on the river without a boat or quads. Very marginal spot. Vs a random rec player it is an easy jam.
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06-17-2013 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
It was actually 400 to win 1500. I raise JJsc from mp, 4 calls. Flop- AJThdh I bet 65 into 100, v1 makes it 165, v2 calls, I call. Turn- 2c checks around. River- Td I bet 300 into 500. V1 announces raise and says 4 more. I saw v1 (30yo asain lady) table change twice and bought in full so I assume she is a reg and a competent player, never saw her raise light. I don't think she raises flop multiway without a straight, set, or 2p. When she checks the turn it is very unlikely she has a straight. I think I am beat slightly more than I am good so I don't think 3betting the river is worth it.
With no 3-bet preflop, AA is heavily discounted. Most LLSNL players feel the uncontrollable need to 3-bet the shtt out of their AA for fear of getting their AA cracked.

On the flip side, they will over call with JT, KQ, KT, AT, QT.

I don't think KQ/KT/QT raises you on the river, so that leaves AT and JT.

We really should have gone broke here snap shoving over the top of her raise. Majority of the time, your JJ in this spot is the nuts AINEC.

Now, if we had JT, that sucks and we could actually fold that in this spot vs a competent reg since its basically the bottom full house. But with JJ we beat the most probable JT and AT full houses like red-headed step children and really are only worried about AA but since there was no 3-bet pre we should be severely discounting AA. And I would never let my worry of quads keep me from getting max value. So this is a ship on river AINEC.

another way to think about this spot is this:

If Villain would have just shipped all-in here would you have folded your full house? If the answer is no, then what you are doing is ensuring you lose the maximum in this spot but on the flip side you aren't getting the most value when you are on the other side of the cooler and have the winning hand. That's why its important to ship it in these spots as viewed by the longterm if that makes any sense...
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