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10-26-2012 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by blackcollar
$200 max at the oaks is softer than $100 max any day of the week. It's the same player pool making bigger mistakes with bigger money on the line.

Carl, i've seen you play on more than a few occasions. I'm not sure if you still apply the low variance low pay style, but i think based on your already developed image there you can get away with a lot more (robbery).
Who are you if you don't mind me asking?
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10-26-2012 , 06:47 PM
PA, just wanted to say I sub'd and have been reading this thread for several weeks...thoroughly enjoying it and finally caught up to the present this morning. I have a strange personal rule that when I get really interested in a thread like yours, I won't allow myself to comment until I catch up to the current posts LOL Anyway, it's been very enjoyable and I have learned a ton from reading your HH's. You have been much more of an "open book" with your knowledge than most other similar threads and I thank you for that. I especially am thankful for your insight on reading villains' tells; you were very consistent in giving out such knowledge. Keep your head up and good luck...you have a bunch of people pulling for your success.

--Lee
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10-27-2012 , 12:51 PM
One thing that is really wierd about the LC 1-1-2 game is that they don't use redbirds, it's the only place out of the many I have played in that doesn't use 5s. The only chips used are white singles and black $20 chips. It can make chip stacks a little harder to count but I'm getting used to it.

I only played 6 hrs this session, got there a little late. I think I played solid the whole time, got the money in as a favorite everytime. I found the games to be really good the last couple days. There is also the option to straddle from anywhere and at times there are players straddling just about every hand which is great. It kind of feels like the Oaks 2/4 game but only having to pay 4 dollars in blinds each round.

The buyin limits are between 40 and 200. I have been sticking to my 50bb buyin and auto top up/ table changing when hitting 100bb to legally rathole plan.

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Originally Posted by LeeCrab2
PA, just wanted to say I sub'd and have been reading this thread for several weeks...thoroughly enjoying it and finally caught up to the present this morning. I have a strange personal rule that when I get really interested in a thread like yours, I won't allow myself to comment until I catch up to the current posts LOL Anyway, it's been very enjoyable and I have learned a ton from reading your HH's. You have been much more of an "open book" with your knowledge than most other similar threads and I thank you for that. I especially am thankful for your insight on reading villains' tells; you were very consistent in giving out such knowledge. Keep your head up and good luck...you have a bunch of people pulling for your success.

--Lee
Thanks for reading, esspecially since this thread is the epitome of tl;dr. I really like giving out little tid bits I come across that can help when making decisions. Thanks for the support, cheers!

October

Total hours played- 82
Average hourly winrate- -$2
Winnings- -$167

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 1231
Average hourly winrate- $11
Winnings- $13751

Bankroll Challenge

$1200
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10-27-2012 , 05:26 PM
I'll introduce myself to you next time i see you. Also, my friend and i saw you at Aria (August) playing 1/3.
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10-28-2012 , 04:17 PM
I'm curious too - if you've been a reg in the oaks 200 Max, I'm sure we know each other. And if you're one of the handful of winning players in the game, we definitely know each other.
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10-28-2012 , 11:17 PM
I got in 8 hrs today, I think I'm going to have to play 6 days this week to hit 50 hrs. I played fine for the most part. One awkward spot I turned an idiot end straight and a 6 high fd in a 4 way pot. I was getting direct odds to draw to a flush but I was pretty sure someone already had a higher straight and my draw could be dominated so I folded. 2 villains had the higher straight and my rivered flush would have been good.

One thing I've been thinking about is that when a table gets shorthanded with nobody spewing the drop quickly becomes unbeatable. I am making sure to table select and sit in the best game I can. There was 7 1-1-2 tables running when I got there and 3 when I left. I also make sure that I have position on full stacks, I don't mind have a couple short stacks behind me but the less short stacks at the table the better.

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Originally Posted by blackcollar
I'll introduce myself to you next time i see you. Also, my friend and i saw you at Aria (August) playing 1/3.
Ok sounds good.

October

Total hours played- 90
Average hourly winrate- $1
Winnings- $71

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 1239
Average hourly winrate- $11
Winnings- $13989

Bankroll Challenge

$1420
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10-28-2012 , 11:43 PM
Long time lurker.
Just wanted to say thankyou for posting all your hands and thoughts. I wish you great luck and run good on rebuilding the bankroll.

I learned quite a few lessons just from reading your posts.

How much did you spend a month in Vegas with living expenses? (such as food and rent etc) Did you get around just with the bus service? Or a car? Any words of advice on those issues?

Thanks!
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10-28-2012 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruno876
Long time lurker.
Just wanted to say thankyou for posting all your hands and thoughts. I wish you great luck and run good on rebuilding the bankroll.

I learned quite a few lessons just from reading your posts.

How much did you spend a month in Vegas with living expenses? (such as food and rent etc) Did you get around just with the bus service? Or a car? Any words of advice on those issues?

Thanks!
Hey thanks, I'm in the middle of typing up a bunch of thoughts on my summer in Vegas which will include all that stuff. Hopefully I will have it done within a week of so.
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10-29-2012 , 12:21 AM
Too bad you don't live in Sacramento. I'd stake you to grind the low limit games here. You could probably beat up on the 2/5 at Thunder Valley pretty good and the 1/2 at Casino Royale is pretty decent now with the deep buy in structure.
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10-29-2012 , 01:43 AM
PA, pack your stuff its time to go to Sacramento.
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10-30-2012 , 03:09 AM
Read all 68 pages in a few hours. Sounded like u were a hit & run player before and played your A game for short periods. & mysteriously got tired after booking a moderate win. While stretching out to longer sessions, your game declined.

All the best bro, rooting for you
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10-30-2012 , 03:50 AM
I wouldn't diagnose PA's problems as being that he's a hit and run player or getting tired. When I played with him every day, he had incredible discipline. He'd fold for three hours, and just wait for big hands. That's serious discipline. But that's also maybe where the problem lies...
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10-30-2012 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by buckminster1
I wouldn't diagnose PA's problems as being that he's a hit and run player or getting tired. When I played with him every day, he had incredible discipline. He'd fold for three hours, and just wait for big hands. That's serious discipline. But that's also maybe where the problem lies...
yeah, i don't think that's the recipe for 100 percent of sessions. i like to mix it up between loose and tight depending on how i'm feeling at the table about the rest of the table. still make a lot of money with big hands, but raising connectors and gappers and hitting to stack top pair or overpairs is a big part of being able to win big at low stakes.
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10-30-2012 , 07:35 AM
raising gappers is a leak imo ainec. they are fun to play, thats about it. At higher stakes when you have FE in a hand and balancing is key then they are important to play.

At most 500nl and lower games they are a leak.

PA has awesome discipline. I love playing with him.
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10-30-2012 , 01:43 PM
I think I played decent today. It feels really good to book 4 winning days, seems like a long time since I pulled that off. I got the money in good every time. I made a couple marginal folds. I raised AQ to 14 over one limp, folds back to villain a 40 yo and he jams for 100. That was the first time I had seen him limp/jam so I let it go. I open 88 in a straddled pot for 14, sb shoves for 80. it’s a 50 yo who I haven’t played much with so I fold. He shows 77 probably close to the bottom of his range there so I'm ok with the fold.

I lost the biggest pot I played even though I got aipf for 50bb with KK vs. AK and QQ, by the river I am 3rd place but I guess it’s pretty much a cooler anyhow.

I wanted to play 10 hrs but 8 hrs into the session there was only 1 table left and I had a 150bb stack with a couple big stacks that had position on me so I decided to just take off.

As for the hit and run accusations I guess they are somewhat true since I like to jump tables often whenever I think I can find a better game or for bankroll reasons. I believe cash game poker is a single hand contract, I'm not obligated to stay any longer after a hand if I don’t want to no matter the outcome. I never give a **** when some beats me then leaves, there are many (many, many...) fish in the sea.

I have already admitted to playing a very nitty style and it should be apparent in my hh. Therefore, I rely mostly on showdown winnings. Over this b/e stretch I’ve been in I feel like I have run way below ev in all in situations and that can account partially for my poor results. But obviously playing long hrs and not winning is demoralizing and I wasn’t playing my A game very much. I do try to open up a little when I have 100bb+ and apply pressure. Most people still tend to call me down light, so I think having a range weighted towards value hands with some semi bluffs mixed in is good.

It was nice playing with you dhcg86, I’m sure we’ll be crushing LC together for the next month.

October

Total hours played- 98
Average hourly winrate- $3
Winnings- $296

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 1247
Average hourly winrate- $11
Winnings- $14214

Bankroll Challenge

$1650
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10-30-2012 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Too bad you don't live in Sacramento. I'd stake you to grind the low limit games here. You could probably beat up on the 2/5 at Thunder Valley pretty good and the 1/2 at Casino Royale is pretty decent now with the deep buy in structure.
I've never played any of the rooms in Sactown, I'll have to check the games out sometime.
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10-31-2012 , 06:46 PM
Hey Carl!

I haven't looked at 2+2 for awhile, but it was good to check in and see that you are back and grinding. Props to dhcg86 for helping you out. I've only im'd Dane a couple times but now I have an even higher opinion of him. Also he's gonna be great for some of the spots I was talking to you about for loosening up your game.

Anyway just wanted to say hi, and that your books are in good hands until your are ready for them.

-Dan
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10-31-2012 , 11:04 PM
Congrats on getting back on track!

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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
I have already admitted to playing a very nitty style and it should be apparent in my hh. Therefore, I rely mostly on showdown winnings. Over this b/e stretch I’ve been in I feel like I have run way below ev in all in situations and that can account partially for my poor results.
I think the advantage of not relying so hard on just playing tighter than the average bear is it lessens the effects of variance on us. If we're winning pots against bad players based on their hands and not ours, we don't have to be dependant on how we're running.

I totally understand not wanting to mess with your style while the br is still shaky and until you get back on your feet. Have you experimented much with other styles of play, or do you plan to when your br is healthy again? I think experimenting is the only way we really grow. I've certainly played around with styles much tighter and looser than the one I currently default to, though I'm not saying what I do now is by any means "the best.
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11-01-2012 , 01:57 AM
you guys bust this mans balls wayyyy too much

do you people understand that you can be playing well and still lose alot?
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11-01-2012 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by dhcg86
you guys bust this mans balls wayyyy too much

do you people understand that you can be playing well and still lose alot?
Cheers to that!

I'm sure we have all had days where we get the money in good against a bunch of droolers but still manage to lose.
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11-01-2012 , 12:33 PM
Where did you stay at in vegas during your entire trip? How long did you stay there for?
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11-01-2012 , 05:20 PM
This month has been a transition for me. I left Vegas and took a week off, my mind is reset and I'm ready to focus on playing solid poker and rebuilding my roll.

I talked to dgiharris about coaching, I'm going to try it out and see how things go.

October Graph



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Originally Posted by Dan_The_Amateur
Hey Carl!

I haven't looked at 2+2 for awhile, but it was good to check in and see that you are back and grinding. Props to dhcg86 for helping you out. I've only im'd Dane a couple times but now I have an even higher opinion of him. Also he's gonna be great for some of the spots I was talking to you about for loosening up your game.

Anyway just wanted to say hi, and that your books are in good hands until your are ready for them.

-Dan
I really appreciate you holding on to those books for me, hope the grind is going well for you in LV. dhcg86 is definitely a cool guy and solid player, it will be nice to have someone to talk strat with.

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Originally Posted by buckminster1
Congrats on getting back on track!

I think the advantage of not relying so hard on just playing tighter than the average bear is it lessens the effects of variance on us. If we're winning pots against bad players based on their hands and not ours, we don't have to be dependant on how we're running.

I totally understand not wanting to mess with your style while the br is still shaky and until you get back on your feet. Have you experimented much with other styles of play, or do you plan to when your br is healthy again? I think experimenting is the only way we really grow. I've certainly played around with styles much tighter and looser than the one I currently default to, though I'm not saying what I do now is by any means "the best.
Hey thanks. fwiw I think some of the times we played at the same table I noticed coincidentally I was really card dead so you may have the impression that I am even tighter than I really am. In Vegas I did open up a little and put pressure on postflop more than usual. I guess one way of running bad is people actually making hands in spots where barreling would be profitable in the long run.

I take all your advice to heart, I know some experimenting and retooling my game is necessary to keep improving and moving up.

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Originally Posted by dhcg86
you guys bust this mans balls wayyyy too much

do you people understand that you can be playing well and still lose alot?
haha I don't mind it, thanks for having my back though. It's true that it's possible to lose a ton while playing well, I just have monitor my play and make sure I'm not doing dumb **** and leaking chips.

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Originally Posted by Coach McGuirk
Cheers to that!

I'm sure we have all had days where we get the money in good against a bunch of droolers but still manage to lose.
We all know the feeling I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by JustinCred
Where did you stay at in vegas during your entire trip? How long did you stay there for?
Apartments between UNLV and the Strip for 4.5 months.

October

Total hours played- 107
Average hourly winrate- $5
Winnings- $586

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 1256
Average hourly winrate- $12
Winnings- $14504

Bankroll Challenge

$1800
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11-01-2012 , 06:54 PM
Dgiharris seems very knowledgeable, should help your game.
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11-02-2012 , 03:23 AM
Live coaching for 1 1 2 seems like a leak considering how much info you can get thats probably better and cheaper.

Dozens of trainin sites, skype groups, bart hansons podcasts, the dozens of good hh reviews. Etc
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11-02-2012 , 10:19 AM
I was visiting my parents in the eastbay and taking the public transit to LC but that was a long trip. So I'm really glad dhcg86 is letting me crash at his pad for awhile so I don't have to waste so much time traveling.

Time to crush Nov!

November

Total hours played- 7.5
Average hourly winrate- -$13
Winnings- -$95

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 1263.5
Average hourly winrate- $11
Winnings- $14409

Bankroll Challenge

$1705
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