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11-17-2016 , 11:42 AM
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Hey all, hard to believe it's been over a month since posting in here! I've kind of fallen off track with a lot of my goals and haven't been diligently measuring my time as earlier in the year but I will get back on top of it shortly. I do have all my poker hours tracked but the data is sitting in a couple different devices and I need to tally it up. I'll post all those stats at the bottom of my next post.

I do have a lot of vlog footage that needs to be edited. So look forward to vids from Ozzfest, The High Roller, First Friday and I will resume poker room reviews.

Poker volume has been pretty low, but been focusing a lot on my art.

I went to Ozzfest and see Black Sabbath, I figured it might be my last chance. They were awesome!

Shout out to all the veterans out there, not just USA vets but any warrior throughout history who had their life truncated by war.

I was thinking back to my time in the Army, enlisted when I was 18. I remember some fun trips I took with my unit at Ft Bragg. One trip was to Myrtle Beach, went to this fun Nascar themed place with different go cart courses. Another time we went to Wilmington Beach and had a bonfire and slept on the beach. Another time we went to Charlotte to the whitewater rafting facility where the Olympic team trains and tried out rafting for the first time.

I thought you guys would get a kick out of this vid, me with a shaved head circa 2008 lmao. We stopped by GC in Charlotte before heading back to base-



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Originally Posted by LucidDream
FWIW I haven't followed this thread closely or read all of it over the years. Just popped in from time to time mostly to check out the art and see how things are going overall.

You're obv a very talented person in several fields and I think having balance in live is super important overall but I think having periods of your life where you buckle down and focus anywhere from like 80-95% of your waking efforts on 1 specific area is very beneficial in the long run.

This is gonna be a bit of a tough love post bc it seems like you may need it, I know I needed a lot of pushes from friends along the way myself for awhile. Granted I don't know you so some of this may be off base, feel free to ignore anything that is.

It seems to me you moved out to Vegas around 5 years ago with the intention of playing 160hr/month of 1/2 and building up a BR and 5 years later you're still playing 1/2 and 1/3. You're only about 45% of the way to your hours goal for the year yet the year is almost 75% over. Maybe you don't enjoy poker anywhere near as much as you enjoy making music and art and that's perfectly fine if that's the case. Perhaps you should pursue those full time over poker if that's the case.

If not though and you intend to go forward as a poker pro who makes art and music on the side...I'd light a fire under my own ass quick and turn **** up pretty quickly. You haven't moved up in stakes in 5 years and poker is getting harder and harder everyday. You need to be frontloading your hours that you play early to build a BR and when you're settled in somewhere that you feel your hourly is maxed out, now you can play less hours bc you've maximized your potential and become the most productive you can be with your time.

Take this from someone that has had many sub 1000 hour years and moved to LA to play 5/10+ after Black Friday. I was lazy, didn't handle adversity well for awhile and bounced between 20/40nl and 5/5nl with most of my hours at 5/10. I couldn't ever seem to make things stick at 10/20 and when I would hit a bad stretch I would play less hours and distract myself with other things. In actuality if you're planning to play professionally this is where you have to turn it up prove to yourself what you're actually made of if you want to move up in stakes. The reason you can't make 2/5 stick is most likely bc you're giving up too quickly. 600 hours on the year for someone that plays 1/2 and 1/3 as their main game is pretty pitiful tbh if you think of yourself as a pro. You only build confidence and improve in life by living up to your potential in the areas you're focusing your time and energy. And all areas of your life affect one another so by living up to your potential in poker, you increase your confidence and that will expand out to your ability to make music and art as well as your social life....tho it's true that those areas will have to fall behind for awhile for that to happen. Ultimately though, true happiness comes from your ability to live up to your potential as a man and accomplish what you set out to accomplish in life. And in your pursuit of doing that with all the trials and tribulations along the way, your sense of happiness comes from realizing you're on your way to doing that no matter what results have shown up in the past. I think it's really hard as a man to be happy in life if you aren't as successful as you know you're capable of being in your career.

I don't mean any of that to be harsh necessarily but more of a wake up call. Poker doesn't get easier any day and not getting hours in now means you will have to play more in tougher games later on. I've watched so many pros get downsized from 10/20nl to 5/5 and 5/10. It's not as easy to earn promotions in poker as it was years ago, don't waste it, frontload hours and get to the highest stakes your capable of beating for the highest hourly. For a lot of guys that won't be higher than 5/10 and that's OK, what's not OK is if you're capable of that and just keep playing 1/2 and from seeing you're art and hearing your music I'm sure you're more than capable of beating 2/5 and game selecting 5/10.

Good luck
I know I promised a more detailed response to this post earlier, so here it goes.

I've been thinking about my career trajectory a lot and my desire to play poker has significantly diminished over the last year or two. I feel like my game has regressed and I get bored very easily. The more I try to force myself to play more hours the less I enjoy it and the worse I play. I don't think I will be able to excel and reach the highest stakes without the burning desire I used to have for poker. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it might be analogous to a failing marriage (granted I've never been married) It just feels like I am too dependent on poker and I think I should go back to only playing when I feel like it and can focus adequately. Then I will invest the excess time into other worthwhile opportunities that I am passionate about and can gain fulfillment from. I've been avoiding blogging about it because I wasn't sure anyone on 2+2 would relate as I assume most people browsing a poker fourm love poker. I don't want to come off as overly negative.

I think I have learned some value skills during the past 5 years. I may not be a very talented poker player but I believe I am a decent blogger and that creating content is very transferable skill. I look up to guys like Casey Neistat, Gary Vee, Tai Lopez, Grant Cardone and it is apparent that the ability to create an put out a massive amount of content can be exponentially rewarding.

I want to focus on putting out content around my current interests such as art, music, running, personal development, and travel. If I can work towards mastering that I believe I will be much more successful than if I focus mainly on playing poker.

One thing specifically I've want to do is start a youtube channel dedicated to art. I can film some interviews with local artists and talk about their creative process and work similar to the poker player interviews I've done.

Maybe my excitement for poker will return at some point in the future but I don't think I should rely on it.

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First time posting on 2+2. Been reading your thread for a few weeks now from the beginning to now. First off let me say thanks, for the good reading material and for your honesty. You have had quite a journey the last few years and it was fun to read all about it.

Your like a brother from another mother. I obviously play and love poker, but I also play guitar and bass, listen to most of the same music, used to be artist. We share many similar interests. I like your covers and originals.

Only criticism I could give you(you take criticism well and seem to enjoy the different views) is that personally I liked the begging of your thread where you tracked your stats and posted. I do understand why you don't post them as often anymore but it did make it very fun to follow the swings.

I'm more of a tournament player but watching you play the cash games has got me thinking about playing more and reading 5 years of HH has helped me see where you came from and how you got to where you are at.

Anyhow thanks for all the posts, pictures, reviews, thoughts, art and life experiences. You live they way most people want to but never have the balls to do. You do what you want, when you want and how you want. You have created your own path and wish you nothing but success in your future endeavors. If I ever see you on the felt I am saying hi, and if I can getting you high.
Cheers, thanks for the kind words and the suggestion, I understand why that is more entertaining so I'll consider bringing it back.

Last edited by pure_aggression; 11-17-2016 at 12:05 PM.
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11-21-2016 , 10:34 AM
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........ my game has regressed and I get bored very easily. The more I try to force myself to play more hours the less I enjoy it and the worse I play. ........I wasn't sure anyone on 2+2 would relate as I assume most people browsing a poker fourm love poker. I don't want to come off as overly negative.
Well, at least one other person feels this way. This is why I could never be a pro. The more I played, the less I enjoyed it, the excitement wained and something I once loved turned into something I was beginning to hate. Combine this with the isolation (even live but moreso online) , the vampire hours and lack of feeling any accomplishment and I knew I could never be a pro.

No knock on those that are pros, I marvel at their ability to focus and grind for such long periods of time, not to mention the myriad of other skills required to be successful at the game, especially these days when the game has never been more difficult (imo).

Your art is really great, I suspect whatever you do, you'll be successful given the work ethic and discipline you've demonstrated here.

Best of luck with all your endeavors.
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11-21-2016 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
Well, at least one other person feels this way. This is why I could never be a pro. The more I played, the less I enjoyed it, the excitement wained and something I once loved turned into something I was beginning to hate. Combine this with the isolation (even live but moreso online) , the vampire hours and lack of feeling any accomplishment and I knew I could never be a pro.

No knock on those that are pros, I marvel at their ability to focus and grind for such long periods of time, not to mention the myriad of other skills required to be successful at the game, especially these days when the game has never been more difficult (imo).

Your art is really great, I suspect whatever you do, you'll be successful given the work ethic and discipline you've demonstrated here.

Best of luck with all your endeavors.
x2

Pure you ain't alone bud, I had a huge passion for the game and it died when I went pro.

Follow you art and put everything you can into sharing it imo.
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11-21-2016 , 04:27 PM
Isn't there a danger his love of art/music risks the same fate as poker if it becomes more than an outlet/hobby?

Like everything, balance is probably key. Perhaps a part time gig working in a music/art store, offset with some poker hours, etc.; not too much of each so no risk of killing the passion for any?

Gjustspittballin';goodluck!G
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11-22-2016 , 10:10 AM
Keep doing what you're doing imo, That guy sounds like a tool. I say play however long you need to play in order to pay your bills, and spend all your other time improving yourself so you can break into your next career or chapter in your life. If you don't see a future or want to see yourself being a pro in 5 years or whatever then work your ass off into making it a reality.
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11-24-2016 , 08:03 PM
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Happy Thanksgiving all! I'm super thankful for all the friends I've met off 2+2.

It looks like we have our first pro sports team, the "Vegas Golden Knights". I was rooting for them to be named the "Vegas Hookers" haha.

I did some dogsitting for my roommate earlier this month which was kind of interesting. I've never had a pet, besides my family having a couple cats.

I am thinking I would like to try a "Casey Neistat Challenge" and upload a video everyday for the month of December. For those of you who haven't heard of Casey he is a popular YouTuber who uploaded a video about his life everyday for over 500 days straight with each one getting over a million views. His style and chops are super sick, time lapses, drone footage, mobbing around Manhattan on an electric longboard. I think it could be a fun project though my style and subject matter would be different.

I wanted to offer you all a limited time exclusive offer on my paintings as a thank you for reading my blog. You can get 20% off all my art with coupon code "HOLIDAYS" that is good through the end of 2016. But as a special Black Friday deal I wanted to, for the first time ever, do a buy one get one free for any painting of the equivalent size! The BOGO will only run until the end of November, so take advantage and don't miss out!

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Originally Posted by yimyammer
Well, at least one other person feels this way. This is why I could never be a pro. The more I played, the less I enjoyed it, the excitement wained and something I once loved turned into something I was beginning to hate. Combine this with the isolation (even live but moreso online) , the vampire hours and lack of feeling any accomplishment and I knew I could never be a pro.

No knock on those that are pros, I marvel at their ability to focus and grind for such long periods of time, not to mention the myriad of other skills required to be successful at the game, especially these days when the game has never been more difficult (imo).

Your art is really great, I suspect whatever you do, you'll be successful given the work ethic and discipline you've demonstrated here.

Best of luck with all your endeavors.
Thanks man, good to know I'm not the only one.

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Originally Posted by Avaritia
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Pure you ain't alone bud, I had a huge passion for the game and it died when I went pro.

Follow you art and put everything you can into sharing it imo.
Thanks! I will definitely be doubling my effort on my artwork.

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Isn't there a danger his love of art/music risks the same fate as poker if it becomes more than an outlet/hobby?

Like everything, balance is probably key. Perhaps a part time gig working in a music/art store, offset with some poker hours, etc.; not too much of each so no risk of killing the passion for any?

Gjustspittballin';goodluck!G
Good point, that is certainly a possibility. As of right now I feel energized when I am painting or playing guitar. Lately I feel like poker drains my energy.

I still will play some poker it really is just a matter of finding the right balance. I am fortunate that I can pivot back and forth based on what I feel like doing.

2016 GOALS

[775] 1400 hrs poker
[355] 360 hrs art
[210] 360 hrs dating and social life
[175] 180 hrs music
[38.5] 180 hrs volunteering/organizing
[110] 180 hrs reading
[200] 180 hrs to do list
[99] 360 meditation sessions
[140] 360 fitness sessions
[4] Travel to 6 new places + Europe

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11-26-2016 , 09:20 AM
I think one important thing to note, and the poker community conveniently loves to leave this out, is that you will get burnt out at whatever you do. You work at a big corporation for a living? You'll get burnt out. You play poker for a living? You will get burnt out. You're an artist or a writer? You will get burnt out.

When you get burnt out it's always good to remind yourself what is it that you like about what you're burnt out on. For those with a corporate job, it's the good, stable paycheck along with all of those fringe benefits. For a poker player, maybe it's freedom and the ability to run your own business. For an artist, it could be creating something completely new that noone has thought of before. When you focus on the positive aspects, you become less likely to feel burnt out.
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11-28-2016 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Todd5
Keep doing what you're doing imo, That guy sounds like a tool. I say play however long you need to play in order to pay your bills, and spend all your other time improving yourself so you can break into your next career or chapter in your life. If you don't see a future or want to see yourself being a pro in 5 years or whatever then work your ass off into making it a reality.
You're right, it is super important to work on building a transferable skillset so that when you feel it's time to move on from a particular gig you have many options available to you.

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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
I think one important thing to note, and the poker community conveniently loves to leave this out, is that you will get burnt out at whatever you do. You work at a big corporation for a living? You'll get burnt out. You play poker for a living? You will get burnt out. You're an artist or a writer? You will get burnt out.

When you get burnt out it's always good to remind yourself what is it that you like about what you're burnt out on. For those with a corporate job, it's the good, stable paycheck along with all of those fringe benefits. For a poker player, maybe it's freedom and the ability to run your own business. For an artist, it could be creating something completely new that noone has thought of before. When you focus on the positive aspects, you become less likely to feel burnt out.
True passion for any occupation will naturally wane during certain periods. Like when breaking even or downswinging in poker. But you are very correct that I should remember to focus on all the perks and advantages that playing poker has offered me.

I think my last couple of posts have reflected a negative attitude and I need to change that.
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11-28-2016 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
I think one important thing to note, and the poker community conveniently loves to leave this out, is that you will get burnt out at whatever you do. You work at a big corporation for a living? You'll get burnt out. You play poker for a living? You will get burnt out. You're an artist or a writer? You will get burnt out.
Nope. Not even close to true. I'd estimate fewer than 5% of people I've met over 25+ years have burnt out as you describe.

(not to say one shouldn't diversify though.)
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11-28-2016 , 10:59 PM
just curious what are the annual living expenses in vegas for a normal couple? like 30k pa?
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11-29-2016 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by zoltan
Nope. Not even close to true. I'd estimate fewer than 5% of people I've met over 25+ years have burnt out as you describe.

(not to say one shouldn't diversify though.)
In which of those fields?

The biggest problem in poker is the lack of fulfillment
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11-29-2016 , 06:09 PM
Playing poker for a living is extremely mentally and emotionally draining. The shelf-life for a Fortune 500 employee is way longer than that of a professional poker player. So many talented players have come and gone over the years and it's not because they all went busto.
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11-29-2016 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by max85
just curious what are the annual living expenses in vegas for a normal couple? like 30k pa?
This obv depends on lifestyle but overall its a cheap place to live if you aren't eating out all the time.

Electricity is cheap ~80-150/mo
Natural gas (seasonal) for heating is cheap 30-90/mo
Rent is ~1500 for a nice 3-4 bdroom house, ~1k for a decent 2 bedroom house.
Internet ~50/mo
TV ~ 40/mo

Bulk of your annual cost will be food and rent and rent is fairly cheap in vegas. Food is great in vegas and you can find pretty cheap good food outside the strip but of course it'll dent your wallet if you eat out all the time.
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11-30-2016 , 11:40 AM
There is still plenty of money to be made in poker and even back when the games were completely off the chain there was high turnover in poker.
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11-30-2016 , 01:56 PM
Hey man, just found your thread. Loving the art! I dig the abstract style and like to dabble in different mediums myself.

Very cool to see you have your goals so well defined. That is definitely something I need to work on.

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12-01-2016 , 07:02 PM
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I've decided to take on the "Casey Neistat Challenge" and upload a video to youtube daily. Should be fun, and will be a chance to improve my content creation skills.

I want to break out of the poker slump I've been in so I am 100% committing to playing 150 hrs of poker in December.

I had an interesting encounter with some overly zealous cops while I was playing my guitar on the bridge between Treasure Island and Fashion Show Mall last week. I've played on the bridges hundreds of times since moving to Vegas and usually the cops that walk by are totally cool with it. So when these officers told me I was breaking the law I first thanked them for their service to the community then respectfully asked for them to cite specific applicable laws online that I could read. He was telling me I should just take his word for it and I insisted he provide specific laws in writing which I was allegedly violating. So he wrote me a ticket and I looked up the Clark County code. I believe I have a pretty strong case for beating this ticket.

Street performing falls under my first amendment right (freedom of speech/expression). The bridge walkway is roughly 15-20ft wide and my guitar case laid parallel against the wall is only 2ft wide. I am not impeding foot traffic whatsoever. Also worth noting that the escalators/stairs at either end of the bridge restrict foot traffic much more than the 2ft I am occupying theoretically does, while performing my music.

So the moral of the story is just because a person is in law enforcement doesn't necessarily mean they know the laws.









Hand 25:

1/2 NL (9 handed)
V1 (250)- tight
V2 (200)- loose
Hero's Image (300)- tag

Preflop (3):
Hero is MP dealt 99
V1 limps EP, Hero raises to 10, V2 calls in LP, V1 calls.

Flop (30):
763
Checks to Hero who bets 20, V2 calls, V1 folds.

Turn (69):
J
Hero bets 25, V2 calls.

River (119):
Q
Hero checks, V2 bets 25, Hero calls.

Standard raise PF and vbet OTF. Turn is an overcard but we can still get value from draws. OTR I decide to c/c most reasonably sized bets and he bets tiny so we call given overwhelming pot odds offered.

Hand 24 Results
Spoiler:
V1 had KQ, V2 had KJ.


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Originally Posted by zoltan
Nope. Not even close to true. I'd estimate fewer than 5% of people I've met over 25+ years have burnt out as you describe.

(not to say one shouldn't diversify though.)
I guess that may be your perception given anecdotal evidence. Burnout can be defined in many ways so who knows. I've read one stat from the department of labor that a person will have had an average of 10 different jobs by age 42.

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Originally Posted by max85
just curious what are the annual living expenses in vegas for a normal couple? like 30k pa?
I would say ballpark 30-40k would be enough to live in relative comfort, the caveat being I've never had a live in GF so maybe I'm not the most qualified person to answer. What I do know is compared to CA it is significantly cheaper in regards to housing, gas, state income tax.

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Originally Posted by 11t
In which of those fields?

The biggest problem in poker is the lack of fulfillment
I think it's probably a personal thing, some people like Hellmuth likely get fulfillment form chasing bracelets and building a personal brand around poker. In my case I don't have any similar aspirations in regards to poker. I will be satisfied if I can grind out a decent hourly at 2/5 and 5/10 cash games but as for legacy… meh.

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Playing poker for a living is extremely mentally and emotionally draining. The shelf-life for a Fortune 500 employee is way longer than that of a professional poker player. So many talented players have come and gone over the years and it's not because they all went busto.
It is much higher stress and less secure compared to many other occupations.

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Originally Posted by Zefa
This obv depends on lifestyle but overall its a cheap place to live if you aren't eating out all the time.

Electricity is cheap ~80-150/mo
Natural gas (seasonal) for heating is cheap 30-90/mo
Rent is ~1500 for a nice 3-4 bdroom house, ~1k for a decent 2 bedroom house.
Internet ~50/mo
TV ~ 40/mo

Bulk of your annual cost will be food and rent and rent is fairly cheap in vegas. Food is great in vegas and you can find pretty cheap good food outside the strip but of course it'll dent your wallet if you eat out all the time.
Thanks for the reply, those number are correct afaik.

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Originally Posted by pokahguy
The biggest problem for poker players is the average tag grinder 65bbSD style doesn't have an EV of more than maybe 3-4bb per hour. It's not very sexy.

People always want to dismiss this simple truth. When professionals that were claiming to make 50-100 dollars per hour all of sudden stop posting, stop playing and have idk moved to alaska or have gotten a sub optimal dead 40k per year job.. it's telling.
I would bet there are certainly more small winners than big winners.

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
There is still plenty of money to be made in poker and even back when the games were completely off the chain there was high turnover in poker.
I do think the poker economy is kind of in a holding pattern the last few years. The biggest occurrence that could grow the poker economy is if online poker gets legalized in CA which is 30 million+ market.

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Originally Posted by hOoLiGaNNNNNNN
Hey man, just found your thread. Loving the art! I dig the abstract style and like to dabble in different mediums myself.

Very cool to see you have your goals so well defined. That is definitely something I need to work on.

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Thanks, that reminds me I should branch out and try some painting with oil and watercolors.

Yeah I think I got that advice on goals from Napoleon Hill and Jack Canfield.

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Originally Posted by pokahguy
We can agree do disagree.

Back then: Nobody, i mean nobody especially all unemployed students and bums were moving on to greener pastures by choice if they were actually making the 250k per year at 5/10 no limit as they were bragging about.


Present: I think it's crazy to believe that with the SD pros post that's it's possible to sustain the $50 or even $100 per hour winrate they all claim to be making.

Standard Deviation is the lifeblood. Having an 25bb/hr SD translate to the average $125 that a pro wagers per hour they get a $175 return. If it sounds too good to be true then it most likely is and it's proven by how many pros eventually drop out and do something else.
I believe anything above 100k at 2/5 and 5/10 is outstanding. And of course standard deviation is the backbone of the poker economy it allows both recreational and serious players to delude themselves. Esspecially live where it take so long to get any kind of relavent sample size.

Mini Challenge #33

[13.5] 50 hrs poker
[13] 10 hrs art
[3.5] 10 hrs dating and social life
[8.5] 5 hrs music
[.5] 5 hrs volunteering/organizing
[2] 5 hrs reading
[7.5] 5 hrs to do list
[4] 10 meditation sessions
[8] 10 fitness sessions

2016 GOALS

[788.5] 1400 hrs poker
[368] 360 hrs art
[213.5] 360 hrs dating and social life
[183.5] 180 hrs music
[39] 180 hrs volunteering/organizing
[112] 180 hrs reading
[207.5] 180 hrs to do list
[103] 360 meditation sessions
[148] 360 fitness sessions
[4] Travel to 6 new places + Europe

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12-02-2016 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pokahguy
What I mean by Standard Deviation being the lifeblood is that it can't be ****ed with/ is the most important stat in measuring the sustainability of someones winrate. Recs and serious players usually just go by amount won/lost divided by hours played.

Generally speaking, the lower the SD the lower the win rate as more and more hours are played. Looking at range vs range edges in nlhe, it's statistically impossible to maintain super high edges/hourly over meaningful samples with a very low SD.

For example, grinders with the abc super solid tag game and low SD are probably capped around 3-4bb/hr. The only way to get the super sexy 10/bb win rate is by churning more money by adding in smaller edge spots which gives significantly larger SD numbers.

It's sort of like the BMI/FFMI index for bodybuilding and knowing whether someone is using steriods or not. It's the ultimate truth detector.
I hear this a lot, not sure if I agree. There are plenty of people that have a high standard deviation and are losers, so they are not necessarily correlated. The best way to play is to adjust to players at the table, knowing when to switch gears between TAG, LAG, TP.
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12-02-2016 , 03:50 PM
Was always curious what hourly rate one could earn playing a guitar in those spots?

Years ago I played 2/4 Limit with a guy who I think in his lol misguidance was attempting to play it for a living (I mean, lolzzzzzz). Anyhoo, years after he left the poker scene I ran into him outside a local shopping mall playing his guitar. He seemed *so* much more happy / at peace with life. Was super curious as to what type of money he could typically pull down doing this, but I didn't ask.

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12-02-2016 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Was always curious what hourly rate one could earn playing a guitar in those spots?

Years ago I played 2/4 Limit with a guy who I think in his lol misguidance was attempting to play it for a living (I mean, lolzzzzzz). Anyhoo, years after he left the poker scene I ran into him outside a local shopping mall playing his guitar. He seemed *so* much more happy / at peace with life. Was super curious as to what type of money he could typically pull down doing this, but I didn't ask.

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I think my average is like 17/hr, usually ranging between 10 to 25. So not a big difference from my 1/2 NL win rate.

Playing music and painting are more right brain activities so it's a good contrast from the logical analytical left brain grind of poker.
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12-03-2016 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by pokahguy
Sure. Lots of fish have high standard deviations. All standard deviation means is how much the stack changes over a certain period. So yeah, they get lots of money in, but they get it in bad. Very good players get lots of money in with an edge big or small.

Way back when games were amazing where you could get payed off 100% of teh time when you flopped a set or got aces or tptk 3 streets, the SD in those times playing tight was still very high. Those games are more or less gone/ much less consistent. So while continuing to play tight is right poker, your SD is significantly lower compared to the golden years and subsequently you have a lower WR. You just don't have tons and tons of players who go broke with tpnk, or spazz out for 300bbs, make crazy bluffs or super light calls etc like you did way back, which severely cuts into a tight grinders winrate

Let me put it another way. Professional sports bettors (lol is there such a thing?) say the average return on all their thousands upon thousands of bets per year has a compound return of something like 3%. Now, can someone find idk 20-30 amazing value bets during the year and pound it for the max? Sure. But they certainly can't make a living/ good money off of only 20-30 amazing value spots.

The same applies to poker. A grinder can sit around and play very sound tight is right poker and EV idk pushing 5bb for 1/2, 4bb 2/5, 3bb 5/10. But in order to get the high win rates over long periods of time you cant sit around and only wait for the insane value spots like a grinder could have during the golden years, it's just statistically impossible. Sure, there are players out there that have run insanely hot over the course of their poker career, but it's a fact the longer they play, the more likely it is for variance to even out.
So I think what you are trying to say is that it's not optimal to be a complete nit
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12-03-2016 , 01:07 PM
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12-04-2016 , 04:00 PM
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12-05-2016 , 06:57 AM
I would keep doing what your doing. I dont think there are any superficial hourly expectations you need to uphold. I think you should be happy with your success. The only way your going to play more and make more money is if you get more passionate about poker.
If you got hungry for money, thats a good motivation. But you are successfull. Be proud of that, if you have other big poker goals you will know. If you have financial money goals you want to crush you will know.
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12-05-2016 , 03:50 PM
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