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02-27-2012 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by waxdabox
Is starting a thread about omg I am break even for 3 weeks slightly indulgent?
I'm be for a month now on unfiltered games pre rb. never said it was special, this thread is to track my results properly/stay motivated/get feedback and fun purposes.

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Originally Posted by Saloc
Following your thread! Awesome read already =)

I used to play the 18man 15$ when they where less reg infested ... without table selection they are hard to beat imo (or maybe I should stop masstabling them).
Ty, i will try to make it even more awesome!

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Originally Posted by Smitte
gl kwatjee
ty sir

be posting a new update in a bit!
02-27-2012 , 07:24 PM
GL my friend. Sounds to me as if your possibly being alittle bit to results orientated. Imo ur 1 of the best SNG players out there and can beat the 18 mans with >5% ROI even with the current state of the game. But even with a 5% ROI ur going to have BE months, thats just variance. But knowing u alittle i know ur abit of a perfectionist and its easy to get down on urself with a consistent run of beats. Chin up mate u will be crushing again in no time, im sure of it.

subd
02-27-2012 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by wayneking7
GL my friend. Sounds to me as if your possibly being alittle bit to results orientated. Imo ur 1 of the best SNG players out there and can beat the 18 mans with >5% ROI even with the current state of the game. But even with a 5% ROI ur going to have BE months, thats just variance. But knowing u alittle i know ur abit of a perfectionist and its easy to get down on urself with a consistent run of beats. Chin up mate u will be crushing again in no time, im sure of it.

subd
Ahh Wayne you too cute! Bad enough making the mistake of choosing that name once though but compounding it by choosing it again here. Come on Wayne you are better than that!
02-29-2012 , 08:45 PM
#2 February

February was a terrible month for me. VPPwise and profit wise. I gained some better mindset to stand beats and bad runs though. I am confident that when I'm finally out of this mess (2k after rb, little under 5 pre) I can deal with the smaller 2-3k swings with much more ease.

I haven't played much after my last update because of school but when I played I did manage to play a very good game. Won about 800 bucks pre rakeback in 250 games, nothing special, but there were definitely signs of a upswing coming along with good play and selection. Hopefully the next 100k vpp are as good as the first 100.

I am currently at 200k vpp something and am looking to get 250 after march. Combining it with school and a social life is harder then i thought it was so I'm happy that I am still on good pace because of the big January I put in. I'm not sure if i can repeat that in april but that should atleast be 100k. Planning, thats all there is to it to combine it succesfully!

February:

Last edited by Mecastyles; 02-29-2012 at 08:52 PM.
02-29-2012 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by wayneking7
GL my friend. Sounds to me as if your possibly being alittle bit to results orientated. Imo ur 1 of the best SNG players out there and can beat the 18 mans with >5% ROI even with the current state of the game. But even with a 5% ROI ur going to have BE months, thats just variance. But knowing u alittle i know ur abit of a perfectionist and its easy to get down on urself with a consistent run of beats. Chin up mate u will be crushing again in no time, im sure of it.

subd
ty man, we should talk again on skype soon
02-29-2012 , 09:19 PM
Auch. Sick month. Could be worse though
Not sure if I'll use it but made an avatar with (looking at three different atm):
ALWAYS
ALWAYS
ALWAYS
GIVE UP
-92_sauron
obv. black background and white text.

Keep crushing the games I'm not regged for.
02-29-2012 , 09:21 PM
How tough are the games with that fish pompeii on vacation?
02-29-2012 , 11:59 PM
He is back, in full force, winning money
Spoiler:
to lose to me
03-01-2012 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecastyles
He is back, in full force, winning money
Spoiler:
to lose to me
You gonna have to move back up to get it, nit

But seriously GL in March, hope it goes a ton better for you
03-01-2012 , 04:39 AM
how do you calculate your ev in 18s?
03-01-2012 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Monty604
how do you calculate your ev in 18s?
I would be quite interested to know that also.

I asked holdem manager staff and they explained how it isn't possible to calculate ev in games with more than 1 table?

Good luck Mecastyles, run good just around the corner!
03-01-2012 , 10:07 AM
he can just guesstimate based on chip ev
03-01-2012 , 07:33 PM
dybboss is right. HM can not calculate ur $EV for games with more than 1 table. But ur cEV can still be calculated. so if ur cEV is more than ur actual chips accumulated then its a fair assumption that u are running good.
03-01-2012 , 09:47 PM
Yeah but 18mans have some really screwy bubble factors so Cev wont be as accurate as it would be for 9m or 6m. If you separated your 2 table and final tables out and gave your final table Cev some kind of mutliplier that might help. Doesnt PT4 have AIEV for mtsngs where it assuems Cev for 2 tables and then does ICM eq for the final table?

Stick to your own games jerk, 30s were regged up enough today without you. Played 4 then got scared and moved back down.
03-03-2012 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Monty604
how do you calculate your ev in 18s?
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Originally Posted by wayneking7
dybboss is right. HM can not calculate ur $EV for games with more than 1 table. But ur cEV can still be calculated. so if ur cEV is more than ur actual chips accumulated then its a fair assumption that u are running good.
Exactly. You can look at ur chips won and ev chips won. also you can look at ur bb/100 and evbb/100. It will give u some kind of feeling if u run good or not but it obviously doesn't tell you the entire picture.

***

Other then this, nothing new under the sun here. Hard to update this thread when its going pure shut, but here is goes,

I'm still losing money but pretty confident i play well. Here are my results pre-rakeback filtered for games.



My main concern for my results aren't highstakes, aren't 9man, not hyper turbos or mtts, but 18man. This is the game i specialized in and now even if i filter away 200+ I'm at 1% return on investment at 98 cents a game. With highstakes I'm only up 5.7k in 18mans this year over a 11k sample pre rakeback.

I really don't know what to say or do about it, other then i don't understand what is happening after a lot of reviewing and talks with other players. Maybe one my biggest niches was that I did not play a lot and in this way could pull a very good ROI. This may be true but I don't feel like playing very if any different then before. Maybe I overestimate my edge as a 10k sample is starting to get pretty significant, having 1% when your trueROI is 4 or 5 isn't that likely i think (maybe someone can chime in for this with variance calculations?)

You can only blame so much on variance. I've decided to not look at my results anymore for some time again and if I end up losing my 5.7k 18man unfiltered 18man profits I will at least seriously consider quitting this chase and probably will do just that.

If for some reason I can't win money longterm (looks like it so far) pre-rakeback it is not worth it for me to go for Supernova elite and I rather grind out and relax a 60-100k year at low stakes and have a more balanced life next to poker.

We'll see

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pretty emo post


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my new pokerstars avatar:


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hope that makes up for it
03-03-2012 , 01:40 PM
how can you guys change your avatar more than once?
i feel like i've seen several people doing so yet, but somehow i can't...

besides that gl man, you're one of my heroes
honestly
03-03-2012 , 01:47 PM
was following you're blog for a while (saw the link on pokernews). I look at it every now and then good luck! Always fun to follow these threads
03-03-2012 , 07:20 PM
I feel like with the crazy bbl factors 18mans have and how relatively small your edges are gonna be at the higher stakes games, even 12k games isnt really that many games. I think not looking at your results for a while will be really good. You obviously have the work ethic to stay one of the best and the grind ethic to make SNE. If its a strong goal you have dont let a little runbad get in your way.
03-03-2012 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecastyles

Maybe I overestimate my edge as a 10k sample is starting to get pretty significant, having 1% when your trueROI is 4 or 5 isn't that likely i think (maybe someone can chime in for this with variance calculations?)
If your true ROI is 4%, u have a 10% chance you will run @ 1% ROI over a 10k sample. 10% is pretty high imo, and its likely ur just in the middle of this so i wouldnt get too down on urself just yet.

Have a look at this thread and download the ROI simulator.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...s-software-41/
03-04-2012 , 03:11 PM
Why don't you play cashgames instead Mecastyles?
03-04-2012 , 03:34 PM
coz not everyone likes it ?
for me its boring, no changing stacks dynamics, no bubble factors, finding tables, changing tables, trolololo boooooooooring

Spoiler:
lol waitlists
03-04-2012 , 04:58 PM
Yes I agree it's boring, so for a tournament player, is Sngs recommended if you're just out after points?
03-04-2012 , 11:26 PM
interesting...

what roi do u think good regs can make at the midstakes 18s these days, quad?
03-05-2012 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by burloquexiv
Why don't you play cashgames instead Mecastyles?
It's much harder to beat with the same skills/ambition nowadays.
Cash games on stars drying up a little faster than sng.
You would either want to be achieving Supernova Elite at 6max
or playing Heads-Up, and if you become a good winner you'll
stop getting action at HU.
I read a statistic for the month of april that the average winrate of
any player who played over 100k hands of PLO400 was
-0.4BB/100.

Not saying this is the reason quad doesn't play, just that it would not
make sense for any player who started playing mtts or sngs from
about 2010 onwards to consider moving to cash games on stars.

Oh and GL Quad.
03-06-2012 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Urbankidd
was following you're blog for a while (saw the link on pokernews). I look at it every now and then good luck! Always fun to follow these threads
ty sir!

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Originally Posted by Driskill
how can you guys change your avatar more than once?
i feel like i've seen several people doing so yet, but somehow i can't...

besides that gl man, you're one of my heroes
honestly
email stars support and they enable it for you

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Originally Posted by Rusemandingo
I feel like with the crazy bbl factors 18mans have and how relatively small your edges are gonna be at the higher stakes games, even 12k games isnt really that many games. I think not looking at your results for a while will be really good. You obviously have the work ethic to stay one of the best and the grind ethic to make SNE. If its a strong goal you have dont let a little runbad get in your way.
I'm not sure, I never was longer BE then 2300 games before this, but i was playing a lower stake higher ROI game then so maybe you are right.

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Originally Posted by wayneking7
If your true ROI is 4%, u have a 10% chance you will run @ 1% ROI over a 10k sample. 10% is pretty high imo, and its likely ur just in the middle of this so i wouldnt get too down on urself just yet.

Have a look at this thread and download the ROI simulator.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...s-software-41/
thanks, will look into it.

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Originally Posted by burloquexiv
Why don't you play cashgames instead Mecastyles?
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Originally Posted by burloquexiv
Yes I agree it's boring, so for a tournament player, is Sngs recommended if you're just out after points?
if you specialize yourself in sngs its stupid to change. Bear in mind, if i quit SNE im not quitting sngs. I will just grind a 25 abi with more mtts instead.

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Originally Posted by jonkeponke
interesting...

what roi do u think good regs can make at the midstakes 18s these days, quad?
I'm not sure. there are hardly people making good roi's so far except for a select few. It will clear up a bit and winrates will get higher.

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Originally Posted by entim
It's much harder to beat with the same skills/ambition nowadays.
Cash games on stars drying up a little faster than sng.
You would either want to be achieving Supernova Elite at 6max
or playing Heads-Up, and if you become a good winner you'll
stop getting action at HU.
I read a statistic for the month of april that the average winrate of
any player who played over 100k hands of PLO400 was
-0.4BB/100.

Not saying this is the reason quad doesn't play, just that it would not
make sense for any player who started playing mtts or sngs from
about 2010 onwards to consider moving to cash games on stars.

Oh and GL Quad.
i would probably be -4BB/100


Other news, I'm studying hardcore! Took two days off to get some things done at university and play poker. Made 9k vpps and 2500$. Nice change for sure, this gets me out of the hole after rakeback for the year. Good things to come!

      
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