Hey guys,

As mentioned in other threads, I'm wanting to start taking my online game quite seriously and am looking for the best way to turn a consistent profit online... I'm not dependent on it for an income, but figure being a profitable internet poker player would be a good hobby....

I'm crunching numbers and wondering if it's worthwhile playing solely for FPP or Rakeback? Just aiming to be a B/E player and profit from the perks?

I've played about 6hrs today without worrying about winning/losing and I'm actually finding I'm enjoying the game a lot more... not caring about the swings and my results have been slightly better than I think they would've otherwise been.

Is it worthwhile?

I'm thinking about grinding for Pokerstars Platinum.... then maybe have a shot at Supernova in 2011.

For Supernova, you only require:

4 tables of $1/$2NL for 40hours a week.

24,108VPP/mo .... x 3.5 = 54k FPP/mo? = 650k FPP/year

+ all the free tourneys.

Worthwhile? or step it up to like 10 tables of $2/4 for 60+hrs a week and go for Supernova Elite?

10 tables of $2/4NL for 47hours a week..... 100k VPP/mo = 350k FPP = 4.2mil? ... thats enough to get a Porsche...

hi gav,
im in a similar situation and would be depositing 600 on stars sometime later this year, achieving platinum and reaching 3/400k vpps next year. i would do this by playing 10-12tables of fast 6-max plo for around 2 hours a day. however, the new stars buy-in updates mean that there is very little traffic at the 40/50 - 100 bb tables, even if i mix in normal speed tables. the lack of upward development, which essentially means that i cannot ever invision achieving sne mean that i may switch to mtts.
i dont mean to hijack this thread, but are there any mtt grinders who would recommend taking that route? i have no experience in mtts and would have to spend this year learning and studying. just for a background, if i study for several hours a day, i can expect to play between 20 - 25k mtts (including 180-mans) which should be enough to reach supernova as i expect to reach the 12$ 180-mans by january. i expect to be in the top 100 in the tlb each month and having done the maths, my rakeback / tlb equity comes to $8000-$9000 for the 1.25 years.
thanks for reading

llabwol .... If you search "Supernova Elite" there's an official Supernova thread that basically answered all my questions.

I think I'll aim for 500FPP/day on Stars for the rest of 2010... That'll sneak me into Supernova despite the late start. I figured out its 4 tables of $1/2 NL for 2.5hrs a day.

End of year value = $7,000 in goods & cash + Tourney entries.

$1,000/mo = $33.33/day = $13ish/hr.

Naturally, this hourly could be easily increased by playing slightly higher stakes / more tables... 10 tables for 1hr = $33/hr .... though this would require more buy-ins (only $500 total though... $50/table)

you mean VPPs

1FPP = 1VPP = 3.5FPP?

Do you know when this FPP Bonus gets credited?

llabwol - From my (limited) experience, playing MTT's simply doesn't get you the VPP's quick enough... you have to play ridiculous volume to get anywhere and your variance is big also.

Are you already capable of breaking even at these stakes? Bear in mind it entails winning back the rake you pay from the other players

SNE at MTT means raking a little over $15k a month (for 12 months) or $500 a day every day. One $5000+$500 daily would do it

Sputum - You wanna roll me for $5k daily?

Obv the fact that you have to at least B/E for these games is more important, but if you can B/E then theres not a bad ROI for a part-timer

Actually I think it's double that... you only get 1FPP to every $2 you buy-in to a MTT yea? I was getting 5.5FPPs for $11+1

P.S - I am on the verge of MEGATILT ... just got busted in 2 of my $1/2's

KK vs AQ vs XX - All-In Preflop
X X X X.... A

J10 vs BB - No raise
J X X ... bet, raise, all-in, call
BB = AA


Earlier tonight:

AA - raise to $4.... collect blinds
99 - flop trips... check... bet $4 turn... table folds
KK - raise $6 ... collect blinds
44 - flop trips... check... bet $4 turn.. table folds

OH MY ****ING GOD

Button - QQ .... folds to me ... min raise ... steals blinds

lol ur playing nl200 and whining about this0,o

AA, KK, QQ, flopped 2 sets ... total profit - $9

KK.. all-in.... called by AQ ... total loss - $90

hell yea I'm whining about that

standard

[ x ] just cracked aces
[ x ] just smashed the AQ gimp with a rivered straight

Another 5 star thread from gav.....

How is that betting blind to repa flush draw (aka lighting money on fire) working for you at 1/2

Everday a new noob joins this site and says I am going to be SNE. There is a reason why everyone isn't SNE and only few are. If you had half a brain you would figure that out which is probably why I would put 50 to 1 against you making SNE.

gav - i wasnt referring to making sne through mtts - sorry about my poor english. i meant that maybe mtts (+ supernova/200k vpps) offer a better route than plo as stars' update means that there's little traffic above .5/1.
thanks.

+1
obv I'm a noon here but I agree with you 100%

and to OP I will at least give you this link http://fpppro.com/

No, you run too bad by the looks of it.

The b/e bit is a teeny bit more important yes. There's a hundred bucks an hour (i guessed) disappearing into the site from a 200NL table.


You get 5.5 VPP per dollar in rake (so if they were $5000 + $250 you'd have to play two a day for SNE)

Grow a pair...

if you whine about completely standard things that WILL happen to you many many times while you go for SN/E you do not have what it takes to make it

Yea ignore those posts from last night... some guy chipped up to like $600/$300/$300 on 3 $1/2 tables and was shoving with everything... smashed everyone, put me on tilt.

As I've mentioned 473 times already.... I'm a winning Casino player wanting to switch to Online. The online game is a lot different from the Casino game I play reg (i.e. easiest money you can imagine).

Well into a few hundred dollar pot, you're going to bet whether it hits or not aren't you....