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Grind 3 buy ins for live 2/3 0 dollar buy in game to ??? Grind 3 buy ins for live 2/3 0 dollar buy in game to ???

01-19-2012 , 03:15 AM
OK will start a thread since I didn't bust the bankroll yet which I came very close to doing twice now. Took 3 months off from poker after busting last bankroll. I am a slight winner overall over a small period of time. Have been studying and trying to improve my game in the time away... Up to 10 buy ins now ($1,000) playing the last two days. I plan on playing everyday until college starts Feb. 6th or until I go busto again. The 33 bb structure is a lil nuts but I feel it is definitely beatable by playing tight aggressive, abc poker with minimal bluffs.
I plan on updating this every day to track my progress and hopefully get some advice on hands etc.
Day 1:
Bought in lost my first buy in on my first orbit. oops. not a good start lol. Buy in again get aces 3 hands later in the bb. 1 limper CU raises to 13. I re pop to 40 leaving 55 behind. Flop A93 all diamonds. I tank for awhile and then shove the rest. He snap calls. turn J river J. He shows 99. Set over set on flop. Ouch but his fault for calling off half his stack with 99. So im back to even and slowly grind a decent profit playing tight and value betting the **** out of hands when I thought I was ahead. Overall I could tell I wasn't on my A game. Was a lil nervous to be honest playing live for the first time in months..
profit of:$165 in 4 hours played
Day 2:
Tonight. Ran good and played good. Turned a nut straight that also gave two other guys two pair. We all got it in on turn and I tripled up... flopped a set and lead out 3 handed. short stack shoved and villain last to act shoves all in to isolate (He has about 190 and I have him covered so this is sweet) (short stack has about 50) I turn the quads and river is a blank. SS show a gut shot straight flush draw and other villain shows KJs for top pair. lol if people are shoving 190 with top pair K kicker I will make a lot of money at this casino
P.S. Also I was one card away from being on the losing end of a BBJ with 24,000 in it.
Profit of:$590 in 5.25 hours played
Day 3 shall start tomorrow...

EDIT: Any advice tips or constructive criticism are welcome

Last edited by quadeuce2222; 01-19-2012 at 03:33 AM.
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01-19-2012 , 03:32 AM
I have a lot of experience in these types of games , your playing 2/3 blinds with a 100 dollar max buy in ? Would love to answer any questions you might have.
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01-19-2012 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by quadeuce2222
Bought in lost my first buy in on my first orbit. oops. not a good start lol. Buy in again get aces 3 hands later in the bb. 1 limper CU raises to 13. I re pop to 40 leaving 55 behind. Flop A93 all diamonds. I tank for awhile and then shove the rest. He snap calls. turn J river J. He shows 99. Set over set on flop. Ouch but his fault for calling off half his stack with 99. So im back to even and slowly grind a profit of:$165 in 4 hours played
If you had 1010 what would you have done on the flop ?
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01-19-2012 , 03:42 AM
edit * If you had 1010 would you have 3 bet pre and if so what would you have done on the flop ?
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01-19-2012 , 03:47 AM
Thanks man!
Yeah it's 2/3 blinds with a straight $100 buy in. No more or less.
I appreciate the offer. I will be posting every night. I will probably have a ton of questions.


With 1010 I would smooth call pre...No read on CU. Usually raising that much with only 1 limper means they have something. I don't want to put myself in tough spot out of position.
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01-19-2012 , 04:02 AM
I think in most circumstances its a pretty clear 3 bet with 33 bb , your opponents are calling WAY to light pre flop and folding on lots of flops and if they call you 1010 is still good most of the time.
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01-19-2012 , 04:06 AM
Take a little bit more time pre-flop in squeeze type situations you want the regs and everyone else to think that your looking to squeeze all the time.

ex utg makes it 10 4 calls your on the button with 72o instead of insta mucking make it look like your squeezing think about it and muck , that way the next time a situation like that comes up you squeeze aq and get looked up way lighter.
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01-19-2012 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by fresh$tart
I think in most circumstances its a pretty clear 3 bet with 33 bb , your opponents are calling WAY to light pre flop and folding on lots of flops and if they call you 1010 is still good most of the time.
You are probably right. It's probably marginal either way. He showed 99 so he's not betting weak as I suspected. I could see him easily doing that with AJ plus and 88-AA. So I'm coin flipping against most of his range and crushed by a lil bit of it. There's lots of bad flops for 1010 and I only have 10 buy ins so I'm trying not to stack off light. I'm probably scared money but I think I should avoid variance as much as possible until I build my roll. I may be wrong tho.
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Originally Posted by fresh$tart
Take a little bit more time pre-flop in squeeze type situations you want the regs and everyone else to think that your looking to squeeze all the time.

ex utg makes it 10 4 calls your on the button with 72o instead of insta mucking make it look like your squeezing think about it and muck , that way the next time a situation like that comes up you squeeze aq and get looked up way lighter.
Wow that's awesome advice! Thanks man! Never thought of that. That's brilliant! Since I'm not squeezing light generally unless I have a read I will be getting more calls this way and will be crushing their range. This should be very profitable. Thanks for the tip man
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01-19-2012 , 12:12 PM
33bb I just get 99+ AQ+ in pf, live fish gunna live fish.
Also im gunna guess the rake makes this really really hard to beat long term.
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01-19-2012 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Queen6Suited
Also im gunna guess the rake makes this really really hard to beat long term.
Thats what I'm worried about. Will find out soon enough though
Heading to the casino in about an hour. Will post results tonight.
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01-19-2012 , 11:27 PM
Day 3:
Was an idiot today. Got too greedy. Lost my first buy in with pocket aces 2nd orbit after sitting down. Bought back in with second and last buy in. Was down to 45 at one point. Grinded that up to 780 at my high point. Should of switched tables. But, the biggest fish of my life was to my right and had a huge stack by running like God. Calling huge flop bets with bottom pair and turning 2 pair etc. He had about 850 in front of him. Stayed at the table instead of protecting my profit to try to stack him. He stacked me in the end.
Profit for the day= -200
Bankroll is down to 800 now. Back to the grind tommorrow.
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01-19-2012 , 11:32 PM
hey buddy.

New rule leave after up 6 buy ins. PERIOD.

Also- flat calling TT with only a 33 BB stack is pretty silly.
I'd also up your stop loss from 2 to 2.5X buy in because you need to be able to top off your stacks, playing a 15 BB stack is crap
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01-20-2012 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerZombie
hey buddy.

New rule leave after up 6 buy ins. PERIOD.

Also- flat calling TT with only a 33 BB stack is pretty silly.
I'd also up your stop loss from 2 to 2.5X buy in because you need to be able to top off your stacks, playing a 15 BB stack is crap
Good point. Definite new rule I am implementing tomorrow.
On a side note: I Just lined up a date for tomorrow night. Pressure is on now, if I lose tomorrow and have to spend a buy in on the date, I will probably have to stop grinding until I get more money. Don't want to go completely broke. Have to win tomorrow Thanks for the advice man.
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01-20-2012 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by quadeuce2222
Good point. Definite new rule I am implementing tomorrow.
On a side note: I Just lined up a date for tomorrow night. Pressure is on now, if I lose tomorrow and have to spend a buy in on the date, I will probably have to stop grinding until I get more money. Don't want to go completely broke. Have to win tomorrow Thanks for the advice man.
Here's the hand I busted my remaining stack of 500 on. Tell me where I ****ed up.
Craziest table I have ever played on tonight because of the super aggressive fish who is in the big blind with about 700. He is playing 90 percent of his hands pre flop. And won't fold on the flop or turn if he hits any part of it. Have seen him call huge flop and turn bets with bottom pair only to river two pair. Running like God, that's how he got so many chips. Called an all in for 175 with two people all in before him with J5 suited and of course flops two pair and takes it down. Raise size doesn't matter. People are opening 25 because they know he will call. He has called every big raise pf. We are the two big stacks at this table. Because of this I am playing speculative hands in hopes of stacking him. I limp UTG with 34HH. MP, who is a tight asian player who is not very good, raises to 15. He has about 320 behind. Folds to BB fish who of course calls. I call. Asisan player in MP because of his opening to 15 has 1010-AA or AK/AQ. BB fish can have any two. And I mean any two.

$45 in pot
Dream flop for me: 2 5 Q hh. Fish checks, I check. MP bets 25. Fish calls. He could be calling with a weak 10, any 4, any 5, any flush draw, any straight draw like 36 etc. Or even two overs. His range is huge. I c/r to 75 in hopes of isolating fish and cramming the turn. MP tanks and is obviously debating folding. He finally calls and fish insta calls lol. I put MP on AQ or 1010-JJ, probably AQ.

$270 in pot
Turn: 5c ...Fairly good card for me. I think I can bluff MP off of his hand with a big turn bet and BB fish has so much air in his range I think I can take it down but even I can't I still have equity. BB checks. I lead out for 200 leaving about 200 behind. I think this will look stronger than a shove. MP tanks for ever and finally folds. Sweet plan worked out just as I had Planned right? Nope fish puts me all in. Now I have to hit the straight or flush card to win but I'm getting too good of pot odds not to call. I call

Roughly $1,070 in pot
River:9d...Fish flips over K5 off suit for the turned trips, calling 75 on flop with middle pair. Everyone at the table is looking at me expecting me to turn over a boat. I throw my hand into the muck and head for the door. GG. I know I ****ed this hand up bad. But, the sick thing is I got MP to fold a better hand. Any turn that is not K A or 5 and I take down the pot. And I still had equity when I got put all in on turn. But, I'm sure I could of played hand better

Thoughts?

Edit: I usually fold this hand pf and after the flop play it a bit more cautiously. But with the table dynamics and the big stack willing to get it all in with any hand made me deviate from my game plan. I was trying to set it up to get stacks in with BB if I hit. But with the seemingly blank turn card, I really thought I could steal the pot here. And still have decent equity if I get called.

Last edited by quadeuce2222; 01-20-2012 at 04:42 AM.
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01-20-2012 , 04:31 AM
fold pre

Also no reason to overbet the turn. (pot was 120 and you made it 200?) Although obviously you are not betfolding with such a huge draw.
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01-20-2012 , 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by yuri2085
fold pre

Also no reason to overbet the turn. (pot was 120 and you made it 200?) Although obviously you are not betfolding with such a huge draw.
250 in pot after flop. Sorry I will add pot sizes in original to make it easier to understand.
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01-20-2012 , 06:11 AM
You know the more I think about it the more I think it was a great play. I have seen this guy routinely fold rivers to a big bet. But never turns. And flops if he whiffs. I think he chases to two pair draws or trips on the turn every hand he hits the flop with lol and will a lot of the time call the turn. But, he has routinely folded to heavy pressure on rivers.
Here's why:
A)By check raising flop and c betting turn I was able to squeeze tight MP out of pot like I thought would happen. And even if he calls I still have a ton of equity
B)I'm crushing old man fish's range, first of all. Second of all, by betting 200 and leaving a little over 200 behind so if he does call the turn I can shove any river that doesn't hit him. He would not call 200 on river with pair of 5's with overs. He knows when is he beat, he just likes to chase. He just got lucky and hit a 5 on the turn. Such an inconspicuous card lol.
He most likely chases to river and folds if he doesn't improve. So, this easily could of been about how I made a Grand today.

I think maybe my bet sizing on turn was off. I think 150 would of done the trick and then maybe I can think about folding with 170 left behind. Maybe also smaller on the flop. 60 would of got me all the information I needed and then I could of bet turn even smaller and still got the same job done. Maybe lol.

Thoughts?
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01-20-2012 , 07:34 AM
Sorry when i went back over it I forgot the checkraise you did.
Really with all the reads you have no villain I think folding pre is best. But otherwise betting slightly smaller on turn makes sense (although doesn't really change anything if he is shoving anyway). This as you say gives you the option to shove basically any river against this player.
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01-20-2012 , 12:35 PM
I'd fold preflop. Even though we'll have position on the fish thru out the hand, we're in far too early position to play this hand (there are still 8 other players at the table we have to play against). Also, I don't think 43s can make a nut hand (I'm not 100% sure of that, but I think it's always possible for someone to have a better hand regardless of what we make), which is something to keep in mind when wanting to get 250 BBs into a pot. This hand will also be hard to play postflop for both chasing our draws (cuz if an EP leads a flush draw flop we won't know if we have the odds to chase due to those behind us possibly raising) as well as for getting paid off (getting paid off OOP is much more difficult than in position). Have to wait for our spots, this isn't it.

Even though the flop is big, we're only drawing to one nut hand (the straight). I don't think we have to plan on turning this hand into an aggressive bluff when there is a fish at the table who will pay us off if we hit. I don't hate the raise with our equity, but I think it's too much on the small side if we want to raise out MP (pot is already $95 when it gets to us, so if I'm raising I make a pot sized raise). But I also don't mind just passively waiting to hit our hand and then getting our money in.

Trying to bluff a calling station (even though this was a rather unlucky spot) is still a bad move. Calling stations call. That's what they do. So when we bet, simply have the goods and we'll get paid off. We have nothing on the turn, plus the board is paired (so we might drawing slimmer than we think), plus we're still in a 3way pot. I check/call a reasonable bet.

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01-23-2012 , 07:42 PM
flop there is no need to raise imo, fish is gunna call either way so just hit your hand then get his $$$.
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02-21-2012 , 02:21 PM
So I ended up losing all my profits back and quit before I went completely busto. Got student loan money 2 weeks ago and started grinding the 3/5 $200 buy in game at Commerce once I got that. I am currently on the sickest 4 day stretch of my poker career. 4 days in a row with cashing out over $1,000 in profit. Up over $5,000 since I started grinding the $200. So sick.

Never again will I play a 2/3 $100 dollar buy in game. With a $5 rake and being so short stacked I feel it is practically unbeatable.
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