Although I am normally not a big winner, when I am on a table with a 1% grinder I can really LAG up my game and crush.

"It's nice being in the jesus seat, you can win a lot of pots"

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wow you can win even when you dont have any cards... nice

Today I learned there are many pedophiles..

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so maybe PitaPita is safe

Next time, pretend like you're thinking about it for about 15-20 seconds in case the BB is going to call. Internally fist pump, then call. Never fold KK preflop in a 1/2 game for 150 bb. You have to be super deep AND have a sick read.

Without a read, I'd give the average live player there AA-JJ, AK, at least 10% bluffs with like suited connectors, and sometimes stuff that will make your head explode. You're going to see AA more often than you'd like, but a call here is +EV.

Plus, assuming he has you covered and for "some callers," saying 2... That's $45 + your $60 + BB $60 + UTG $60 = $225. It's $240 more, so you're getting almost 2 to 1.

Other than that, GL, subscribed.

I actually talked to a friend and asked him one question:

If he was going to WSOP Main Event $10,000 buy in (saved up for the whole year, and its his ONLY buy in), and he gets AA first hand but everyone shoves before it comes to him.. would he fold or shove?

"I would shove because I have the best hand"

I disagree mainly because even though he does have the best hand, he probably won't win.

Similar situation with Pita, if he calls and all of a sudden everyone else calls the shove, he probably won't win.

It doesn't matter, he's +EV. If your bankroll is so short that you are folding KK preflop, you shouldn't be in the game. It's also extremely unlikely that everyone else calls. If it does, it can even be good - you could have multiple calls from AQ type hands, which kills their outs.

lmao I'm not folding because I don't have the roll to play 200nl, I'm folding because the guy has AA there 99% of the time. When someone hasn't raised in hours they don't just limp and 4bet with a junk hand.

Always calling the AA in the WSOP spot, it's +EV and that's how you make money.

KK is +ev too but I guess if you have an exact read..

I guess we are different on the AA discussion, but I'm not about to throw a $10,000 buyin if 9 people go all in. Just my opinion.

Edit: Nice day! Seems like you're doing great this year.

+EV spot with a chance of busting is not the same thing as throwing away $10000

Yeah my month has been really good. I did it by not passing up on +EV spots

Not to start a big argument, but I've been playing 1/2 NL in casinos off and on for about 7 years, along with hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of hands online. That experience certainly pales in comparison to a lot of 2p2ers, but it is very easy to draw on that to say that it's nowhere near 99% AA. Plus, you're putting $240 into a $705 pot. You only need to win 34% of the time to break even on the call. If you give him AA 70% of the time, that is .7 * .18 = .126 equity.

The other 30% of the time you're going to be a favorite. Against AK suited you're 65%, and that's one of the worst non-AA/KK hands he has for you. That's .65 * .3 = .195. Now you're up to 32%. So even in what I would call a worst-case scenario, you're very close to a call. People will spaz sometimes and jam in there with like TT. This guy's range is weighted toward AA, yes, but KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AKs, AKo are all possible, along with total lunacy.

Also keep in mind that in 4 hours, you might see 100-120 hands in live poker. Not raising for 4 hours can just be the result of not getting hands for a very short-term period of time.

Never fold KK preflop in a 1/2 game for 150BB without extensive history. You will see stuff that AMAZES you sometimes. I saw a guy raise preflop, call a 3bet, call the flop, call the turn and snap call an all-in on the river yesterday with Qs9s on a J662J board with no flush draw.

First, don't pass up +EV spots. Second, if you win that hand, you only have to tread water to cash with an average stack since you've got 10x the starting stack and usually about 10% of players cash. Nobody ever talks about that angle of the situation.

I'm exaggerating a bit but in my short time of playing live (~5k hands) I'm certain that there are guys who will not ever raise without the nuts and from what I had seen from this guy I'd guess that there is a very large chance that he's one of them.

I definitely agree with you here but thinking about it more I can see why Eternal wants to fold. Maybe the experience of playing for an extra few hours is worth the EV that you sacrifice. For me I think I might actually take a small -EV line in some spots if it's higher variance because if I bust I get to do something else with my time.

There are guys like that, but keep in mind that preflop they may think of QQ+ and AK as the nuts. I'd need to see them play QQ, JJ, AK, etc to showdown in a way that demonstrated they wouldn't shove it preflop before I even considered folding KK preflop. I'd also point out that some of those types of players wouldn't even jam with AA, they'd want to see a safe flop first.

You could have very well called there and seen AA, but over the long run, calling with KK there is way +EV in my opinion, and I think in the opinion of the overwhelming majority of 2p2ers.

Hmmm I'll keep that in mind next time, maybe my read wasn't strong enough to warrant a fold.


PokerStars - $0.50 PL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 119.54 BB (VPIP: 13.00, PFR: 10.62, 3Bet Preflop: 5.27, Hands: 7,200)
SB: 126.6 BB (VPIP: 31.90, PFR: 13.29, 3Bet Preflop: 1.67, Hands: 1,183)
BB: 114.6 BB (VPIP: 15.69, PFR: 12.53, 3Bet Preflop: 4.86, Hands: 3,664)
Hero (UTG): 114.3 BB
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 10.61, PFR: 7.56, 3Bet Preflop: 3.34, Hands: 4,927)
MP: 136.74 BB (VPIP: 15.48, PFR: 11.64, 3Bet Preflop: 3.32, Hands: 10,278)
CO: 190.88 BB (VPIP: 16.08, PFR: 12.53, 3Bet Preflop: 5.35, Hands: 12,705)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, CO raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 21 BB, CO raises to 45 BB, Hero raises to 114.3 BB and is all-in, CO calls 69.3 BB

Flop: (230.1 BB, 2 players) J Q T

Turn: (230.1 BB, 2 players) 9

River: (230.1 BB, 2 players) A

Hero shows K K (Straight Flush, King High) (Pre 18%, Flop 21%, Turn 100%)
CO shows A A (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 82%, Flop 79%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 225.1 BB

U run too gud.

oh troooooo

standard coinflip AA vs KK.

I always want to puke when I have KK in that exact spot and get shoved on at 100nl because when I get shoved on I'm either chopping vs KK or losing vs AA vs 95% of the player population.

When that happens at 400nl-600nl I do a happy dance and wish I had a bigger stack

Rigged coin.

You just have to learn how to hit straight flushes and you'll be fine

Vs a reg I have never seen the 5min bet as AA

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And that's why pokerstars punished him for that

You need to play more then

lol


PokerStars - $4 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 95.28 BB (VPIP: 18.06, PFR: 14.19, 3Bet Preflop: 8.47, Hands: 155)
UTG: 132.47 BB (VPIP: 15.30, PFR: 12.07, 3Bet Preflop: 3.74, Hands: 2,557)
UTG+1: 139.83 BB (VPIP: 20.19, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 4.18, Hands: 2,728)
UTG+2: 77.46 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 1.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 73)
MP: 45.98 BB (VPIP: 18.11, PFR: 15.87, 3Bet Preflop: 8.49, Hands: 1,609)
MP+1: 114.22 BB (VPIP: 20.04, PFR: 15.01, 3Bet Preflop: 5.42, Hands: 1,403)
CO: 320.36 BB (VPIP: 17.76, PFR: 13.84, 3Bet Preflop: 5.73, Hands: 1,031)
BTN: 189.55 BB (VPIP: 26.19, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 42)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, UTG+2 calls 1 BB, MP raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 4 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 11 BB

Flop: (36 BB, 2 players) 6 T Q
Hero bets 22.5 BB, BTN raises to 45 BB, Hero calls 22.5 BB

Turn: (126 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN bets 125 BB, Hero calls 40 BB and is all-in

River: (206 BB, 2 players) J

Hero shows A Q (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 63%, Flop 77%, Turn 89%)
BTN shows 3 T (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 37%, Flop 23%, Turn 11%)
Hero wins 205.3 BB

lol mega typo!!

i have only seen the 5min bet as AA!!

gj on my phone!