I know someone that posts on 2+2, and plays FR on Ignition 200nl. He is the nittiest of nits. He makes money, and states, why should fix what is not broken? The problem is (as you have mentioned) is post flop play doesn't translate to any other format very well. Iso is huge at 6 max, especially against weaker players IP. Hard to do on Ignition fast fold (no history), so I put more emphasis on theory, and playing against population trends.

You might want to watch a few Carrot Corner twitch streams (though the better ones have gone bye bye), and throw in a little Zoom (I would mix in 5nl Zoom to your 10nl reg). Then, study those hand histories, where you can get a better look at population (many more hands) and Sim some losing/winning hands to see what went wrong, or if you could have made more.

Exactly. Quite interesting that, while 6-max top winrates are higher than the FR ones, the best FR uNL players are not doing as well at 6-max. Winning, but not as much. The highest winrate reg (that I talked about before) has a WWSF of 40 while playing 16/12, so very nitty IMHO. Mid/high WWSF is an exception, not the rule. A very bad reg that plays 11/6/2 and yet has a WWSF of 41 is winning at 10NL 4 bb/100 (not sure how that´s even possible bc fish is not abundant, but unless the tracking site is wrong, it´s there...)

I enjoy a lot of Carroters vids on RIO, not watching them just bc I´m prioritising the Elite content for the next few months.

Remember a vid from a new coach on RIO about studying other players games. Regarding those guys, wouldn´t necessarily learn good poker theory, but if ppl with probably a decent # of leaks are winning a lot, I´m doing lots of wrong things and would benefit seeing how they approach their games.

I´m guilty of having an ego, just as most ppl here, and saying that other players are worse than myself is very arrogant on my part (and I hope I stop doing it from now on ). But I have a humble side and would never dismiss the opportunity of seeing what they do, if that means winning more.

GL bro.

Just my 2 cents but learning 6max now gives you more options in the future. You can also crush FR even harder with that postflop edge be it online or live. Yes you probably won't make money for a while while learning but as poker players that's our tuition fee imo. I don't want to assume, but I guess you have goals of playing at stakes where FR is disappearing anyway.

@Grind4Kebab Yeah, was just thinking whether I´m really being rational with this FR vs 6-max thing. And my conclusion is that I´m not. Winrates of the top 6-max players at 10nl, 16nl and 25nl is considerably higher. With the table cap, it´s impossible to multitable FR anymore, + everything else I said before, like so few videos and learning content for FR. And back to the table #, since I can play more hands/hr at 6-max, I could make the same or higher $ with even a smaller wr. And playing 6-max might turn myself into a better player, who knows

Yep, def want to climb the stakes as high as I possibly can get.

Thank you, and GL to you too, your thread is always on my reading list.

highest winrates in 6max from winning regs are going to be deep shorthanded with fish

playing full ring can be nice to lower variance when shotting but is a dead game with dead positions

Didn´t pay much attention to the deepstacked factor, but obv makes a lot of sense.

As many said you need to play 6 max and start opening/3betting more. Even at nl10 ABC poker isn't working in 2021 unless you're not table selecting and playing with at least 1-2 fish at your table.

I'm playing nl10 6max reg tables on stars and I constantly find myself with 3-4 other regs who have good 3bet freq and can even light 4 bet. Playing in this field as a nit will be -EV especially with rake on micros.

forgot to say GL also OP in 2 c u win

@nosun tyty

@timsk ty for the advice But what is ABC poker? If it means the old advice of never bluffing at the micros, vbet a lot, etc, obv this is very bad advice since the avg uNL player from 2nl and up overfolds a lot to aggression. Didn´t work even at 2013 I guess. Also never adjusting to the fact they underbluff seems bad advice imho.

If it means not following a basic "dumb" book like CTM, agree bc, while being provided with rules to maximally exploit common player types, these things change and most of blackrains winrate came from recs anyway. If it means not maximally exploiting everyone with lines that work nowadays, I disagree.

If ABC is playing 100% solver vs everyone, agree it´s not the best approach, though I can´t do it anyway, not even close.

To try to defend a little bit my preflop strategy, I try to adapt my 3bets and isos to the player I´m facing (maybe I shouldn´t) and this ends up lowering the stats quite a bit. Vs avg decent regs I´m definitely not 3betting only 5%

Sorry if this sounds defensive, it´s not my intention, I´m actually bringing counter arguments to hopefully start a debate or smth like that.

Cheers

Think I answered this pot but gonna answer this again. Exactly, I was getting destroyed by the blinds, especially the BB. I´m a passive nit (way less now than I was at the date of the post). Not sure why, but I was playing even more passive at 10nl than I was at 5nl, hence the absurd difference in the graphs.

Slowly plugging these leaks each day and the difference in what I´m seeing at the games has been dramatic. Let´s just say redline is getting more or less like my 5nl line, WWSF up a little bit, and I think I´ll be able to make a very good post at the end of this month.

Why did I get so passive, and why I´m even more passive at 10nl than at 5nl?

Scared money. Not that I think I´m gonna lose my roll, just scared of keep losing at 10nl and never getting out of the hole. But playing scared, being a passive nit, is what´s keeping me in the hole with mediocre results. No matter how much study I do, or I think I do, playing with fear doesn´t look like a good recipe for winning in this game.

And no, I´m not trying to turn myself into a maniac. Just looking for spots where aggressive seems to be the most +EV line, seeing how I used to treat those spots before, and making the adjustments. As soon as I get 100% confident, and all of this becomes unconscious competence, I´ll take shots at 25nl. I´m confident I´ll fulfill this threads title this year.

RIO seems to be investing in new coaches, esp at Essential, and I like what I´m seeing so far.

find vini_vivao no insta.. maybe I can give you some help.

I completely understand. I've gone through the same issues and still deal with it today in certain spots where my mind would rather take the safe passive option instead of the riskier aggressive option. Fighting the urge is part of the battle.

It's good that you understand this. Almost every single player thinks that he's better than everyone around him, since he only understands the effort that he himself put into the game and is underestimating the hours that other players have put into studying it. This is how you end up having 9 players at the table and every single one of them thinks that they're the best player at the table.

The thing is that every person always thinks that their opinion is correct (otherwise they wouldn't have that opinion). This seems obvious, but it means that everytime you see someone play a hand differently than you'd play it, you automatically feel that that person is dumber than you. For example, if you see someone 3bet a hand you wouldn't, or check a strong draw where you would bet it - you always instinctively feel that you're the one right and they're wrong, while objectively it's 50/50 who's the smart one.

Every player is arrogant to some degree. You might see someone at the table who is a complete nit, but for all you know he's hard exploiting you or the population with that strategy.

Exactly. But confidence is also a very important trait, I´d assume you and most here agree with that. Balancing humility and confidence in poker is not that easy imo.

Best way to do (and its hard for me as well), start each session with you (I) am human, will make mistakes. My opponents will make mistakes (hopefully not up against gto bot, nor someone cruising with GTO wizard), mistakes are how people make money. And there is the luck factor pre vs board. We balance that exploit can be first offense, instead of last resort river shove. And we study, to learn our approaches. But, we will never be perfect. So, don't feel bad if have losing streak, its chance to learn more.

Read through this whole thread. You have a solid WR in 5NL and that's inspiring to me because I'm starting in 2NL myself. I just wanted to wish you luck. A lot of solid advice in this thread and I learned something I'm sure.

ty very much, gl to you too. Glad this thread helped you a bit I´m very happy to have that many quality poker friends posting good stuff here, that´s one of the main reasons I never really stay out of this forum for so long. I learn a lot too.

Hey guys!

So, anyone following my threads here on 2p2 knows NL10 gave me a lot of problems, frustrations, anger etc. So, finally seeing this:



makes me really, really happy. I know, I know, EV still down, but yeah, really happy, not only for turning things around, but for not giving up and riding it while (trying to) improve along the way so the changes are real and not only variance (hopefully).

Seeing a positive $ for a limit that gave me so much problems for so many years is a big deal, and I´ll definitely celebrate it today

Cheers

Good job!

That's a lot of hands. Keep on going.

tyty @ZKesic, FutureInsights

Wanna bring the updates back, think I´ll make results updates otherwise thread will probably remain like it is right now. As long as I only look at results at the end of the day, it shouldn´t be that bad. And I´m still constantly looking at results mid session, so that would be an improvement nonetheless.

Full db until today

So, beginning next session I´ll be making daily updates. As I pointed before, main upgrades I made to my game were becoming less nittier and more aggressive. Not spewy, just things that seem obvious (for example, value bet thin vs passive fish ). Being more aware of which game I´m bringing to the tables, and if it´s C or worse, just quitting. And being more serious on the table selecting front.

Without sacrifing quality, I´m also actively trying to up my volume again, want to go back to most days being at least 1k hands days. 40% RB is huge to waste not playing enough.

Cheers