Hey. Good to see you still trying to improve. GL sir

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tyty friends.

I made the rb challenge last month, this time my volume is suffering a little bit but I think I´ll manage it again, 250 points at 10nl not too hard even with low volume.

Hopefully results will come, already seeing improvements in NSD and WWSF slightly increased, without sacrificing my blue line (actually it would be better if not for my dumb hero calls but I´m improving on this item too).

One less glamurous but crucial subject is that I must really pay attention to table selecting, at 10nl tables may already get really bad, like 4 ucranians, 2 belarrusians, 2 russians, all playing 15/12/5 or similar stats (no fish) is quite common. At 5nl fish comes all the time, but not at 10nl.

Cheers

Couple suggestions. Avoid those games with full table of 15/12 nits, everyone would be losing substantially with the rake (iirc it was 5% uncapped at micros?).

Play 6max only. Wider ranges, getting used to playing late position spots like BTNvBB effectively is crucial for moving up.

GL

Man there has to be some better FR games to play than that! Especially at 10nl. Have you ever considered switching to a softer site? If you have to game select at 10nl that is pretty ridiculous.

10nl full ring should not be that tough. At 100-200nl on ACR/GG/Ignition you can consistently get games with at least 1 good fish if you table select well, more on GG and ignition. Maybe try GG?

Time is key. My wr at all stakes including 10nl is higher at night (Brazil time, GMT-3), bc tables are consistently better. If I only played at night I´d be winning nicely there btw.

Rake is 4.5% capped at 15 bbs. It gets to 5% at 25nl and stays there all the way up to the nosebleeds if I´m not mistaken (cap obv gets lower).

Time of day is massive for sure. The EST/PST zones are the nuts for grinding, the ~6PM-8PM grind is 2x better than some mid day grind where all the eastern euros are playing.

New thread still stuck in loserville at full r3tard tables...keep up the bad work.

I love you too

#lolswingaments

August + September til yesterday graph.

Yesterday at night games were so incredibly amazing. Shame I got tired and had to stop playing. Shows what I was talking about. Got another $40 in RB on top of that, and will get another $20 in a few days. Roll close to $1,400.00, and I´m considering taking limited 4-BI shots at NL25 (too bad NL16 FR don´t run enough tables) as soon as I pass that milestone and when conditions are right.

Cheers

There is this guy from Belarus who seems to be the biggest winner at 10nl FR. He´s doing 16 bb/100 over 660k hands at 10nl according to statsname, while playing 15/12/4.2 3bet with 40 WWSF. He comes and goes to tables all the time. Massive nitty bumhunter, doesn´t really seem to do anything tricky or non-ABC, just gets money from fishes and doesn´t spew vs regs. Might be running hot, as even 660k hands is not the long run ppl think it is, but still, doubt he isn´t a 10+ bb/100 true winner.

So, poker is not dead for me, even after all these years

And as many ppl say, bumhunting is a skill, a very valuable skill. Maybe even more than theory? (let the flame war begin ).

in! vamos caraleo ! gl

A bit of nuance in this subject: Table selection is extremely important (wouldn't say more than theory though). However, you do not want to rely too much on heavy table selection as this becomes a crutch and you end up not studying as much (this is at least my own experience playing in very high rake environments)

If you study enough and effectively implement what you learn, everyone is a fish and you'll be "bumhunting" no matter who you play

Better saying it, we should study poker. A lot. Constantly improving is key. Yet, in very high rake environments we need recreationals, otherwise we´ll be strong theorectical players who aren´t able to turn a decent profit. So both are important. I was trying to cause an impact, and it was (partially) a joke

There is this finnish guy, seta-beni if I´m not mistaken, who did a study where his wr on all reg tables was close to 0, and even one fish would catapult it to smth good, Two and it´s already printing I think.

But yeah, knowing how to exploit recreationals is theory obv.

tyty guys, feedback, constructive criticism (and the ocasional support lol) always welcome

Cheers

Its not that bumhunting eclipses theory, or vice versa. Its that as you climb the stakes, fish are harder to find. 10nl is one thing, 50nl is another. not that far apart, but imagine climbing to 100nl and 200nl, where the money is at. And then, imagine there are no stats (my site), or you are new to the level, so you have no stats on regulars vs fish vs whales.

That is where theory comes in. The fish get smaller pool wise at the higher levels. So say you can't beat the regs at 10nl, you are dead at 50nl or 100nl. You need that theory to beat the regs. Plain and simple.

Regs have tendencies that can be exploited. it starts with solver and hand ranges. If you run at equilibrium, notice whom has the higher ev for a particular flop with the ranges. Certain ranges are not good (about 50%) for nits, and that is anyone below 20 vpip in the 2021 climate. You can use that knowledge to raise a cbet.

In the solver, try to maximize ev by locking first node of opponents actions after equilibrium, then simplify your strat to either a certain bet size, combos to bet the size with, combos to check, combos to fold to cbet. Lock that strat, and run again. If the ev lowers for you, then unlock the strat, and lock villains strat, run again, and simplify again (it will be different).

You may find a bigger bet is needed on certain flops with certain ranges, and smaller bet is needed under same circumstances, different flop. Simplifying and plying the solution really helps. Doing this, you will develop a variety of strats, and some will be exploitative, and some will be balanced.

PS, simplifying means no percentage of bet (first node only). If you have 2 bet sizes and x/f, then run through all hands, and try to match what the original overall percentage is, then each hand, try to match the percentage by selecting combos with big bet, small bet, check or fold.

This is intensive, but you then learn more about why you are doing what you are doing. Sometimes betting with negative ev is recommended, think about why (balancing and exploitation).

Trust me, those playing the higher stakes are putting in the work, to make those win rates you speak of.

@FutureInsights And a strategy upgrade will probably be required when I move from NL10 to NL25 (no NL16, really, impossible to grind any reasonable volume with good tables). Still, what I really want is to do like the finnish guy I was talking about: build a strategy (with solvers and mda) that exploits the pool, and then think about specific profiles and any really good player that might come here and there and give us problems.

So, theory will be required. My post was more or less a conversation starter to move this thread

Still, to me maximizing winrate is huge. We need money to move up, and to move up faster at reg tables we need winrate.

Cheers

Totally understandable. To better explain the above concepts, what we are really looking at is mixing, and bluff ev vs regular ev, and range advantage (what flops to bet our range with, and when to check).

Though, my concepts are a little more appropriate for higher levels and 6 max, I need win rate as well. Mine has gone up after months of down (some of that is spew, others are bad calls or how the heck did they get it bad beats).


Advanced level study does use the solver to play the solution, which we do after simplification (the mixing strategies for r/c, x/c/r/f, etc).

My knowledge of full ring (which will get less players per table as you climb the levels, all sites have this) is they are nits. Avg vpip is around 18-20% for optimal play, vs 6 max at 24-27% (the new ranges). You need exceptional pre flop ranges for full ring (hard to find), and it will be more difficult to isolate a given player. This is especially true at 10nl. And, these skills do not translate well (though there is some transition) to 6 max play.

As players leave your full ring table, you may find yourself short handed. This is where we need to adjust. Does Stars have Full Ring tables at 100nl above running? Are they full? (I used to observe all the time when Starts and Tilt were in the US).

i'd be open to watch you play and see how you think about the game

@FutureInsights I understand. Until now Pokersnowie ranges (which are very close to the ones you sent me if we remove the first positions) do well at my games. I like to go by position on hem3 and then open the hand grid and check how they do (like, are they winning or losing), and most are winning, some lose. If they lose over very big samples I´d remove them.

I do the same for 3bets, both when I´m the 3bettor and when I´m defending (obv considering I don´t need to be profitable, just lose less then what I lose when folding etc. Same for defending BB etc.

Anyway, I´m removing the cold calls IP and doing more 3bet or fold unless very fishy table. SB cc doesn´t do particularly well, so also 3b/f.

Opening a bit more than Snowie from CO and BU seems a good strategy at 10nl, ppl still overfolds. All my openings including the trashier ones show positive winrate from those positions. I lose winrate by being as tight as Snowie from LP.

My losses IMHO are coming from three main places: 1) Not defending enough from the big blind. Like, I was being a huuuuuuuuuge nit, not sure how I could win at 5nl. Actually I know: bc of the constant supply of fish esp after the table # cap. Interestingly, even though my postflop game needs a lot of improvements, loosening up still the most important thing right now. 2) Not winning my fair share of the small pots, bc I´m being to passive and overfolding too much (overfolding vs some lines still important when playing vs a nitty pool). 3) Tilt calling too much on the very big pots close to 200 bb. So I have a very big and nitty w$sd but I´m not winning.

Got a RIO Elite sub these days and I´m studying the stuff about flop strategy, esp continuation bets and defending vs them, esp trying to up my x/r closer to optimal, but also not to massively overfold anymore. Looking forward to turn and river barrels also. Playing the river will come next, then 3bet and 4bet pots.

I´m positive these last two months pre rb and the added rb by stars has been a nice bonus.

Tables usually die when they become shorthanded, so I usually just check sit out next bb when it happens. Up to 200nl it´s ok and you can get tables even when at off-peak times. Not sure how good or bad those tables are, but I expect at least one weaker player at any given time, otherwise why would those games run in the first place?

@beezgamble I accept your "offer", def would like someone to hear my thinking process and check how I play, ty very much.

I make too many mistakes when I try to write too fast in english lol. Sorry if your eyes hurt bc of that, hopefully the essence of my post is understandable

My coach says a flatting range is not bad, as long as the ranges are gto solved (don't know where you can get full ring there).

I would take my ranges, and split them up a bit.

This guy has some you might be interested in: https://www.youtube.com/user/mlukich/videos its his you tube channel - though he mostly plays live, full ring. He has developed FR pre ranges, and shows you how to use data from GTO+ to create your own.

I would watch his GTO+ videos, all 4 on how to study. We need to check the ego at the door. There are flatting ranges and 3bet ranges (though I have not seem his). If you 3bet or fold all the time, you are missing out on value (though I play at most 2 tables at a time, so can concentrate more on the players vs volume). If you learn which flops are not good for cbetting, you can raise no matter your holdings, because people listen too much to gto sometimes, and don't realize flops that are better for callers range than raiser.

I have the good red line, because I can tell when to raise a cbet, just by range playing. That is part of our strategy, and theory, exploits developed from data analysis, gets the win rate (I am in the middle of classes for analysis, hope to have something to sell in the future). We also need to know other aspects, like small bet vs big bet as cbet, or to raise when not donking vs calling, etc (guess that is the flop play you speak 9f)

Found another with good advice for full ring. Uri Peleg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X3pcNNF6GQ

His other videos are worthwhile as well.

tyty @FutureInsights

Felt motivated once more to try 6-max (only reg tables). Same points I made before + feeling really pumped by the RIO Elite content. Let´s see for how long this is gonna last

Btw still playing 10nl, still very comfortable with the limit, which feels soft enough to me (obv bc nowadays I tableselect a lot as I said before).

Cheers

Back to FR

6-max when table selecting is probably more profitable than FR, maybe way more profitable. We play more HU vs fish and a bit more opportunities of playing IP (at FR odds of getting squeezed or going postflop multiway when at least one of villains is a reg goes higher). And we play more hands/HR. Well, I think I´m going back to 6-max next session lol

Anyway, I know one of my biggest leaks (which is improving thankfully) is not giving enough credit on multiway pots to regs or passive players in general. So hard to get good content on RIO or internet in general for MWP bc it´s more of a FR problem and most of the content is 6-max.