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07-05-2023 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by wereallgonnamakeit
The rake is 10bb/100, therefore you must play tables with lots of fish, lots of multiway pots, very rare to win on redline.

My overall winrate on GG is 2evbb/100 pre rakeback over 200k hands, which is 5-6 bb/100 post rake back.

The way GG is almost no one has winning red line. I always get negative comments on my redline from everyone except from high stakes players, who understand the environments. My overall results on GG are quite good, much better than the average reg, and I play average 6-9 tables.

Sorry if this came off as very defensive, of course I can improve my game in some spots, but just looking at graph doesn't tell me how to improve and it's not really a good indicator of anything.
This is my year to date rush NL200 graph for what its worth...

-14bb/100 red line is a major leak somewhere.... The general NL200 population of regs usually split into two categories the uber nits and the spewtards.... Usually the spewtards dont really know how to adjust to me and tend to overbluff me too much. In general I look at my heuristics and what I see is the 3bet and call 3bet game is pretty much balanced as in most ppl have a good threshold of this play but the SRP is where I make a ton of money due to again either im either being underbluffed or overbluffed.

Most likey you either not winning being the cold caller or you have leaks in calling 3bets these two strategies gonna make a huge dump on your red line if you dont have a good strategy.

Anyway my nl200 winrate is not sustainable but I basically just bumhunt and try play against fishes and avoid regs when I play hence the higher winrates.... the nl100 graph is probably by gravitation to the mean since that vol I have played alot versus the regs day in day out.... Anyway just check what I said above you probably not exploiting the population correctly and either giving too much to the nits or spewing bluffing spewtards too much who play back if you do this you will end up giving more ev on the table. Hope that helps I been around for a year or longer on GG now.



I include my nl100 graph ytd also



And on reg tables I tend to be more looser and I open wider so given that also you should be winning more pots uncontested or you just simply defending too much with a wide range you havent really solved.
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07-05-2023 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by wereallgonnamakeit
I have 14% 4b, 8.5% 3b, WWSF 48, WTSD 32

My main leak is missing turn barrels with air, not going to buy anything from patrick/nick howard but I have a coach and I'm working on it.



I agree, just not getting raised enough OTR in these games, I always like to play trappy trappy with some checkraises and protect my different bet ranges but I think I can play a lot more unbalanced in spots.



Idk, I realize that I am defensive, think I am self conscious about not having a sexy graph because playing on GG is all about rakeback, but there are definitely things I can work on.

I talked with a couple guys, basically they think playing 200rnc is going to have much higher hourly than 200nl reg tables, I kind of agree. I was making 8 bb postrb on reg tables but only ~400 hands per hour, can make 3-4bb postrb on zoom playing 1000 hands per hour.

Basically going to play mass volume 200z and play 500/1knl tables on GG when zoom pool is ****. Testing some apps for 1k games as well but a bit hesitant

Edit: and taking studying more seriously, doing 1 hour of study a day, either running a spot in the solver and really analyzing it, or making a video for youtube, coaching session, etc. but minimum 1 hr real studying of poker per day no excuses. And have to stop playing donkaments
if you dont crush reg tables dont dive into zoom since ranges aren't really wide in rush and cash format so really it is about who has the most ev edge versus your strategy so you will need to be very much fundamentally stronger to crush zoom compared to reg tables.... Rush and Cash is really a different beast and I am just worried you will get rekted like most ppl who dive into it without testing it out first over a good sample.... I use to do 3 tables and I actually dropped down to 2 now because I felt I still wasn't opening enough and it makes a big difference in terms of thought process and how you play hands. If you crushing it and can auto pilot 80-90% of most cases then yeah 4 tabling zoom be profitable but if you working on improving your game then 4 tables isnt the way to go.
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07-05-2023 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
Ok, I understand if you’re doing work off the tables and don’t want to make all that public. But, I don’t understand what work you are doing off the tables? Because posting a YT video (which I enjoyed both of them, btw) doesn’t count as “studying.” In general I find your post about mandating studying 1hr a day concerning given your stated goal of reaching high stakes. To succeed at that, you have to LOVE the off tables grind. It’s fine if you want to make a solid living at 200nl/soft mistakes games with good table selection and chill/travel in CR, you’re definitely talented enough for that, I just think you need to be honest with yourself about your goals and expectations.
Thanks for watching the vids. I see your point. At the moment I am studying mainly reviewing hands in solver + looking for heuristics but also doing hand reviews with other guys.

The real problem for me is volume I think, I mean my winrate at 500nl is quite bad 1bb/100 post rb over 50k hands but it's a small sample and I think I've improved. I just need to put volume in at high hourly fields like 200rnc and 500nl and hopefully grow my bankroll and continue to invest in coaching/studying.

FWIW I had never played serious hours on a public site until mid February of this year. Only played app games, since then made like 20k and have good winrate at midstakes so I really think I just need to focus on volume on the grind, but I reassess my game constantly and try to make sure I am doing my most. I can try and talk more abt how I'm studying etc. I'm very young so my goals are quite high

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Originally Posted by nogamenolife
if you dont crush reg tables dont dive into zoom since ranges aren't really wide in rush and cash format so really it is about who has the most ev edge versus your strategy so you will need to be very much fundamentally stronger to crush zoom compared to reg tables.... Rush and Cash is really a different beast and I am just worried you will get rekted like most ppl who dive into it without testing it out first over a good sample.... I use to do 3 tables and I actually dropped down to 2 now because I felt I still wasn't opening enough and it makes a big difference in terms of thought process and how you play hands. If you crushing it and can auto pilot 80-90% of most cases then yeah 4 tabling zoom be profitable but if you working on improving your game then 4 tables isnt the way to go.
Honestly,

A: I assume you are deleting hands to be running > 120 buyins above EV so I take your wr with a grain of salt and

B: The RNC regs are generally mindless compared to reg table players, there are exceptions but most are nits and very bad rakeback grinders. Most of the smart guys play reg tables, and I have a high WR on them, I just wanted to play RNC to try and max out hourly and work on my game v nits
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07-05-2023 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
yeah like he said, you don't need to do any MDA work, you can if you want to see where your pool is deviating from GTO in general but it's also to see where you yourself are deviating without knowing it, maybe you're raising river much less than GTO, maybe you're folding 5% more than GTO etc.
I feel like trying to solve these sorts of infrequent and very diverse river spots down to <5% error from GTO is not going to outperform making adjustments for playing in an imbalanced pool... or at least it isn't a worthwhile use of time/extra money for software. I think it's totally reasonable for OP to grind most of the head-down leakfinding/frequency work off the felt and away from the thread with his coach.

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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
It’s hard not to notice how dismissive you are of comments that are trying to help…I’d like to weigh in but am worried it will be taken the wrong way
It's understandable OP is dismissive of feedback that amounts to looking at his 3b frequencies and to value bet more thinly. I too remember moving up from 10nl to 25nl.
He's got a coach and study groups and is putting in great volume on that raketrap site and beating 200 convincingly despite still working on redline.

Keep crushing OP, best of luck on the YouTube grind.
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07-06-2023 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by wereallgonnamakeit
Thanks for watching the vids. I see your point. At the moment I am studying mainly reviewing hands in solver + looking for heuristics but also doing hand reviews with other guys.

The real problem for me is volume I think, I mean my winrate at 500nl is quite bad 1bb/100 post rb over 50k hands but it's a small sample and I think I've improved. I just need to put volume in at high hourly fields like 200rnc and 500nl and hopefully grow my bankroll and continue to invest in coaching/studying.

FWIW I had never played serious hours on a public site until mid February of this year. Only played app games, since then made like 20k and have good winrate at midstakes so I really think I just need to focus on volume on the grind, but I reassess my game constantly and try to make sure I am doing my most. I can try and talk more abt how I'm studying etc. I'm very young so my goals are quite high



Honestly,

A: I assume you are deleting hands to be running > 120 buyins above EV so I take your wr with a grain of salt and

B: The RNC regs are generally mindless compared to reg table players, there are exceptions but most are nits and very bad rakeback grinders. Most of the smart guys play reg tables, and I have a high WR on them, I just wanted to play RNC to try and max out hourly and work on my game v nits
I've been doing rush and cash for over a year, so deleting hands is not gonna keep me from staying at the table or keep playing is it and frankly there is very few regs I have seen at nl50/nl100 where are still playing these limits and I know most of the regs at nl200/nl100/nl50 now - but like I said I will go with what the others say here.

You refuse to accept help but if you can think you can beat rush and cash then go for it... you will be surprised when you find out how diferent it is to reg tables. Best of luck with what you do, there is not just one way to beat the game but if you dont have the data or analysis your population tendencies then you will not know what works or doesnt. I have population data for my limits for over a year now from hands I played so I have a reasonable benchmark to scope or see what actually works and what doesn't. best of luck.

All I can say is I will still be around and grinding till the end of the year.

btw your assumption is wrong out of all the reg nl200 rush and cash there is about 3-4 max nits but the rest are spewy and play kinda like you... I will leave you to figure it out, good luck.
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07-06-2023 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by wereallgonnamakeit

A: I assume you are deleting hands to be running > 120 buyins above EV so I take your wr with a grain of salt and
FYYI

here is my 130k hands from ggpoker. I dont delete hands because I dont have anything to prove... I have no desire or need to coach people lol... I don't really post much because people can't believe my results but what can I say...

There are people who can win versus the rake on gg and the data below just proves it also or unless you saying im getting ggpoker to delete my hands also... LOL!!!



and here is my graph give or take similar number of hands i probably missed some imports from gg..



I added also my NL50 for March also...

This is from GGPoker



From my pokertracker again missing a few hands not sure where..



Both cases tho I'm clearing beating the rake and +EV win rate so there is no reason for me to delete hands... I just confused why I'm missing some will try and find out where the differences are but the graphs in both cases are going in the same direction =)

Last edited by nogamenolife; 07-06-2023 at 03:28 AM.
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07-06-2023 , 03:45 AM
just for completeness I added in April and May also...

Didn't play much in June like I said in my blog but yeah hard for me to fudge all these months dont you think?


April (split into two cos too many hands)







may



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07-17-2023 , 04:56 PM
regardless....


took a vacation first 10 days of July so haven't played much volume this month but dying to get back into it. Going to play lots of volume at 500nl, some 200z, and aim to take some 1knl shots by August. Competitions tough on GG but I've been studying!
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07-23-2023 , 11:10 PM
This is my graph at 200rnc this month.



I'm contemplating whether I should just stick around at 200z for a month or so, get in a lot of volume and study, or start shotting 500/1knl hard and play lower volume.

To be honest, I think my hourly is probably similar at 200z vs 500/1knl just because the class of regs are so different (the 500/1k guys are mostly quite sharp) and I can get a lot of hands in at 200rnc without putting too many hours.

I know the answer is I should probably be aggressively shottaking but not even sure if I'm beating up to 1k on GG
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07-27-2023 , 06:28 AM
how beatable in your experience do you think the 200z games are with the high rake over the long run? Props on volume as well.
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07-27-2023 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by NoChopNinja
how beatable in your experience do you think the 200z games are with the high rake over the long run? Props on volume as well.
I don't know. 90% of the regs seem to be losing pre rakeback, at least from what I've talked to. I have 0.5 EVBB/100 over 60k hands but ofc the sample is pretty small. I need to play more hands and make a better decision.

Since rakeback is around 3-4bb/100, my guess is the very best regs can win at 4-6bb/100 post rakeback, which is a $100 hourly playing 4 tables, which is pretty good, but if you are not already a 200 reg then I would start out by playing reg tables.
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07-31-2023 , 06:43 PM
Full graph for july




Less volume bc took a large break in beginning of month. Results are pretty mediocre because i'm playing too much zoom format and not sticking to my bread and butter which is 200 reg tables, which I have a very high wr in and feel I am way above the level of the regs. Ideally want to split around 50/50 200 and 500nl reg tables. Still made 3.5k in rakeback so not all for lost but if I was a bit more disciplined and focused could have easily been a lot better.

Recently I have been ****ing up my sleep, pulling all nighters, playing into super late hours and then watching tv series until it gets too late to even go to sleep. I think tbh it's because I'm living alone and can make up my schedule 100%, it's kind of killing me. Sometimes there are people over but it's a tiny studio so really it's just me my desk and my poker set up. I am probably more productive but a lot less consistent and more erratic. Growing up wasn't only child or rich or anything and my whole life lived sharing a room with my brother or with a roommate so its a bit weird for me. Also in the process of quitting nicotine (>3 weeks clean) and also used to be a very frequent weed smoker.

Gonna play a live series in a couple days then return to the states and aim to battle 500/1knl there on global and really build my roll. Also need to work on being more consistent with lifting and actually pushing myself to hit PRs not just going to the gym just to go.

Bit of a ramble but a lot on my mind lately with poker
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07-31-2023 , 08:59 PM
whats your fold to river bet %?

ime its common to have some red line leakage here
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08-01-2023 , 07:49 AM
you're taking a lot of breaks bro.. and avoiding your best winning game... why?!
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08-01-2023 , 12:52 PM
I can relate to some of the struggles, obviously having the freedom to do whatever tf you want a great thing that comes with poker. But it can get lonely at times - while in a "real job" you have more real-life interaction with colleges, mandatory drinks on Fridays etc. And yeah working mad hours in a small bedroom/studio is not ideal aswell (currently I do the same here), and I can imagine you (almost) going mad at times especially with a relative high variance income stream like poker. Recently I started sharing an appartment with another poker player and I recommend this maybe in the future (more social interaction, someone on same sleep schedule etc.)

I think taking a break is good actually, try to fix your sleep a bit. Do some fun **** with friends, going out/drinking etc. Usually when I'm restarting after a break I can balance things way better (so I won't straight away play degen hours), and I can really enjoy the pokergrind again!
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08-01-2023 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RodricWar
whats your fold to river bet %?

ime its common to have some red line leakage here
not sure, my fold to river c bet is 50% which is quite high compared to 40% flop and turn, which I think is a bigger leak at 500. I overfold in general force of habit unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by ExpatRights
you're taking a lot of breaks bro.. and avoiding your best winning game... why?!

Laziness I suppose? When I play zoom instead of reg its much easier just can sitdown and mindlessly grind, don't have to worry about table selection, game dynamics etc. The breaks were well needed though, I'm gonna grind some live cash anyway so it's not much of a break.

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I can relate to some of the struggles, obviously having the freedom to do whatever tf you want a great thing that comes with poker. But it can get lonely at times - while in a "real job" you have more real-life interaction with colleges, mandatory drinks on Fridays etc. And yeah working mad hours in a small bedroom/studio is not ideal aswell (currently I do the same here), and I can imagine you (almost) going mad at times especially with a relative high variance income stream like poker. Recently I started sharing an appartment with another poker player and I recommend this maybe in the future (more social interaction, someone on same sleep schedule etc.)

I think taking a break is good actually, try to fix your sleep a bit. Do some fun **** with friends, going out/drinking etc. Usually when I'm restarting after a break I can balance things way better (so I won't straight away play degen hours), and I can really enjoy the pokergrind again!
yeah the biggest problem is I'm in a new country and don't speak the language so I don't have any old friends that I can just chill with. And the states is so expensive on a midstakes player's income.

I'm gonna live with my parents couple months and will try and mass grind my bankroll there playing on softer sites as well as 200 on GG and the goal is to be solidified at 1k by the end of the summer which would be great and allow more freedom in where I want to live.
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08-01-2023 , 06:53 PM
dope read so far! Kinda crazy you went to Hatillo by bus lmfao, i wouldnt even do that being a local... you still in cr?
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08-01-2023 , 09:14 PM
Why did you decide to switch to global? Or play live? You need more volume less site/game/format switching
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08-01-2023 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MDMA Hero
dope read so far! Kinda crazy you went to Hatillo by bus lmfao, i wouldnt even do that being a local... you still in cr?
Thanks! Had some fun all around San Jose, also did beach stuff dirtbiking etc. in Jaco and all the nature stuff. I'm only gonna be in CR for a couple weeks, going to Panama for a bit then leaving the 13th. Where are you situated?
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08-02-2023 , 12:15 AM
subbed. gl op
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08-08-2023 , 09:11 PM
Just wrapped up my LAPT Panama trip. Leaving tomorrow.

Played the 1.5k main, the 200 turbo, 2x turbo ko, 500 pko, and the 1k mystery. All in all, 3.5k in bullets.

Cashed the 200 turbo for 340, got 2 bounties in the pko for 200, and had a great run in the mystery for $10,050. Pics of the trip are below.



airbnb digs





Overall great trip.

Now back to costa rica for a couple days, then to the states and start a new routine + dedicate poker time to cash games 100%. Will update when back in the states
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08-08-2023 , 09:56 PM
Sick sick sick, nice bink! That’s a bunch of bbs for the cgs
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08-11-2023 , 01:28 PM
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Sick sick sick, nice bink! That’s a bunch of bbs for the cgs
thanks, very nice indeed to get a couple buy ins for cash and nice for the bankroll.

lost on the FT w 4 left AK < AJ, literally had to lie down on the hotel couch after it and had dreams about it, but I realize I was lucky to have a nice profitable trip in the first place and got very lucky to be that deep in the tournament in the first place.

Came into the final table as chip leader and soon had like 50% of the chips in play, but a few unfortunate all ins and I was out.
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08-21-2023 , 08:25 PM
just signed a one year CFP contract with PWR, playing 200-500nl on global atm, goal is to be at 2k on global + WPN in 1.5 years!
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