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08-05-2022 , 07:35 PM
This is my YTD results. Seems like my skill level is a break even/slightly winning nl5z player. Don't know if I should carry on grinding if I'm not going to change my strategy. But problem is I don't know what the correct strategy is! I need to change the way I play though if I want to beat this game but I don't know what to do...

Interesting that I haven't deposited at all so I'm actually winning with rakeback (lol PS rakeback) but look at that disgusting amount of rake they've taken.



I feel like if I've already played 400k hands this YTD and not improved much then perhaps this game is not for me. But I don't want to do anything else. I like poker only because of the freedom it offers, I don't actually enjoy the mechanics of the game. But once you get to higher stakes you are still at the mercy of chasing whales and bumhunting. So is it really that much more free than other money making pursuits?

I don't know what else I'd want to do in my spare time though but I am disappointed that I haven't progressed naturally out of nl5z just by playing.

nl5z YTD graph (technically on a 150k hand downswing)

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08-06-2022 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Piniiii
I think you should stop using PIO like you are.

Even for node locking you are wasting time using a solver in NL5zoom. Even at NL50 regs I think you would be wasting a lot of time that can be put into playing and voluming or using something like equilab. That being said, you can node lock a lot, but you need to have a baseline from where you can derive exploits, so you can do a pop. analysis and go from that.

Don't overthink things, it will make you feel bad that you are looking at a solver and not beating a game that it is easy to beat. You are probably just overthinking and using the inadequate tools.

Your overall aggression is low. Gtowizard may tell you to flat the bb more often, but that doesn't consider the absurd amount of rake in micro stakes and also it assumes that everyone is playing the same preflop ranges. Considering the low 4bet by the population, the flop overfolds and the preflop overfolds, you should 3bet even more than what a standard got range for lower rake would suggest.

Sizes doesn't really matter that much, you will make more mistakes in later streets without experience if you start using a bigger size than 1/3. Just bet everything 1/3 IP unless monotone and really wet boards like 987ss or something. It really doesn't matter and the gains in ev won't matter much since everyone yourself included will make plenty of mistakes ott and otr.

When people talk about aggression it immediate comes to mind big overbets and river xr bluffs. You don't even need to overbet at those stakes. People overfold so much that again it doesn't matter.

Keep in mind, aggression can be probing 2/3 a lot vs a x, since people under protect their checking ranges specially IP. So just try to probe all your air turn and river and I guarantee you that your wr and redline will go up. Also, delay river bets work wonders. Also protect your x range oop (overprotect it), and xr a lot specially bluffs.

Just plain and simple aggression, not on big pots where everyone at this stakes has the nuts, but on small pots, and your wr will skyrocket
This is great advice. OP, you should get a back tattoo of this, post a pic of it itt, and then achieve your goals.
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08-06-2022 , 07:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Piniiii
Gtowizard may tell you to flat the bb more often, but that doesn't consider the absurd amount of rake in micro stakes...
Quote:
Originally Posted by iliketurtles
look at that disgusting amount of rake they've taken.
Isn't this only like 5.5bb/100 rake at 5z? That's less than what I'm paying at 50-100nl on ipoker.

If you aren't crushing 5nl consistently, you probably have some major leaks in your game. Try to focus your study on exploiting nits and recs.

Hands:
H1: MP and BTN should mainly be set mining with 99-88 preflop and it all gets there, so the 3bet is definitely too thin. It's closer to folding vs the flop raise tbh.

H2: The funny thing is that he may actually fold vs a half pot bet, as it looks more valuey. Don't bluff like that vs recs. It's not +EV.
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08-06-2022 , 07:58 AM
Use solvers to develop a strategy, not to check specific combos or to memorize frequencies. Develop heuristics. You know you have to be more aggressive, filter for lines youīre being passive, put them into the solver, see what is the equilibrum strategy, simplify, make notes and build heuritics for you to use in game. Consider building your entire strategy into a playbook you'd be able to check in game (so simplify the way you write them).

See Finding Equilibrium channel, and the videos where he teaches his gf, for a good example of how a playbook would look like, and how to use solvers more effectively.

Go slowly and be patient, this prob will take months if not years, lots of frustrations and setbacks involved. Consider a coach if you want it to be quicker. Like, open your wallet and buy all the hours you really need, not only 1 or 2 for a sample session.

People donīt bluff enough at the micros. They bluff, and you might get some confirmation bias if you see a lot of them in a row, but MDA shows pretty clearly itīs way below what they should be doing. Go figure the lines and formations that are underbluffed, overbluffed etc (or ask your future coach ).

Move away from zoom. You could be beating 5nl reg tables easily by bumhunting them, winning is contagious, give us confidence, and confidence is necessary to improve.

GLGL
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08-06-2022 , 08:11 AM
Thanks for the comments guys, I’m currently at a BBQ supposed to be enjoying myself but can’t stop thinking about how to beat this game.

I’ve played 25k hands of 5nl reg tables and crushed it so that’s why I’m sticking to zoom because l want to crush that too. Improving is more important than winning at micros for now and zoom puts you in tougher spots.
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08-06-2022 , 11:40 AM
Kiranov is a solid reg (at least at the micros and small stakes per his threads and yt channel). He made a BR challenge in the stars.com pool, that you can see here:

LINK

I used to struggle like you, and asked for him to post his stats at 10nl and 25nl, that he very kindly did on page 4. Check his wwsf (and other stats, he posted a lot of them), his redline and some of the HHs. Look at his turn and river barreling, his AF and agg%.

He also has an youtube channel, and seem to have made another (unposted) challenge, with the results being here:

LINK

He played very exploitative obv, which is required to crush these games, but Iīm pretty sure this would give you a ceiling on what crushing would be.

And remember, even Finding Equilibrium, a very GTO based guy, said when making the Ariel's vids that itīs better to veer on the side of overaggression than passivity. Think about it and then look at your game.

Seriously, if you really want to keep playing this raketrap called zoom, at least get a coach and pay a lot of hours so you can totally revamp your strategy to smth that stands a chance.

Cheers, and again, good luck!
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08-06-2022 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by iliketurtles
This is my YTD results. Seems like my skill level is a break even/slightly winning nl5z player. Don't know if I should carry on grinding if I'm not going to change my strategy. But problem is I don't know what the correct strategy is! I need to change the way I play though if I want to beat this game but I don't know what to do...
Hey turtles, sorry to read of your struggles and doubts about pursuing the game. I definitely know the feeling. In your OP you say that you're trying to grind your way to 100nl before finding a CFP, but based on the types of frustrations you're having I think now is the best possible time to apply to one. I'm in Poker Detox, where they teach you certain protocols for playing that massively simplify the game and give you heuristics to crush redline. I'm personally having some issues with the way Detox approaches the game and their CFP, but I'm at a very different place in my poker career than you and the vast majority of players in Detox seem to love it. We've been talking a lot about this recently in my blog on here if you want to check it out.
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08-06-2022 , 05:03 PM
Thanks everyone for your comments, I shall be checking out the links and blogs.

Had a +6BI session today on nl5z.

Some hands:

1. Maybe I should fold with As blocking bluffs.

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $5.30 (106 bb)
    Hero (BB): $18.35 (367 bb)
    UTG: $6.03 (120.6 bb)
    MP: $11.25 (225 bb)
    CO: $5.72 (114.4 bb)
    BTN: $14.42 (288.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
    4 folds, SB raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, SB calls $0.30

    Flop: ($0.90) T 9 8 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.29, SB raises to $4.85 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.56

    Turn: ($10.60) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($10.60) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $10.60 pot ($0.44 rake)
    Final Board: T 9 8 T Q
    SB showed T T and won $10.16 ($4.86 net)
    Hero showed A A and lost (-$5.30 net)


    2. Fish min 3 bets IP. Almost always nutted but can't seem to fold.

      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $5.53 (110.6 bb)
      BB: $13.62 (272.4 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $9 (180 bb)
      MP: $5.37 (107.4 bb)
      CO: $15.94 (318.8 bb)
      BTN: $2.91 (58.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with K Q
      Hero raises to $0.12, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.18

      Flop: ($0.67) 2 Q 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.64, Hero calls $0.64

      Turn: ($1.95) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.94, Hero raises to $4.69, BTN calls $1.03 and is all-in

      River: ($5.89) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $5.89 pot ($0.24 rake)
      Final Board: 2 Q 8 8 3
      Hero showed K Q and lost (-$2.91 net)
      BTN showed A A and won $5.65 ($2.74 net)


      3. Similar as 2.

        Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        SB: $4.84 (96.8 bb)
        BB: $17.91 (358.2 bb)
        Hero (UTG): $5 (100 bb)
        MP: $11.04 (220.8 bb)
        CO: $8.62 (172.4 bb)
        BTN: $2.77 (55.4 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is UTG with A T
        Hero raises to $0.12, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.13

        Flop: ($0.57) 3 5 T (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN bets $0.55, Hero calls $0.55

        Turn: ($1.67) 3 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN bets $1.97 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.97

        River: ($5.61) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $5.61 pot ($0.23 rake)
        Final Board: 3 5 T 3 7
        Hero showed A T and lost (-$2.77 net)
        BTN showed J J and won $5.38 ($2.61 net)


        4. Butchered this hand, wanted value from lower pocket pairs.

          Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          Hero (SB): $5 (100 bb)
          BB: $9.61 (192.2 bb)
          UTG: $9.69 (193.8 bb)
          MP: $5 (100 bb)
          CO: $5.37 (107.4 bb)
          BTN: $6.91 (138.2 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
          UTG raises to $0.15, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, BB folds, UTG calls $0.45

          Flop: ($1.25) 4 A 2 (2 players)
          Hero bets $0.41, UTG calls $0.41

          Turn: ($2.07) 8 (2 players)
          Hero checks, UTG checks

          River: ($2.07) 7 (2 players)
          Hero bets $1.05, UTG calls $1.05

          Spoiler:
          Results: $4.17 pot ($0.17 rake)
          Final Board: 4 A 2 8 7
          Hero showed K K and lost (-$2.06 net)
          UTG showed A Q and won $4 ($1.94 net)
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          08-06-2022 , 08:40 PM
          H1: Yeah, this texture hits his range so hard that we donīt really dominate any value hand he represents. Maybe JTdd and thatīs it, he has so many 2p, sets etc, youīre crushed. And as you mentioned, you block some NFDs he might be bluffing with. Plus the all in being more than 10x your flop cbet sizing.

          H2: Looks fine to me. Calling him down would also be fine imo. He's a fish afterall, so you can relax your standards for bluffcatching here. Fish may have worse Qx on this line + the occasional bluff + random ****

          H3: Same thing I said + never considering folding tp or better to the turn jam on this spr. The jam would need to be at least 1.5x pot before I could change my mind.

          H4: Too merged to reopen the action on the river imho, especially for that sizing. Block would be the only one I could ever think, but Iīd rather x river with KK unless villain is a confirmed fish. Only bet tp++ or bluffs on the river vs anyone else. Always think about your range, not only villains.

          Back to KK, I would x/f river unless heīs a fish and not a passive one. Even if a reg is opening 53s or 65s UTG (I doubt), and defending them (ambitious thought), that would be obv calls on the flop, they all got there by the river. 55 and 66, not sure if a 5nl reg is turning into a bluff. 99-JJ, he has to be really bad to reopen.

          This is an overfolded flop spot vs cbets imho + tight formation (UTG vs SB 3BP), so his value betting range on the river is pretty narrow, and he probably doesnīt bluff enough, if he even end up with any bluff on the river to begin with. So in conclusion still x and folding if he bets.

          Last edited by FazendeiroBH; 08-06-2022 at 09:09 PM.
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          08-06-2022 , 09:10 PM
          But again, H4 we can value bet smaller (block sizing) vs fish. In my experience, you get called by worse pps vs them specifically.
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          08-07-2022 , 11:10 AM
          1. Didn't think a set would bet turn half pot, I block flushes. Bluffs could be KsX that he 3b pre, unlikely.

            Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

            SB: $5.77 (115.4 bb)
            BB: $22.45 (449 bb)
            UTG: $8.08 (161.6 bb)
            MP: $23.97 (479.4 bb)
            CO: $4.57 (91.4 bb)
            Hero (BTN): $16.27 (325.4 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q
            3 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, SB folds, BB raises to $0.53, Hero calls $0.41

            Flop: ($1.08) T J Q (2 players)
            BB bets $0.52, Hero calls $0.52

            Turn: ($2.12) 6 (2 players)
            BB bets $1.01, Hero calls $1.01

            River: ($4.14) Q (2 players)
            BB bets $3.97, Hero calls $3.97

            Spoiler:
            Results: $12.08 pot ($0.50 rake)
            Final Board: T J Q 6 Q
            BB showed T T and won $11.58 ($5.55 net)
            Hero mucked A Q and lost (-$6.03 net)


            2. Perhaps too thin

              Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

              SB: $7.64 (152.8 bb)
              BB: $8.42 (168.4 bb)
              UTG: $8.68 (173.6 bb)
              MP: $4.69 (93.8 bb)
              CO: $5.63 (112.6 bb)
              Hero (BTN): $5.33 (106.6 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
              UTG folds, MP raises to $0.12, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.40, SB folds, BB calls $0.35, MP calls $0.28

              Flop: ($1.22) Q 3 K (3 players)
              BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40, MP calls $0.40

              Turn: ($2.42) 3 (3 players)
              BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.79, BB folds, MP calls $0.79

              River: ($4) 4 (2 players)
              MP checks, Hero bets $3.74 and is all-in, MP calls $3.10 and is all-in

              Spoiler:
              Results: $10.20 pot ($0.42 rake)
              Final Board: Q 3 K 3 4
              MP showed A J and won $9.78 ($5.09 net)
              Hero showed K A and lost (-$4.69 net)


              3. Should I 3b jam river once I block bet induce? Probs just a cooler

                Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                SB: $5.02 (100.4 bb)
                BB: $7.38 (147.6 bb)
                Hero (UTG): $11.32 (226.4 bb)
                MP: $7.26 (145.2 bb)
                CO: $6.16 (123.2 bb)
                BTN: $21.93 (438.6 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5 5
                Hero raises to $0.12, MP calls $0.12, 4 folds

                Flop: ($0.31) 7 K 5 (2 players)
                Hero bets $0.23, MP calls $0.23

                Turn: ($0.77) 7 (2 players)
                Hero bets $0.74, MP calls $0.74

                River: ($2.25) 3 (2 players)
                Hero bets $0.73, MP raises to $2, Hero raises to $10.23 and is all-in, MP calls $4.17 and is all-in

                Spoiler:
                Results: $14.59 pot ($0.61 rake)
                Final Board: 7 K 5 7 3
                Hero showed 5 5 and lost (-$7.26 net)
                MP showed 7 7 and won $13.98 ($6.72 net)
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                08-07-2022 , 11:39 AM
                H1: Standard calldown. He may have KQ or Q9s playing this same way. Dominating value is enough to justify, regardless of him bluffing enough (he doesnīt, but again, domination).

                H2: Too thin to barrel this multiway. You need to tighten up significantly in mwp. Same concept of being merged I pointed in your last HH's.

                H3: Definitely close river decision, if we think he flats 87s or 76s pre, might be ok. I'd rather bet bigger then call a raise than try to induce. KK or the quads seem better for that as they block more calls, than 55.
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                08-07-2022 , 03:07 PM
                Played some reg tables for fun this evening. I played poorly but still up a buyin over the 1k hands session. Just goes to show how soft reg tables are.

                1. Too thin?

                  Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                  Hero (SB): $9.30 (186 bb)
                  BB: $4.48 (89.6 bb)
                  UTG: $6.45 (129 bb)
                  MP: $5.12 (102.4 bb)
                  CO: $5 (100 bb)
                  BTN: $5 (100 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is SB with T A
                  3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.60, BB folds, BTN calls $0.45

                  Flop: ($1.25) 7 T 8 (2 players)
                  Hero bets $0.41, BTN calls $0.41

                  Turn: ($2.07) T (2 players)
                  Hero bets $1.05, BTN calls $1.05

                  River: ($4.17) J (2 players)
                  Hero bets $4, BTN calls $2.94 and is all-in

                  Spoiler:
                  Results: $10.05 pot ($0.42 rake)
                  Final Board: 7 T 8 T J
                  Hero showed T A and lost (-$5 net)
                  BTN showed J J and won $9.63 ($4.63 net)


                  2. Should I jam turn?

                    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                    SB: $5.61 (112.2 bb)
                    BB: $3.05 (61 bb)
                    UTG: $5 (100 bb)
                    MP: $5.13 (102.6 bb)
                    Hero (CO): $13.95 (279 bb)
                    BTN: $5.58 (111.6 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q T
                    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.50, BB folds, Hero calls $0.38

                    Flop: ($1.05) K 3 J (2 players)
                    SB bets $0.53, Hero calls $0.53

                    Turn: ($2.11) A (2 players)
                    SB bets $1.54, Hero calls $1.54

                    River: ($5.19) K (2 players)
                    SB bets $3.04 and is all-in, Hero folds

                    Spoiler:
                    Results: $5.19 pot ($0.22 rake)
                    Final Board: K 3 J A K
                    SB mucked and won $4.97 ($2.40 net)
                    Hero mucked Q T and lost (-$2.57 net)
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                    08-07-2022 , 04:18 PM
                    Quote:
                    Originally Posted by iliketurtles
                      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                      SB: $5.77 (115.4 bb)
                      BB: $22.45 (449 bb)
                      UTG: $8.08 (161.6 bb)
                      MP: $23.97 (479.4 bb)
                      CO: $4.57 (91.4 bb)
                      Hero (BTN): $16.27 (325.4 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q
                      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, SB folds, BB raises to $0.53, Hero calls $0.41

                      Flop: ($1.08) T J Q (2 players)
                      BB bets $0.52, Hero calls $0.52

                      Turn: ($2.12) 6 (2 players)
                      BB bets $1.01, Hero calls $1.01

                      River: ($4.14) Q (2 players)
                      BB bets $3.97, Hero calls $3.97

                      Spoiler:
                      Results: $12.08 pot ($0.50 rake)
                      Final Board: T J Q 6 Q
                      BB showed T T and won $11.58 ($5.55 net)
                      Hero mucked A Q and lost (-$6.03 net)
                      I'd consider shoving the river here. Most people never 3bet QJ/QT BB vs BTN, so they might be range folding.

                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by iliketurtles
                        Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                        Hero (SB): $9.30 (186 bb)
                        BB: $4.48 (89.6 bb)
                        UTG: $6.45 (129 bb)
                        MP: $5.12 (102.4 bb)
                        CO: $5 (100 bb)
                        BTN: $5 (100 bb)

                        Preflop: Hero is SB with T A
                        3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.60, BB folds, BTN calls $0.45

                        Flop: ($1.25) 7 T 8 (2 players)
                        Hero bets $0.41, BTN calls $0.41

                        Turn: ($2.07) T (2 players)
                        Hero bets $1.05, BTN calls $1.05

                        River: ($4.17) J (2 players)
                        Hero bets $4, BTN calls $2.94 and is all-in

                        Spoiler:
                        Results: $10.05 pot ($0.42 rake)
                        Final Board: 7 T 8 T J
                        Hero showed T A and lost (-$5 net)
                        BTN showed J J and won $9.63 ($4.63 net)
                        Seems too thin. I'd check and probably call it off. People tend to overbluff these spots.

                          Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                          SB: $5.61 (112.2 bb)
                          BB: $3.05 (61 bb)
                          UTG: $5 (100 bb)
                          MP: $5.13 (102.6 bb)
                          Hero (CO): $13.95 (279 bb)
                          BTN: $5.58 (111.6 bb)

                          Preflop: Hero is CO with Q T
                          2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.50, BB folds, Hero calls $0.38

                          Flop: ($1.05) K 3 J (2 players)
                          SB bets $0.53, Hero calls $0.53

                          Turn: ($2.11) A (2 players)
                          SB bets $1.54, Hero calls $1.54

                          River: ($5.19) K (2 players)
                          SB bets $3.04 and is all-in, Hero folds

                          Spoiler:
                          Results: $5.19 pot ($0.22 rake)
                          Final Board: K 3 J A K
                          SB mucked and won $4.97 ($2.40 net)
                          Hero mucked Q T and lost (-$2.57 net)

                          WP
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                          08-08-2022 , 09:15 AM
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                          Originally Posted by iliketurtles
                          W$WSF is around 45
                          This is low. I mean, it is true that you can be profitable with that wwsf, for instance, if you have a table full of agro recreationals, it is ok since you will have to x fold a lot.

                          That being said, in zoom that doesn't happen.

                          You need to stop thinking that people don't fold and don't bluff.
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                          08-08-2022 , 09:30 AM
                          Look, many people here with different opinions. Everyone well intentioned of course, and in micros and in every stake up until 1k you can beat the games with different styles. Table selection is super important of course, but that doesn't mean that nl10 zoom isn't beatable at 10bb/100 evbb, because it is.

                          You are feeling down and in doubt, and that's natural considering your results. And everyone here myself included makes it look very easy, but right now, for you, it isn't.

                          Some broader advice:

                          a) really, **** on the solvers. You are losing money by subscribing wizard, finding equilibrium etc. Don't get me wrong: foundational theory is always good and important, and those solvers are awesome and the people who work on them make an awesome job. But they are not for you at this part of your career. They, plain and simple, are the wrong tool for you right now.

                          b) You need to have a solid preflop strategy. I think you are on the right track by being generally tighter since you play a lot of rake and your post flop game is not very good.

                          c) call more, and to do that, protect your x range more often. Bu vs BB (reg), Axx, you bet 1/3, turn x, you can x back a bunch of Ax, but please, don't x back two pairs, sets and so on. Don't trap unless you have a very strong reason to do it. Don't deviate from your strategy unless you have a very strong reason. By very strong I mean fold QQ to a 4bet when the 4bet is a 9 8 1 preflop over 500 hands. Not if he folds to 3bet 70% or something over 250 hands.

                          d) stick to it. You really have to. And don't overcomplicate. Fazendeiro has said that you need to find the nodes (I disagree with him that people under bluff and my mda for those stakes showed the opposite to me; people under bluff with fancy plays, and you are bluff catching too much vs fancy overbets and river shoves probably, but you are not bluff catching enough vs delayed, float and probe, your went to showdown shows that). But that will only complicate your game and you will be a perfectionist. Just find a coherent and simple strategy and work from there. Get some coach who has experience with micro stakes or go to a stable like detox, educa, brpc or something.

                          People fold a lot and bluff a lot keep it in mind. But in small pots! don't level yourself otherwise.

                          Also stop trying to mimic solvers against recreationals or regs (everyone is a rec)
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