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11-06-2013 , 02:19 PM
GL
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11-06-2013 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
No man.

Lines are static and the only way to distinguish them is use outside variables. Ability to utilize these outside variables is what separates a good player from the crop.
That's not true. The hand I reviewed today I recognized a mistake just using line fundamentals. Not to add that villain limps good hands UTG and you shouldn't raise otf with a draw with out seeing how he reacts to the flop action.

If you limp pre you should be calling the flop a big percentage of the time especially when you have a draw. That's just basic line management.
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11-06-2013 , 04:20 PM
I think I may have to unsubscribe to keep my sanity.
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11-06-2013 , 04:43 PM
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I think I may have to unsubscribe to keep my sanity.
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11-06-2013 , 05:01 PM
Lol
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11-06-2013 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
My point is that player profiles can turn into a crutch that hinders your growth of recognizing lines as a whole. Plenty of llsnl players depend on player profile to commend their lines. Which is also a mistake. Standard lines and math(equity, odds etc..) first. Then you might use player profile last. But like I said llsnl is so straight forward and passive. You never have to get pass the fundamentals to ever make a decision.
I think I see what you are trying to say. I think you are trying to say that we should have a good handle on standard lines and the math first. Okay, I can agree with that.

However, once we have a good handle on the standard lines and math, we need to ascend to a higher level and put that into the context of the type of villains we face and table dynamics we encounter.


Hero is in MP with AA eff stacks 100bb. UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, Hero raises to 5bb, folds to BTN who 3-bets to 14bb, action folds to Hero, heads up, Hero???

What if BTN is:

A) ABC rec-fish
B) MUBsy rec-fish
C) Thinking player
D) LAG
E) TAG
F) Ego Maniac
G) OMC

Now, how does Hero's line change if Hero is perceived as a:

1) Loose aggro Donk
2) Winning Thinking Player
3) On Tilt
4) Scared money
5) Nit
6) ABC rec-fish

Our villain profile/tendency + our perceived image are fundamental components that should account for the lines we take. Now, what will end up happening is that there will be plenty of spots where everything sorta merges together and most of the lines we should take will be the same. however, the thing that separates winning players from players that absolutely destroy the game is the ability to figure out OPTIMAL lines based on the various factors and table dynamics we encounter.

Sometimes it will be correct to slow play and sometimes it will be correct to monkey shove with an offensive overbet and sometimes optimal line will be a standard re-raise line.... The determining factor will be our ability to properly assimilate villain profiles, our perceived image, and table dynamics and come up with an optimal line based on all those factors.

Basically, player profiles are extremely important as well as understanding our perceived image and the table dynamics and how all that works together...

Anyways, good luck with your challenge

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11-06-2013 , 07:25 PM
Thanks for understanding digi. It was just a thought and nothing is concrete in what I'm saying. I wouldn't be able to discount player tendencies in your example. I was just trying to focus on how I review llsnl HH's and how the player profile is always biased in some way. Despite that exact situation as in reviewing hh's online. I do not do that when playing. I will add player profile, and my perceived image and history to make a full decision. We should almost never discredit any variable in our decisions.
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11-06-2013 , 07:47 PM
GL dude, see you at 2014 November Nine
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11-06-2013 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
Since today is my birthday Im going to start my thread I always wanted. So why not now. I got some funds we starting off small. Won't say exact funds of my bankroll its just a blip on the radar for now.

For those of you who don't know me. I'm an early 30s poker player from california. Started playing after seeing the first November 9. So my career is still young. I'm a 2/5 ss buyin structure player. But I also play a homegame. Hopefully I can find some more. Definitely will help with the building. I have not had a good road so far. So hopefully this thread can bring me some luck. You guys can ask me anything and hopefully you guys can help me become a successful grinder. And yes its ok to say my lines or ideas are terrible or whatever. You don't become good in this game without tough skin. Hope to see you guys around and apart of my journey.

CaliPro
Good luck, happy birthday, let the trollololing begin!!!
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11-06-2013 , 07:53 PM
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GL dude, see you at 2014 November Nine
Thanks
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11-06-2013 , 07:55 PM
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Good luck, happy birthday, let the trollololing begin!!!
Thankyou
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11-06-2013 , 07:58 PM
First Zoltan of this thread!!!

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oh my. this is wonderful.

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So I'm sitting here blowin a blunt. Thinking about my in game strategy on bankroll management. I have always been the type to sit in a game and try to run it up. Instead of saying 30% of my roll is on the table so I need to leave. Just hard to do after winning a few pots and getting reads. Hit and running now is not in my sights. I'm trying to win all the monies on the table.

Do you think I should set a % of bankroll to get up. Or just go balls out every session?
As someone, who, like you, is also in bankroll-building mode (although I am still in "budget" mode is need be), this is absolutely the hardest thing to do. When I'm sitting there with $600 or $700 in front of me, that's half my roll. But you're at a GREAT table, and unless the dynamics change, it's SOOOO hard to walk away. This is the single biggest discipline issue in building a roll imo. The only way I see you doing any %age limit is to stick to your home game for the time being and bring 1 bi at a time.

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Originally Posted by dgiharris
I think I see what you are trying to say. I think you are trying to say that we should have a good handle on standard lines and the math first. Okay, I can agree with that.

However, once we have a good handle on the standard lines and math, we need to ascend to a higher level and put that into the context of the type of villains we face and table dynamics we encounter.

Anyways, good luck with your challenge

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I'm like a freaking kid on Christmas morning looking forward to the nuggets of wisdom dgi (hopefully) drops itt.

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11-06-2013 , 08:06 PM
The homegame will just be a run it up 1 buyin at a time. I know all the players so I have reads and can manage my stack easier.

At the casino is what I'm concerned with. I think I'm a decent enough player. Maybe first or second best player at anytable I ever been at. Which is a problem. And a reason why so many players including myself don't know what the best bankroll building strategy is.

Things would be easier if I was shot taking a higher level. Since I would be cautious of the players, aggression frequency and variance. So you play a little timid.

I just don't have that feeling anymore and it sucks. Because I'm inexperienced.
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11-06-2013 , 08:10 PM
Then def leave the table when you're up a buyin. Go for a walk, return in an hour and lock up your profit. You have forever to build a roll.
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11-06-2013 , 08:15 PM
I think I might try that. My last 2 shots at the casino. I went up 200% twice in one session. That could have been positive money. Even though I'm gonna look like a douche gotta do what I gotta do.
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11-06-2013 , 08:19 PM
I always thought, a black guy hitting and running coming back and forth all day would just look horrible.

But got to drop how I'm viewed while rat holing all day and night looks like.
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11-06-2013 , 08:28 PM
You need that BR more than anything else.

My last 200 hours have been insanely profitable because I have a new gig backing it up.

Felt liberated.
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11-06-2013 , 08:30 PM
Yeah, money first, haters last.
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11-06-2013 , 08:32 PM
Dickie, DHCG filed his court papers today and posted them on facebook. Has today's date with a hash tag saying ****Wells haha. He wants 5k damages and 50 million credit limit haha.

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11-06-2013 , 08:35 PM
No one is actually hating on you. You think anyone that disagree with you is hating.

Just so happens that most of the stuff you say is so off-base that most people simply cannot help but to disagree with you.
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11-06-2013 , 08:40 PM
I was referring to live regs dickie. Not you. You guys are not my haters.
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11-06-2013 , 10:29 PM
Watching Bulls vs Pacers. Pacers are really just better than bulls now. George is a premier player now.
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11-06-2013 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks

As for my bm, going to keep my finances hidden from her. Won't tell her about every dollar I make. Especially when I hit up the casino. Have not figured out how I'm going to hide the money. But ill figure it out hopefully sooner rather than later.
Haven't you watched the sopranos?

Subscribed btw. It's good for me to hit up this thread when I'm feeling anxious about my age to get started again live (I'm nearly 23), gotta not think about it.
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11-07-2013 , 12:17 AM
http://www.buffettsecrets.com/7-less...en-buffett.htm

Lmao his baby momma took his money haha. Yeah that's not gonna happen.
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11-07-2013 , 12:26 AM
Doing some research on online play. Just seen the software and some online play from 5nl. Seems like good practice games seem to be on the passive side.
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