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04-30-2021 , 12:03 AM
Yeah I don't use that tool should I take a look? In your opinion? I'm always down for free stuff haha.
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04-30-2021 , 08:08 AM
Yeah it's really good free info imo, think u can even analyse 5 postflop hands a day for free too, didn't use that yet tho
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04-30-2021 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Ceres
Quick Wizard question: how good/useful is the upload hands feature?
Pretty useful, shows you the action frequencies on each street for your conbo and then you can go to the full solution to see your range. I use it whenever I review hands.
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05-01-2021 , 04:35 AM
Ah I see, so it's not like you bung every played hand through it like Snowie.

Which makes sense. I was wondering the other day about what 10 years from now solvers will look like and the best I could come up with was that they'll be a cross between hand2note and a real-time solver that will analyse your whole database within a gto framework. Uploading hands for insta-gto analysis seems like a logical step forward.
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05-01-2021 , 04:46 AM
Wow 5 postflop hands per day is plenty for my current attention spam. Will start using it on my next review sesh.
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05-01-2021 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ceres
Ah I see, so it's not like you bung every played hand through it like Snowie.

Which makes sense. I was wondering the other day about what 10 years from now solvers will look like and the best I could come up with was that they'll be a cross between hand2note and a real-time solver that will analyse your whole database within a gto framework. Uploading hands for insta-gto analysis seems like a logical step forward.
They are planning that going forward. I think they plan to implement it so it will continuously upload from your database and analyze all your hands and provide reports on your leaks overall. I think this is a fair bit down the road for them as it seems like they have lots of reports, features and analysis they plan to add in the meantime.

Right now you can just upload individual hands, or a bunch of hands at once in a .txt file. I personally just do one at a time as I review them in the PT4 replayer.
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05-15-2021 , 01:58 PM
Villain out here soul reading me.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
Hero (SB): 113.08 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 363.24 BB
MP: 253.56 BB
CO: 100 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 8.8 BB, Hero calls 5.8 BB

Flop: (17.6 BB, 2 players) 6 5 7
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: (17.6 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 11 BB, BB calls 11 BB

River: (39.6 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 25 BB, BB calls 25 BB

Hero shows T J (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 40%, Flop 28%, Turn 23%)
BB shows K A (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 60%, Flop 72%, Turn 77%)
BB wins 85.56 BB

Month going solid at second shot at 25z. Have been hanging around breakeven, which is fine because of the RB challenge, the longer I can just BE at 25z the bigger my shot will grow with RB.

Pool is terrible, maybe more fish than 10z sometimes. Rake still remains the challenge but EPC helps.
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05-15-2021 , 08:45 PM
Superuser detected haha

Good to hear the pool is soft, I'm going to play at least 25k more hands at 16nl before moving up to 25z
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05-16-2021 , 10:50 AM
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Superuser detected haha

Good to hear the pool is soft, I'm going to play at least 25k more hands at 16nl before moving up to 25z
I just skipped 16z. I would if I were you, especially if you have EPCs.
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05-16-2021 , 08:39 PM
I think I am the king of sucking out on people, then getting coolered a bunch where it doesn't show in EV line, so it looks like I run like god but actually dont.
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05-17-2021 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TRUSTtheDRAWCESS
I just skipped 16z. I would if I were you, especially if you have EPCs.
What's an EPC?

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Originally Posted by TRUSTtheDRAWCESS
I think I am the king of sucking out on people, then getting coolered a bunch where it doesn't show in EV line, so it looks like I run like god but actually dont.
I'm the king of getting the money in good otf/ott and river goes check check and they hit their hand otr so ev line goes down even though I got all the money in good
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05-28-2021 , 09:37 PM
the fish at 25z sure like to cashout

good grief, its 17bb and you have 99.1% equity

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06-01-2021 , 05:07 PM
Hey guys, quick monthly wrap up.

This month went much better at 25z than last. I gave myself a 10BI shot, and luckily I stayed within that. I completed my exclusive poker challenge once, which added 3BI to the shot, and got another BI from the leaderboards promo.

I ran well to start the month, but played poorly at the very beginning. Then ran into a bit of "variance" but it wasn't that bad so it's hard to say whether it was my play or actually variance.



The pool doesn't feel much different than at 10z. Similarly, I feel that I can crush the pool, it's just beating the rake that is the issue. I recognize that at small winrates there is tons of variance, so I can't really say for sure either way.

Anyway, I'm going to keep grinding any play my best. I'm continuing to roll the rakeback from my EPC into making the shot bigger, so if I can play breakeven poker at this stake for another month or two my shot will get to 20-25BI so I can basically stay here permanently.

I still have lots to learn and much room to improve, but I've had some other responsibilities come up IRL, so I won't be able to dedicate as much time to studying. But, I'll see how this goes. I can probably still get a decent amount of study in if I manage my time better.
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06-06-2021 , 12:03 PM
Nothing worse than a cash-out and then they go on and win the hand.

Heartened by the continued fishiness of 25nlz and you're making me rethink bankroll strategy tbh Drawcess. If you're comfortable and you can make it work for you then all power to you. You're clearly not hiding your results and that's the most important thing. GL for June mate.
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07-03-2021 , 01:55 PM
What's up everyone,

Here with my June wrapup.

First the graphs. first graph is June 2021, all my volume, which was low, was at 25z. The second graph is my second shot at 25z which started at the beginning of May and continues.





My volume this month was very low. As I alluded to last month, I had some new responsibilities come up which is taken a lot of my free time. Specifically, I'm starting to study french for work again, as they paid for me to do training and I'm doing additional training on my own to try and progress faster. I'm trying to do at least 1hr a day, often more. My volume at the beginning of the month was very low as I was adjusting and figuring out how I was going to set up my schedule to include this french time. It's mostly coming out of the time I would have spent studying poker, and a little bit of my time playing.

I've managed to work that into my schedule now and I'm a bit more settled, so I'm hoping that I can consistently get 20k hands in each month (subject to EPC). Although my study time is going to take a hit.

Anyway, back to poker.

June was a frustrating month on the tables. I gave myself another 10BI shot at the beginning of May, and said I would roll any rakeback from exclusive poker challenges or anything else into the shot. As it stands my shot is currently at 17 BI, and very close to being 20 as I’m about to finish another exclusive poker challenge for three more BI today.

However, my 25z results continue to be poor, I can’t seem to figure out why. The pool is full of trash players, that I am obviously crushing if there is no rake, but I continue to not be able to beat them. I’m not sure why, as it seems that some of the days when I play in the early afternoon when the pool is biggest and softest, are the days I get run over the most, especially by fish.
I’m not sure if I’m struggling to exploit properly, but increasingly I get whacked by terrible players.

It feels to me like I’m just running bad, and it mostly feels like variance, especially outside my yellow line disparity, however as much is it feels like variance, I tell myself that it’s been 35,000 hands at the stake this shot, and it can’t just be a variance anymore. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong but it’s frustrating as some of the sessions that make me feel most confident about my game and ability to beat the stake are ones where I get crushed by a pool full of short stacking fish for 3-4 buyins.

I do feel quite confident in my game, and I feel like I’m playing well and thinking through spots. I’m not tilting, as my mental game has been quite strong, but yet I continually just seem to get run over. I’ve chatted with my friend who is also in the pool, and has reviewed some footage of my play, and he doesn’t find any obvious leaks. I really been thinking about my game and working hard to try and see where leaks are but I can’t just can’t seem to find them.

I think it might just be my redline though, which is frustrating as I can’t seem to consistently keep it flat. You can see my graph I can keep it flat for a few thousand hands of the time and then I’ll just have a couple sessions where it sinks rapidly. I’m trying to work on this and keep it flatter, or less than -5bb per 100 long-term. Though I’m convinced there must be something in my game because I can’t just blame variance over 35k hands, as this is a decent sample, that while it isn’t going to show a clear winrate, cant just be all variance.

Though I am convinced, that there’s no way I’m a losing player at 25z taking into consideration 40% EPC rakeback. I think this is proven true, as I have almost got 10BI rake back so far this shot, and I am only down 12BI this shot. Making me almost BE with RB.

Anyway, my plan this month is to hopefully get a solid 20k hands in (assuming I don’t lose another 8BI and bust my shot + RB sooner) and then really look hard in the mirror and evaluate whether I need to move back to 10z. It would be really frustrating for me to do so, as that would mean my EPCs are much harder to get there. At the end of this month, I’m going to really evaluate things based on my results and everything and make a decision. I’m hoping I get some sort of exploitative breakthrough, that allows me to be more successful against the fish of this stake. I feel like that’s been my main issue, while some of the regs area little better than 10z, the money is supposed to come from the fish and I haven’t really been able to take money off them consistently.

Regardless, I’m still enjoying the game and the challenge, and the process of improving and getting better is always enjoyable.
I may upload some footage of my play, so if anyone would be interested in reviewing it, and giving me thoughts please let me know.

July goals:
20k hands
Show a profit at 25z
23/20/8 3b, 2.2AF
Redline loss no worse than -5bb/100
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07-03-2021 , 02:44 PM
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I’m hoping I get some sort of exploitative breakthrough, that allows me to be more successful against the fish of this stake. I feel like that’s been my main issue, while some of the regs area little better than 10z, the money is supposed to come from the fish and I haven’t really been able to take money off them consistently.
something I would pay a lot more attention to is your performance throughout the session. Or quality of play. However you’d like to think about it

“Mental game” gets thrown around a lot- tilt/tilt control is a very small part of the equation. just scratching the surface.

Not sure what you currently do pre/post/during sessions, but that should help move the needle for your results most efficiently rn

GL sir!

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07-03-2021 , 03:52 PM
tbf 35k hands is more or less nothing man, edges in zoom are pretty thin as it is. Like with the volume you put in, you could easily break even for months. I'm sure there are some spots where you're bleeding like we all are, but I'm entirely positive that you're +EV in whatever games you're playing in

Like RTP alluded to, the hardest part of poker is always "weathering the storm" so to speak, especially with zoom games. The variance is amplified, and if you're not able to maintain a strong mindset, then you're just hurting your bottom line

Best of luck for July man, keep it up. We both know you're a winner in those games, so it's just a matter of continuing to press forward unwaveringly
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07-03-2021 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
something I would pay a lot more attention to is your performance throughout the session. Or quality of play. However you’d like to think about it

“Mental game” gets thrown around a lot- tilt/tilt control is a very small part of the equation. just scratching the surface.

Not sure what you currently do pre/post/during sessions, but that should help move the needle for your results most efficiently rn

GL sir!

Yeah no, definitely something worth reconsidering.

I went through Elliot Roes A game poker masterclass mid 2020 and I follow that. I do his presession routine (including meditating) and then take breaks every 45 minutes. I do the A game audit. Im very aware now of when I start to talk or think negatively in game and try to be cognizant so Im aware of if that is impacting my game.

Then I follow his postsession routine.

Overall I feel it has helped a ton and my mental game is in a solid spot.
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07-03-2021 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
tbf 35k hands is more or less nothing man, edges in zoom are pretty thin as it is. Like with the volume you put in, you could easily break even for months. I'm sure there are some spots where you're bleeding like we all are, but I'm entirely positive that you're +EV in whatever games you're playing in

Like RTP alluded to, the hardest part of poker is always "weathering the storm" so to speak, especially with zoom games. The variance is amplified, and if you're not able to maintain a strong mindset, then you're just hurting your bottom line

Best of luck for July man, keep it up. We both know you're a winner in those games, so it's just a matter of continuing to press forward unwaveringly
Thanks man! Appreciate it! Hoping to get atleast 20k hands in this month. Maybe 25k.
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07-04-2021 , 03:38 AM
Be happy to review any footage Drawcess. We probably have similar skills though I doubt we have identical games.

Whitemares spot on about the 35k. I was down 13BIs after 45k @ 10nlz, but I'm back in the green now. Zoom is like a marathon in slow motion. Easier when you can blast 5k hands a day and sprint through the variance. But much tougher mentally when you only have time for smaller leaps and are forced to dwell in the troughs, wondering what the score is.

Edit: Catch 22 really. Play like a madman and sacrifice EV or play like a snail and enjoy the soothing raw pain of chaos.

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08-08-2021 , 08:52 PM
What's up guys, here with the short and late update for July.

Sorry for any weird mistakes, verb tenses or incorrect words, I'm dictating with Dragon and often mis mistakes when I proofread it.

Unfortunately things at 25zoom overall continued to be quite poor for me in July. I continued to get smashed at 25z. I felt like I was overall playing relatively decent, except I did feel like I was struggling in some spots against fish, often value owning myself by going for max value with hands that were too weak and then consequentially also not going for enough value with hands that were strong enough. I felt like overall I ran relatively poor, and it was frustrating because many of the sessions where I lost most were the ones where I felt the most confident. I probably had 5 sessions where I lost 2-4 buyins and came away feeling more confident at this stake than ever. Unfortunately in addition to not running spectacularly overall, I had a bit of a more pronounced downswing right at the end, when I decided to move back to 10z zoom for the month.

In hindsight, while I'm planning on reviewing most of the big hands this month, I do feel like I ran poorly, but there is probably some tilt and poor play overall. One spot that I know was tilt, and was maybe the most frustrating hand I've ever played, was because I had just won a big pot and got to 175bb deep on one table. I have starscaption set to immediately sit me out the next hand when I'm over 150 big blinds deep, but it decided not to, and I immediately got dealt KK, and ran into one of the best regs in the pool, who turn a set with JJ and stacked me when he had me covered. While it was a standard 2 outer OTT, the fact that I of course had to get KK the one time caption decides not to sit me out immediately and then I get 2 outed and tilt call 125bb behind on the turn drove me bonkers.

My second shot since May 1, was for 10BI, but I rolled my rake back from the exclusive poker challenge into it, so I effectively stayed within the shot.

Anyway, here are the graphs for 25z. The first is the entire second shot since May 1, and the second is just July only.





Anyway, after that I decided to move down to 10z to finish July. Unfortunately, I continued to run like hell there, and just increasingly got frustrated. Although admittedly the sample size of hands is not even 4K, so there isn't much to be said there, but it was just very frustrating to just continually get smashed. During the last several sessions here, I felt like my mindset really started to turn, and while I felt like I was playing decently overall and not on obvious brain-dead monkey tilt, I could definitely feel that I was just getting frustrated, and was starting to have that "let's see how much I'm going to lose today" mindset when I logged on. During the last session, there was definitely a couple tilt hands.

10z in july:



Overall though, I was relatively happy with my mindset and mental game throughout this run bad/downswing/extended period of realizing I am likely not winning at 25z. Until the end, I felt like my mental game was relatively resilient, and the vast majority of days I felt like I had no hands that I would obviously classify as tilt and I was making solid decisions. I also felt like I was relatively good at letting coolers pass by and continuing the session fine. I am relatively aware of what I can feel those tilt emotions arising after a tough spot or cooler, and I feel like I feel those emotions less and less often these days, and when I do feel them I can better control them to ensure that I am not making decisions with them. However, as I've noted there were a few tilt decisions.

Anyway, after starting 10z running like hell and continuing to get smashed, I decided just to take a break from zoom and go back to 10 regular tables. Finally, my luck turned, and I hit some run good (though admittedly it doesn't really feel like I'm running well, but rather that the pool is just so bad that it's just easier to crush). Finally all that time studying and improving in the tough zoom pools paid off, and I've been crushing the 10nl regular tables thus far.

This is my graph at the 10 reg table so far, it's all in July except for about the last 1000 hands, which are this month:



It's very weird, as I'm playing 10nl without much of a plan or play style. My only real goal has been to work on exploiting the fish, and study their hud indicators and see what they showdown, to try and understand the individual mistakes each fish are making. I'm trying not to play the same against everyone, but rather think about how different types of fish (25/5 fish, 50/40 whales) are playing, and how I can adjust how I play against each specific player to maximally exploit them.

Ironically, my redline is doing relatively well here, which is funny because at regular tables so far, I don't really have any statistical targets or goals, I'm just playing. I think so far here I have like 6% 3b and 4% flop xr. Meanwhile at zoom my goal was always to have a relatively flat or slowly declining red line, which was always something I struggled with. I also wanted high three bet and general aggression stats in the zoom pools, which was challenging.

Anyway, my goal for August is really just to play very little poker and take a break from the game. I feel as though I have been basically grinding 5-7 days a week since Covid 19 Started in March 2021. Things are finally relatively open (though no live poker yet sadly) in Ontario in the last half month or so, and I'm hoping to use what's left of the nice weather to get out golfing and see some friends.

While I'm fully vaccinated, I suspect that we will see more lockdowns in the fall, which will probably mean a return to being stuck at home and grinding. So I'm trying to get outside and enjoy nice weather while I can.

My only goal for August are:
- 5k-15k hands.
- Get outside and do some non-poker things

Going forward after August, my plan is to continue on the regular tables for a little while. If continue to post 10bb+ in August, even over the small sample, I will probably move up to 25nl regular tables to start September.

As I'm learning French for work, I'm spending 1-3 hours a day on that, and consequently have less time for studying and playing poker. As such I will probably stick to regular tables for a couple months, and grind more casually with less study and less serious intent on improvement. However, my overall goal and personal metric remains to beat 25z. While it might be a while before I get back on the zoom tables, I do intend to see at that goal to completion.

I also intend to get into live whenever it reopens, but given how things are going here, I wouldn't be surprised if we were into 2023 or 2024 before casinos officially reopen the poker rooms here.

Also, shout out to Ceres for helping me get voiceattack set up, so I can keep grinding without using my wrists, as they have gotten quite flared up recently.

That's all for me for now.

Any thoughts insight or advice is appreciated.

Last edited by TRUSTtheDRAWCESS; 08-08-2021 at 08:57 PM.
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08-08-2021 , 11:38 PM
Can you play entirely using your voice (ie no keyboard/mouse) using VoiceAttack? Would be a game changer tbh

Gl with your goals
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08-09-2021 , 09:02 AM
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Can you play entirely using your voice (ie no keyboard/mouse) using VoiceAttack? Would be a game changer tbh

Gl with your goals
Yes it's totally possible, I was making all the decisions yesterday with only my voice.

It gets a bit tricky for opening and closing tables when you're playing regular tables, and I was doing that with the mouse, but with some patience I'm pretty sure that could be done with voice attack.
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08-09-2021 , 11:44 AM
Bonne remontée sur la fin du mois avec les tables normales! Profites du beau temps, et reviens prêt à battre 25nl.
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08-09-2021 , 02:18 PM
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Bonne remontée sur la fin du mois avec les tables normales! Profites du beau temps, et reviens prêt à battre 25nl.
Merci beaucoup! Je ne savais pas que tu parle français.

Je trouve les tables normales trop facile comparer les zoom.
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