FR is btter at the micros imo, but for volume/rakeback, if you can manage a small WR and grind a **** tonne then 6max is better. Depends on your goals tho/what you need the money for.

can confirm. a LOT of MEGA fish


PokerStars - $0.05 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG+1: $11.50
Hero (MP): $12.57
MP+1: $12.50
LP: $5.56
CO: $6.60
BTN: $5.78
SB: $11.12
BB: $5.07
UTG: $12.50

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has A A

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.67, 2 players) 8 7 J
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.55, UTG+1 raises to $11.20 and is all-in, Hero calls $10.65

Turn: ($23.07, 2 players) 6

River: ($23.07, 2 players) 3

UTG+1 shows 2 J (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 15%, Flop 22%, Turn 11%)
Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 85%, Flop 78%, Turn 89%)
Hero wins $21.92

thx sir

i still want most of my profit to come from the actual play. not gonna end up as a rakeback grinder playing 12/10 or something however i prefer having as little variance as possible in my profits and so far i think fullring is the way to go for me. will see though i probbaly will gt back to sixmax at some point

update#27

hands: 8399
profit: $49

first session done. played decent apart from maybe 40 min where i started autopiloting and playing suboptimally. realized it, took a break and booked a very nice win. guess when the break happened



gonna take another break eat soe then keep gong at least another 5k hands.

lots of interestig hands happened gonna post tomorro i think.

br: $559

Great job man, looks like u are recover all, i am geting my motivation back after a huge swing + bad plays.
Following ur 100k hands challenge, GL!

yeah the stupid nl10 downer is long forgotten

thx bro and gl with rostucko-ing urself too!

uptate#28

no real heater but i flopped sets,boats, straights quads and flushes nonstop

okay i didnt put in the 5k as i am really tired. for some random reason i woke up at 6 am today after falling asleew around 1am. which is like 4 h less sleep than usual. good thing is that i got up before 4 pm tho

anyways, really happy with my play but short on volume so gonna try and put in about 16k hands tomorrow to remain on pace.

hands today: 11582
profit: $67
VPPs: 4787 (+317)

graph:



br: $577

also, i think my first volume goal ive just completed. 104k hands so far this month

jesus christ
how many hours?

You can get around 1500/hr 24 tabling fr.

You are shooting yourself in the foot by not moving up in stakes...

i only started 24tbling like 4 days ago or so 108 hours played so far this month so hourly sucks but in fullrign i have been making $8.5/hour so far over 54k hands. 1350 hands/hour here so far so i guess i m not that sick a machine as lazy yet haha

may look that way but i personally dont want to be sitting with 50% of my bankroll on my tables. it would bother me and cause a decrease in my overall level of play. so thinking longterm, i think this is more +EV. i think i ll just look how i get along with the platinum star pursuit and moe up 2-3 days before the end if i need a bppst in vpp/hand or something. defs moving up on feb 1st tho i promise!

also, i just started playing a coupl days ago. dont ant to prematurely declare this levl beaten then get crushed when moving up. then again i am 30 BI below ev so i guess i am beating it nicely

update#29

first bunch done for the day. looks like i was playig a bit too aggro at first (redlinemonkey?) then played solid for the rest. break. eat. repeat after that for another 5k hands but this time for real. hopefully more. my goal for today still is about 15-16k hands so we ll see



hands: 8364
profit: $85!! (50$ stellar woop woop)
br: $662
5032 VPPs

i made the most ridiculous fold of my whole life today and surprisingly i am feeling great about it. this was a very special situation and i would NEVER consider folding KK preflop unless this EXACT scenario comes up.

initial raiser was a nit. 13/9 or something like that.

3bettor was the tightest player i have ever come across. plays 9/7 with 2.1% 3bet over a large sample of almost 2000 hands. now i am faced with a fairly easy decision given that i am out of position. i dont want the first raiser to tag along and flop a set on me so i obv 4b for value against a fairly strong range that i am crushing (AA, AK, KK, QQ)
now the tricky thing happens which i am very certain has allowed me to save a full stack. this particular villain will flat QQ ALWAYS. he will flat AK ALWAYS as well. he never stacks off preflop with anything but AA and KK, this i am 10000000% sure of. and since thre is only one KK combo left but 6 AA i think this becomes a fold.

i am very confident in my reads here but i know that nobody will agree on this on first glance. however, even if we add all AKs combos, I am crushed by his range. and only flipping if he sticks it in with all of those anna kurnikovas which he DOESN'T!

anyways, ill post the proof and let the flaming begin:


PokerStars - $0.05 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $3.66
UTG+1: $1.98
MP: $4.21
MP+1: $2.42
LP: $8.72
CO: $2.48
BTN: $6.34
Hero (SB): $12.45
BB: $5.00

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has K K

fold, fold, MP raises to $0.12, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.43, Hero raises to $1.20, fold, fold, BTN raises to $3.00, fold

BTN wins $2.57

24 tabling is pretty crazy
just my 2cents- http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...tions-1154069/

Nice post, but everybody is different. Some people can handle it a lot better than others, the same as some people are stronger or faster.

FWIW, I worked up to 24 tables rather gradually. I used to play original Starcraft pretty hardcore and was pretty good at it for a few years. You could argue that micro managing all those units and buildings and fighting battles on multiple fronts requires a similar skill set to mass multi tabling poker.

Its definitely much more important to study poker outside of your sessions though. Helps me to internalize different things. The human brain is an amazing tool that is vastly underused by most people and is quite good at recognizing patterns.

I would say that the vast majority of my decisions during sessions are good ones, and they require very little thinking time for me because I've been in the same spot so many times.

While, I do agree that everyone is different- some are smarter, some adapt faster, some are naturally more talented in sports, there something to be said about a line to be drawn. Despite the graphs I posted, I have had successful runs at playing around 15-20 tables but just not as profitable as the lower amount of tables over the same course of sample size, not hours.

I used to play warcraft/starcraft too.. you name it, guess its an asian thing. All joking aside, if your going to use micro managing as a point of reference id like to comment on it; I agree with you to a certain extent. I agree that it is similar in terms of playing multi tables in poker but not for the same reasons as you. I believe alike in playing mass tables, you have to make some mini sacrifices within micro management and macro management. Sometimes you will be micro managing at a higher level b/c your opponent is better so you have to sacrifice producing some units. When playing alot of tables if you focus on a few big pots or pots against good opponents you might time out on others or make a irrational decision or maybe a speculative decision on other tables.

update#30

today i broke pretty much all of my personal records:

- most hands played in a single day: 15010
- most profit in buyins: 20 (30 if the stellar reward is included)
- most net profit playing cash games: $149
- most beautiful single day graph



i really feel like i am playing my A+ game at the moment. really looking forward to completing this challenge ! thx everybody for following this is crazy

br: $726

EV & Lazy: i m too braindead to join your discussion now but i will add my two cents before starting the grind tomorrow!

I understand what you are saying. I do believe that for most people you will have a higher bb/100 the fewer tables you play. Its definitely true in theory but in practice some people might play too impatiently on 1-2 tables and their win rate suffers as a result. There is definitely a sweet spot to be found, but really I'm pretty sure that sweet spot for me is somewhere between 18-24 tables.

There is a school of thought that believes we (humans) are almost always better off trusting our first instincts because we rarely improve our conclusions when giving things more thought. This is mostly true where you have amassed a lot of experience in the situation you are in. If it is a brand new experience ( ie new to poker or starcraft or w/e) then you won't have that instinct to draw on in helping you to come with an accurate first impression.

There is a book written on this subject, and refers to the process as thin-slicing. It's titled 'Blink' and is written by Malcolm Gladwell. It was a great read and explains a lot of things going on in my head while grinding a session.

I could post hands where each decision was made in 2 seconds or less, but provide a paragraph or two on why I made each decision.

i d agree with EV to some extent. (i probably am not qualified enough to discuss micro/macro managing but) i obv focus less on things such as gameflow, bet sizing or other betting or timing tendencies that opponents may have which probably does decrease my overall winrate by a few points. however i play 3 times as many hands in the same timeframe and therefore am making at least 2x as much money. if thats what u mean by micro/macro you are right and this has been talked about plenty most famously so by dusty schmidt in his book 'treat your poker like a business'. i m happy to do this as my bottom line will thank me.

however i must say that at the moment at nanoNL i dont think i am missing much at all as its really easy to pull aside one or two tables where i anticipate some impronatn actions so that i can have a look at the timing/sizing etcetc while clicking away making very easy decisions. i think it is much more important to be able to assess ranges in as little time as possible though before maxing out the table number. once this becomes second nature i think adding tables will make the most profits to almost everybody.

i think my development over the last days can even be witnessed in my graph. i was not sure on what villains were checkraising the river with, what a turn overbetshove meant etc etc. hence the rather big swings in the blue line. since then my hand reaing has improved a lot and the 'meh i cant fold that ever, i call. WTF?!?!?!? TIIIILT'-moments have disappeared pretty much

+1 on this for sure! i think i wil lget that book but even having not read it i know exactly what u mean. its all about experience.

the onlything that i might disagree with is less tables= impatience. its all a discipline thing really.

nice graph
gl man

thank you sir