Sick man, i am around 13b, droped $100 in this last 3 days and it could be worst. Every time i cry about EV things get worst so now on no more cry lest just hope for a good run.

We well catch this!

lol it makes me wanna play FR

Yeeah it's actually crazy how bad the regs are. There was one today who had not called a 3b by me or anyone for that matter over 1500 hands or
So. 4b%=2 or less. They are just giving away their money

update#24

alright so i took a day off yesterday and played one shortish session today. won some and ran well in the hypers to get the br up to $420
i think i will up the volume during the next week to try and reach platinum. vpp count is at pretty much exactly 4k so i need to get 500 vpp/day to do that. i still remember that i used to get in about 200 vpp per 3k hands at nl10 so it will be a sick grind at nl5 fullring but i think this is the fastest way for me at least to grind up a decent roll to then try and improve my overall game at higher stakes. i think i m still going to be playing the hypers though as i really like the return i ve been able to get in them.

one more important thing though: taking breaks. grinding long hours is tough on the eyes which in turn decreases the uality of my overall play so from now on i will be taking a 10 min break every two hours during which i will not look at anything that is bright. i have also noticed that after each and every break i seem to be winning the most while the sessions during which i play nonstop have been the worst ones.

unfortunately i think i will have to cash out some during the next few days but i am confident that i will hit $2k by the end of february!
lets do this!!!

and gl to all my fellow grinders who seem to have had a similarly rough week.

hands today: 4044
profit: $57 with 2 stellars and a satty

graph today:

no explanation needed

Stop the EV crying and u will run hot again trust me ^^.
When u planing to play NL10 again? 45 or 50 bi?

haha you sure bout that?

will try to just not look at any graphs during the sessions but its annoying annyhow

uhh not sure i dont really want to move down again so i might play at nl5 a bit longer until $550-$600 or so. cuz i think i will keep playing a lot of tables at nl10 and sitting on tables with half my roll would kinda suck

you just playing FR now?
nits gonna nit

I doubt he's playing all that nitty considering his flattish redline. All nits have redlines going steadily downward, especially at 5nl fr.

not inferring he is a nit but rather FR is known to have a ton of nitty players just set mining and playing extremely straightfoward.

only fullring for now yes. i think compared to sixmax my hourly here is definitely higher given the volume i am able to put in here.
i dint consider myself a nit here though. i have been playing 21/17 6% 3bet so far which i think is a laggier tag style at least compared to the regs. dont think there is a need to play looser except for tables full of fish.

update#25

played decent volume today and managed to profit a bit before getting coolered in two big pots against regs to drop 4 buyins. still happy with my play though. gonna look for some hands now

hands: 10157
profit: $21



br: $451

this was against a nit reg. i felt like he had a Queen there like 90% of the time, the rest being missed draws and weakish hands that i wont get any more money from anyways. perfect spot to checkshove. the way he played the hand there is also no way he has a boat here

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $12.50
UTG: $2.32
UTG+1: $9.56
MP: $5.00
MP+1: $1.93
Hero (LP): $17.98
CO: $11.14
BTN: $4.97
SB: $9.61

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has T J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, BTN calls $0.15, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) Q 9 8
Hero bets $0.25, BTN calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.87, 2 players) 5
Hero bets $0.60, BTN calls $0.60

River: ($2.07, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.95, Hero raises to $16.98 and is all-in, BTN calls $3.02 and is all-in

Hero shows T J (Straight, Queen High) (Pre 35%, Flop 92%, Turn 100%)
BTN mucks Q A (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 65%, Flop 8%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $9.52

"Nitty" is relative to the amount of players at the table though, and I think that a lot of 6max players incorrectly assume that FR is anymore infested with nits than 6max is.

If you take 100vpip, and divide it by the number of players at the table, you arrive at a number which most people would agree on would be 'nitty'.

At a 9 player table, this number is 11vpip. There definitely are a lot of these guys at 5nl, but even at 10nl, the days are gone where these guys can beat the game and move up. The better regs at any micro FR level are usually running around 15/12 or so though many are looser, when you think about it is almost 50% looser than the base line of nittiness of 11 for FR.

At 6max your uber nit is going to run around 16vpip. Players running 16-19 vpip at 6max
are much much nittier than the 15/12 guys at FR relative to the number of players at the table. In order for them to be equivalent to the 15/12 guys they need to be running with stats like 23/20 or so.

Then you have guys like me running between 20 and 24 vpip while 24 tabling full ring which makes anybody who plays less than 35vpip at 6max look like they're just scared.

I haven't played 5NL fullring in a long time so I don't know how straight forward they are post flop. At 10NL however, you have a lot of players floating, check raising as bluffs, light 3bet/4betting etc. That doesn't mean that they're good at doing it. I think most 6max regs are probably better on average than their fullring counterparts due to playing wider ranges and getting more experience in more marginal spots, but the days of being able to profit enough to beat the rake and make up for the blinds by purely setmining and getting it in pre with KK+ are definitely gone, at least until something really good happens to poker.

That is probably the main reason I choose to play FR instead of 6max though. The regs are definitely easier to beat and will get out of your way more often so that you can isolate fish and the fish are easier to identify quicker because there is a much bigger gap in vpip between regs at FR and fish that don't really play either format any differently -ie they still limp/call/raise all the same hands that they would if they were playing 6max.

I didn't mean to write an essay here, and don't mean to come off as wanting to argue but just my thoughts might be useful info for the OP if he is considering staying at FR.

thx for the reply ace, i will give my thoughts after i take a break and eat something

wow you took that quote straight from a strategy book didnt you its true though the 15/12 'nits' are right on par with the 20/16 'regs' at sixmax. this is probably just caused by the first 3 positions in fr in which the 'nits' only raise pairs (probably 66+) and AK, bringing their overall average vpip/pfr down. they are a lot easyer to outplay though since their hands more often than not are very faceup which is a deathly sin at sixmax. (my biggest leak is not realizing that and paying off in spots where i obv shouldnt. gonna work on that)
as for tricky plays, well, there are a few guys who do that regularly at 5nl but more often than not they fold to 3bets 80-90% of the time and when they dont they have JJ+, AK pretty much always. they usually dont even 4bet those. the few regs that do have a 4bet in their arsenal are bluffing way too often and folding to shoves quite a bit but i have to tone that down a bit

there actually is such a thing as a boomswitch

update#26

played my biggest volume day ever todayand made the most profit since the start of this thread. really happy with my play, made some god laydowns along the way and finally managed to run decent during my last session of the day.

comeback in the making weeee

hands: 13215
profit: $90
br: $510

that was vs a couple of limping fish. i thought given the stack sizes a crai would work decent but then with this crazy action and the caller being a semitight shortstacker i thought a call was -EV and folden. screw me. bet/call better here? i was totally lost here

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $1.93
UTG+1: $2.33
MP: $4.60
MP+1: $6.17
LP: $2.35
CO: $2.88
BTN: $2.10
SB: $2.30
Hero (BB): $5.00

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has A K

fold, fold, fold, fold, LP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, LP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.92, 3 players) A T J
Hero checks, LP bets $2.05 and is all-in, CO raises to $2.58 and is all-in, fold

Turn: ($5.02, 2 players) 3

River: ($5.02, 2 players) 3

hahaha not bad sir

heres one that i turned into a very decent bluff vs a nitty reg:


PokerStars - $0.05 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP+1: $5.00
CO: $3.06
BTN: $2.00
SB: $5.63
BB: $12.71
Hero (UTG): $20.37
UTG+1: $5.00
MP: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has A K

Hero raises to $0.20, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.22, 2 players) 6 5 4
BB bets $0.95, Hero raises to $2.75, BB calls $1.80

Turn: ($6.72, 2 players) 8
BB checks, Hero bets $3.30, fold

Hero wins $6.39

i think he has to fold his JJ+ range pretty much always given the action
i think i could have sized it smaller in order to make a river shove better and i was debating on weather or not to go for a threebarrel or bluff bigger ott and give up but i think both lins will work exceptionally well given the board texture and his and my perceived ranges

and the biggest pot from my grind yesterday. pretty standard at first sight but i though about it afterwards and i am not too sure. the initial raiser was a 50/15 fish or in that range anyways hence my bigger than normal 3bet (ft3b 20% or so over a threefigure sample) than the flatcaller is what i am concerned about here. he is a taggy nitty guy, no special tendencies or reads. so its fair to assume he has a range of TT+, AQs maybe and AK. then the fish 4bets. and i jizz in my pants. now i obv want to get as much money as possible here and i know the fish has QQ+, AK here 100% of the time hence he will stack off pre pretty much always. but what if i call? the sb will almost certainly call as well and most flops will not be very scary for either since i block two aces and most likely at least one king is out there so a scary overcard flop for is fairly unlikeky. the will almost certainly bomb the flop unless he missed it with his AK and if i flat the bb will at least call one street or even shove which would cause a huge pot with me dominating two underpairs for a 700bb pot. not sure if this is optimistic since AK will not put a lot of money in postflop though so i simply jammed knowing the fish will stack off and ship me his manies


PokerStars - $0.05 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $6.64
MP+1: $11.95
Hero (LP): $17.70
CO: $5.26
BTN: $2.12
SB: $12.70
BB: $13.42
UTG: $13.48
UTG+1: $8.07

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has A A

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.55, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.50, MP+1 raises to $1.90, Hero raises to $17.70 and is all-in, fold, MP+1 calls $10.05 and is all-in

Flop: ($24.47, 2 players) T 3 5

Turn: ($24.47, 2 players) 2

River: ($24.47, 2 players) J

MP+1 shows K K (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins $23.25

alright i decided to make a huge volume challenge for the rest of january. after doing some calculations i will have to play approx. 95k hands of nl5 fr by jan 31st midnight to get to platinum star and a couple thousand more than that to score a $100 bonus on top of that. so this is approximately 13.5k hands every day for a week unless i move up which i might not be able to due to cashouts i will have to make.
gonna make a little PG&C thread for this week to get a little rail going
lets gogogogoooooo

That would be sick. Gl with that.

In that AA vs KK hand I think shoving is the best way to go because 50/15 fish is not usually 4bet/folding but they might 4bet pre then bet fold the flop if its scary.

BB might have JJ/QQ or AQ/AAK but seriously doubt he has KK+ since he just cold calls, but being this deep he can easily be doing that with small PP's to setmine against somebody's AA.

If you just flat the 4bet to get BB to come along you win that extra $1.50 sometimes ( he won't always flat the 4bet here if he realizes he can't setmine profitably), and often times you risk losing MP's stack on the flop cuz its multiway and overcards to his pear, or he has something AK, AQ, KQ, AJ and misses.

thx man

Talking to my highstakes friends, 9max is the way to go these days. GL with that **** looks like alot of mega fish