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01-31-2013 , 08:05 PM
@ plastic elephant: you are Q6s right?

thx for the replies guys, interesting stuff.

h1:

I kinda see the point of plastic wrt the 3bet pre being not the greatest thing in the world. i guess i can flat it but it s not exactly the best hand to take postflop without initiative i dont think. i flat 97s and 68s here but T6s seems pretty meh and i know the 3b by itself shows a profit vs this guy so i dont think 3betting him is a leak and surely not a big one. as played i obv cbet the flop while I assume thet most of his range is middle heavy like middling SCs, middling pairs etc. villain is the type that i expect to get stacks in as wide as 99/TT+ pre and either 4b/f or outright fold small PP so the only PP he probly has here are like... 66/77/88? with many JTs ATo type hands as well. so when he checkraises i rly think he s just going for a cheap rebluff trying to look stronger but given his range i rly dont think he has anything better than weak twopair here and even that is probably calling much more than checkraising. while it is possible that he is slowplaying KK+ or even QQ+ (really doubtful) again i think he doesnt checkraise them small much but is gonna keep slowplaying them so i think he s FOS and so i decide to float and jam turn bricks, bricks being anything up to and including a T. i think if i actually hit a boat the same thing applies that i put him on an airy range that is pretty unlikely to jam rivers unimproved. I do think he fires a second barrel in hopes of folding out Ahi but firing three seems pretty unlikely. so turn jam on a T would in a sense be a valuebet and i expect him to just betfold lots and lots of his flop spazz overcards on any 2, 3 , 4, 5, 6, 7 ,8 ,9, T which is most of the deck rly. obv if he actually has some pair he s pretty likely to call (maybe even not that cuz a bluff here would be suicidal by me no?) but i think the majority of his range is better air than mine.

Spoiler:
, SB folds


h2:

i think when villain checks the flop he has one of three things:

QQ+ going for a trap
A2+ going for a checkfold
small PP going for a checkfold

So i do see some merit in betting flop. however i think small PP that are checkfolding flop are just as well checkfolding turn so i dont lose out on anything in that regard. the Ax part of his range i got heavily crushed so i dont lose out in that regard. so basically a flop stab kills me while not really gaining me much while when i check i rep some kind of sdv so maybe i even gain more credit. also if an A or K peels off i m likely to get tons of bluffvalue from him as well as me having the nut backdoor so i think flop check is fine. when he checks both flop and turn i really think we can start heavily discounting the value portion of his range as not only is JJ+ pretty ikely to continue on the flop, it also is very likely to bet the turn when i check behind the flop so i think most of his range is now airy Ax (maybe some KQ maybe not) small PP and lets say a few combos of overpairs ( i count JJ as an overpair in this context of which it is the most likely to take this line) so i basically bet as a bluff vs small PP as well as thin value vs AQ mainly. i think his turn checkcontinuing range is mostly AQ that now turned a doublegutter so while i fold out 22 type hands i stand to get some action from AQ.

now when he checkraises i think his range literally narrows down to lolspazz with Ax/PP or JJ. i think QQ-AA is incredibly unlikely to a) check flop b) not checkcall turn given that i actually could have TT or JJ here. i think he is tons more likely to just flatout valuebet them on one of those streets. so i think I crush the most likely spazz part of his range (AQ) and am drawing live vs JJ and he has many many more spazzy hands in his range than actual value hands to take this line so i call looking to call on any river other than K and 9.

Spoiler:

Final Pot: $55.86
Hero shows A K (a pair of Fives - Ace+King kicker)
BB shows 4 A (a pair of Fives)
Hero wins $54.86
(Rake: $1.00)
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01-31-2013 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Craigster1
Nice to see someone else moving away from the ZOOM tables too, decided myself that i would go back to normal tables, was doing 6max only 6tabling and i can run a HUD, makes you realise just how easy the games are when playing so few tables and being able to take advantage of all the small pots you can steal.

But im 24tabling FR now, i also think there is more money to be made than at ZOOM, seems like even the fish at ZOOM can fold the garbage hands and you just end up walking into the nuts everytime.
I think at 25nl the player pools are similarly soft in each but for me 24tabling fullring had one significant drawback which is that i dont pay attention to detail which has so far cost me many $ when trying to battle my way thru 50nl where naked aggression at least for me doesnt work as much as it does at 25nl. so playing few tables and learning to adapt quickly and making more accurate reads has many short and longterm benefits imo esp wrt moving up to stakes where ppl dont respect my raises anymore also its more fun to pay less hads but more creatively. i do disagree with ur perception of zoom tho. when ppl have the nutz they make it quite obvious especially at zoom so they are pretty easy to exploit by folding when u dont have the nutz. 'walking into the nutz at zoom' was my own main argument for why i didnt like zoom much but really you only need to make proper adjustments and 25nl in any form isnt much trouble
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01-31-2013 , 09:14 PM
+1 ^

its the same when ppl say the swings are larger at zoom, its not the case at all. ppl just make excuses and then go back to bum hunting
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01-31-2013 , 09:28 PM
its funny how you still think table selecting is a bad thing tbh
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01-31-2013 , 09:49 PM
im not sure where you've misunderstood but i've never said table selecting is bad, i've only ever said people who say the zoom games aren't soft are wrong.

edit: sorry if i offended you by calling table selecting bum hunting
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01-31-2013 , 09:53 PM
i m not offended all i m saying is that ppl that play reg tbls without table selecting are leaving tons of money on the tables
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01-31-2013 , 10:04 PM
well obviously but you also said for quite some time there was no reason to play zoom which isnt correct.
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01-31-2013 , 10:09 PM
yea that argument is void. i was just bad tbh

however at similar volume reg tables are still gonna make more money so that point deffo still stands
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02-01-2013 , 04:15 AM
i definitely feel that you need a better hands in general to win the pots at ZOOM than you do at reg tables.
Most of my ZOOM was at 6max though, and i was beating the games, but i wasnt able to use a hud which is quite important at ZOOM if you ask me, as it takes a while to figure out the player types without one.

Cant agree more with what you say about 24tabling, im definately not doing it as a way to improve, more as a way to build some bankroll, not sure if ill be able to do it at 50nl too, because people are alot better there imo, people have more creative lines rather than bet bet bet, so the autopiloting wont work as good.

Also, as playing more creatively at fewer hands as you mentioned, i think i just prefer doing that playing a few standard 6max games, at least you can base it on solid reads that you've built up on, easily my most fun way to play poker.

I heard swings are larger at ZOOM too, not sure if its true, i know people dont stack off as light in general as they do at reg tables, at 25nl you hardly see JJ all in preflop, people do at 50nl frequently though, just have to adjust to it though... 4bet lighter maybe.

Nothing wrong with bumhunting, dont do it myself unless im playing small volume, but it makes sense to take the easy money than rather trying to beat better players, unless you want to improve and learn how to beat the good players, but id rather bumhunt and move up myself.
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02-01-2013 , 08:43 AM
wrt ur very first sentence: just niit up then!

tbh tho i dont agree. i was playing just as loosely at 25nl fr zoom as i was on reg tables and was winning at the same rate so really all it comes down to is adjustng to and exploiting the massive leaks ppl have and not autopiloting then u obv can crush any format. and since i kinda doubt u ll be able to talble select much when u massgrind maybe even zoom is a better option?! pretty sick that i actuallly say sh like that but i think zoom is good to hel u make better decisions as you have longer to decide per hand.

also obv 4tabling zoom givs you roughly 900h/hour so its not like u re missing out on much while i m pretty sure ur winrate *can* increase bigtime as compared to 24 tabling and as you call it autopiloting. when i was grinding 24tbls i wasnt autopilotting much at all but by the sounds of it u re happy to. i think u ll regret that in the long run
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02-01-2013 , 10:27 AM
+1 to everything blakk said

i think the main reason to nit it up at zoom (especially if you dont have a HUD) is that you dont have reads/info. i think a lot of ppl forget this and end up putting themselves in spots where they dnt know what to do.

tbh tho you dont have to look far to find someone with a good WR at zoom games and either they're supernatural or you just aren't working hard enough.
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02-01-2013 , 05:27 PM
sup

didnt play too much today as i stayed up too long yesterday and woke up with somewhat of a fried brain today. but when i played i played (and ran) really well. cant stress enough how enjoyable it is to play only 9 tables

gonna move up to 50nl 6m tomorrow sticking with my short 90 min high quality sessions and hoping to log around 6 hrs on each of the following two days and hopefully get a nice start at 50nl 6max. here s my results for the last 3 days of only 6max reg tables. guess when i moved from 12 to 9 tbls



also, i was just randomly added by some dodgy guy from some arabic country i suppose? i asked their name they said eslam i asked what do you want? he didnt reply i asked how does he now me? reply was 'by luck'. called me twice i picked up once and blocked him after the second call. is there some random way some random guy could hack my pc thru skype? or is this likely to be some ****** making funny jokes?

gonna post a bunch of hads in a sec
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02-01-2013 , 05:44 PM
h1: villain is unknown to this point


Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $30.08
CO: $55.03
BTN: $31.00
SB: $25.10

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with A Q
UTG raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60) 9 A 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($3.60) J (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.25, calls $2.25

River: ($8.10) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $5.25, Hero folds

rly unsure how to play this hnd vs an unknown here. folding pre obv is out of th question so out of the other two options i think a 3b is kinda meh vs UTG. obv vs mp or later positions we can 3b for value but vs utg and with no idea of his range i suspect this to be pretty thin if not too thin. flop same applies wrt a ceckraise imo. obv there s some draws but barring reads i dunno how he plays them and xrfolding seems pretty ******ed.

alltho there s merit to xrfolding if we assume if called that villain is bluffcatching or drawing and if he bet3bets flop his range either flips or crushes us but that d involve a lot of assumptions. i think tho that i should fold the turn?


h2:
flatter is reg with a high 3b. squeezer is 3bhappy aggro reg.

CO: $53.23
BTN: $27.69
SB: $25.00
BB: $17.13
Hero (UTG): $48.35

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, BTN raises to $2.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6, CO calls $5.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($14.75) 7 6 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($14.75) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8, Hero folds

i obv 3bet for value vs the btn assuming that he also views the coldcaller's range as weak so obv decent squeeze spot. i m deffo stacking off her if action goes fold, 5b. when the guy coldcalls again this screams slowplay to me and highly unlikely to be an unpaired hand so i just went ahead and checkfolded both streets. seems incredibly nitty but i literally didnt see him flat twice with anything but QQ+


h3: aggro villain, 23% 3b over not too many hands but seems aggro all across the board.

MP: $26.16
Hero (CO): $25.00
BTN: $28.95
SB: $25.10
BB: $35.18
UTG: $27.38

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with J J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN raises to $2.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, BTN calls $2.75

Flop: ($10.35) 5 4 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.10, BTN raises to $9.75, Hero raises to $20 all in BTN calls $10.25 all in

ran it twice and held both times vs T7

Last edited by blakkman08; 02-01-2013 at 06:09 PM.
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02-01-2013 , 05:45 PM
Blakkman didnt know where to ask this question but seen as you know everything about everything, do you have any idea where it tells you how many vpps you get in MTTs? I dont think it does atall unless im just missin it.

Gl this year mate!
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02-01-2013 , 05:45 PM
probs a ******, highly doubt they could hack you... might want to do some quick google searches just to be safe but i really doubt it.
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02-01-2013 , 05:53 PM
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...9214135AAlYqzV

guess the first guy know what he s saying. still blocked the guy
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02-01-2013 , 05:57 PM
probs some drunk guys entering random names into skype

skype roulette imo
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02-01-2013 , 05:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhyDid I doThat :|
Blakkman didnt know where to ask this question but seen as you know everything about everything, do you have any idea where it tells you how many vpps you get in MTTs? I dont think it does atall unless im just missin it.

Gl this year mate!
http://www.pokerstars.com/vip/earn/

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For example, if you play a tournament which costs $10+$1 to enter, $10 goes into the prize pool, and $1 is the entry fee. You earn 5.5 VPPs for each $1 USD in entry fees, so you would receive 5.5 VPPs for playing this event.
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02-01-2013 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by WhyDid I doThat :|
Blakkman didnt know where to ask this question but seen as you know everything about everything,
lol wot?

but yea i woulda referred u to the link in above post if i had seen ur post in time
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02-01-2013 , 06:12 PM
to that AQ hand: i assume the guys talking about balance will probly say i should only have two ranges in this spot? like ch/fold and ch/raise as i am likely to ch/raise my draws and sets here so i can go merged and make it hard to play against me? may actually be not too bad an idea but vs an unknown i kinda expect him to not barrel this board much so when he does esp on this runout i can exploit the avg villain by folding?

or obv ch/f and ch/call everything incl sets an draws but not both
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02-01-2013 , 06:30 PM
haha thanks guys!
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02-01-2013 , 06:32 PM
h1/2/3 all look fine to me

if ur going to be balanced you shud obv have a c/c, c/r and c/f range otherwise you can never c/c which sucks.

if your going to c/r every draw then yeah you should c/r tp/2prs as well otherwise ur semi bluffs/bluffs outweigh ur value hands.

i wouldnt even be concerned about it at 25nl, i think u played it fine
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02-01-2013 , 06:34 PM
Rly don't think checkcalling is important to even have as an option in spots like this. As played I think turn has to be a fold or river a call. Feels like I failed at some point in that hand
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02-01-2013 , 07:02 PM
i think if were ip id call turn but oop i think folding is better than calling and folding river.
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02-01-2013 , 09:05 PM
lolololol water to rail a 2knl table and forgot that i had autoaccept seat on. sat down and SNAP filled the entire table but luckily could leave before anything happened haha
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