$20k isn't probably even close to the real amount considering that the graphs in this thread are only from the last year or so. Apparently OP has been doing this for over a decade so I wouldn't be surprised if he has donked off over $100k at this point.

lol, my mistake.

You are beyond delusional and I've tried to give you advice (numerous times) but you'll never learn, and after talking to you at the table I can see everyone else in this thread was correct to immediately write you off. I empathized with you to a point but there's obviously something severely wrong with you and I hope you get the help you need.

Here's my final contribution to this thread - Me slowrolling you for over a minute with a boat:

#Game No : 606320
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 606320 *****
$0.01/$0.02 Blinds No Limit Holdem - ***
Table Oldham 6 Max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Mastif09 ( $0.43 )
Seat 2: Paisting ( $7.49 )
Seat 4: yrik222 ( $2.38 )
Seat 6: sstrrikkerr ( $2.12 )
Seat 7: DHHD_87 ( $2 )
Seat 9: Hero ( $2.66 )
sstrrikkerr posts small blind [$0.01]
DHHD_87 posts big blind [$0.02]
Paisting posts big blind [$0.02]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qh, Qc ]
Hero raises [$0.09]
Mastif09 calls [$0.09]
Paisting calls [$0.07]
yrik222 calls [$0.09]
sstrrikkerr folds
DHHD_87 calls [$0.07]
** Dealing flop ** [ Qs, 9c, 9h ]
DHHD_87 checks
Hero checks
Mastif09 checks
Paisting checks
yrik222 bets [$0.23]
DHHD_87 folds
Hero calls [$0.23]
Mastif09 folds
Paisting calls [$0.23]
** Dealing turn ** [ 8d ]
Hero checks
Paisting checks
yrik222 checks
** Dealing river ** [ 3s ]
Hero bets [$0.57]
Paisting raises [$7.17]
yrik222 folds
Hero waits a full minute and then calls [$1.77]
** Summary **
Paisting shows [ Jd, Ts ]
Hero shows [ Qh, Qc ]
Hero collected [ $5.47 ]

Have a nice life you degenerate.

PS: Stop telling other players to kill themselves after you lose a hand.

I've grinded cash before. Actually you can make like $350 on NL2z a month, if you grind full time. For example: 7 bigs winrate, 1.15k/hr speed, on average, with a short 5min break once an hour included. About 217.5h/month. However, here's the problem. 1)massive waste of time. 2)rent + groceries easily cost more.

Why do I comment. Because that's 4.76 years not 20 years. So, yes it's bad, but it's not that bad. Else I'm not arguing, just wanted to improve the estimation. With the numbers that I posted which I stand by are current and accurate, if you will

Anyway. @Pasting My 2c. If you now want to beat 2z. Learn a strategy and execution to win at least $150 a month from 2z, once you've done this you can optimize to $250 $300, maybe $350 then you can move up if you want

Why not just aim for like $150 a month and achieve it. Yes, it's stupid to win $150 a month from poker but at least it's a proof you can win the lowest of the limits in the cash game

Also don't say "it will take many years", make a plan that lets you achieve the money back in 2 years or 1 year and 8 months. Don't aim so low. Don't aim at 5-6 years, wtf man.

I'm torn. On the one hand, there's no way that anyone who has the mental ability to turn on a computer doesn't know that playing 45/40/30 with most of the VPIP being whale shoves pre is a massive -ev way of playing.

But on the other hand, it's such massive volume that I can't imagine anyone doing it as a joke or stress relief or entertainment. Like, if you're going to go to a micro table to shove pre a bunch and **** around, cool, but are you really going to 6-8 table it? And do it every day for hours a day? His last graph showed 3.2k hands/day. Even if he's 8 tabling, that's 400 hands/table/day which at 6h tables is what? 4 hours?

It is fascinating, mainly because it doesn't seem real. Someone who wants to get better wouldn't even shove 100bb+ preflop with horrible hands, let alone do it constantly. I assumed it was just creative writing until other people started coming in with first hand experiences.

I answered it here:

Can you do elementary math? Are you smart enough to figure out how often a 3x raise by the button needs to work to be profitable? Can you figure out how to divide that by 2 for each blinds and skew that toward the big blind? Do you have any sense at all?

Also wrt that post above me; Paistling, doesn't it tell you how absurdly bad you are that people don't even believe you're real?

I don't think making OP attempt to do the math is a good idea, but maybe an exaggerated example could help? Shoving 100bb or 200bb over a minraise maybe "feels" ok to OP due to his abysmal IQ. But does he think shoving crap for 10 buyins is still justified? What about shoving 1000 dollars at at a 2nl table with 93o? If he can grasp why this is a bad idea then maybe he can just scale down the numbers and eventually figure out a pattern.

If he cared enough to win, he can put some actual work in. Otherwise ****'em.

Man I feel bad for OP.
I’m imagining how I feel in the middle of a 20bi downswing, and that must be how OP has felt for the last decade.
Find another hobby bro. You’ll feel a lot better if you put this insanity behind you.

OP im gonna record some of my side sessions on juicy stakes @ 4nl, while I play just follow how I play and you will be a winner... gimmie a couple days becuz its hard to get games on juicy stakes lol.

I'll record 1-3 30+ min sessions
my youtube channel is dicky beach poker but i'll leave a link when I've recorded and uploaded it.

62,5 percent of time.


I would really appreciate it. If possible, put the links privately. It has become a trend that more people have begun to come to the same tables with me on this topic.

Please OP don't stop playing,online poker is already dying,without you to donate some money the games will dry out even more.

Now the other questions I asked. Divide by 2 and you get ???. When you're sb you should defend less than in bb. Next is figuring out what the top 20% of hands are in ppt and that's a rough approximation of what you should be 3-betting. It should be slightly < that but baby steps. Learning how to size 3-bets wouldn't hurt either. Remember this is only against the button. Against the cutoff or earlier the other players not in the blinds share some of the responsibility of defending the blinds properly.

62.5 is incorrect, he has no clue how math works, he clearly just googled for the solution and found one for a 2.5x raise size and probably thought it was the same.

and it reflects to his main problem, probably has no clue after 10+ years of playing that raise size matters a lot in EV when he's triing to steal the pot and that's why he goes allin with nonsense holdings just to pick up 5 bb-s.

At this point I'm not even sure he knows what EV or equity is

It's for the 2x and that's what you usually see. 3x is 66 percent. Now you are underestimating my knowledge.

incorrect for 2x too.

2.5x i meant. You really think that after reading all available book out there this is something I don't know?

This is where I think you forget/don't know what kind of people sit there at nl2 tables. Let's say typical stealer with random 2 sh*t cards raise 2.5x. He will call 100% of those hands if 3betting smaller. Also pot on flop is then smaller so they keep calling with any2.

obviously

so if people are calling 100% of those hands your adjustment should be to go wider for value

trying to steal back the pot by jamming 93o is the exact opposite of what you should be doing

You really think anyone can trust the knowledge and analytical skills of a guy with a -100bb or worse winrate over a decade of insane 2nl volume?

off to bull**** fantasy land we go.

"Random 2 **** cards" -> truth: ~30-50%
"He will call 100% of those hands" -> truth: vs. normal 3b size they will call ~50%, more if you pick a braindead size which commits them with ATC
"Also pot on flop is then smaller so they keep calling with any2" -> truth: they care about the size of your bet compared to the size of the pot, a concept that is obvious to almost every 2nl player but which apparently goes over your head after 10 years of "grinding".

Switch to tourneys where the game tree is shallower and shoving ATC is closer to correct, profit!

He would actually have a non-zero chance to win back his losses doing this

OP,

Honest question, what are you hoping to get out of this thread? Its clearly not advice because you've been given great advice over and over and keep ignoring it (number 1 clearly best advice is quit poker obv). It can't be commiserations because most people are reluctant to commiserate with someone so obviously self destructive and reluctant to take responsibility. It can't be strategy help because if you're losing over a BB per hand and shoving 93o preflop there are clearly a million gushing leaks in your game that even helmuth's dumb top ten hands book could fix for you. Why are you here except providing us with a textbook example of denial in action.