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07-25-2016 , 03:10 PM
are u 2 actually friends and just trolling everyone here? or is he actually challenging u to play money hu rofl
07-25-2016 , 03:16 PM
07-25-2016 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by scurra
Sorry man I have to play Patrick at 2kNL for my $99,500 vs his $100,000 crossbook 1000% for 5M hands to get the $500 he scammed me for first but after that we can certainly play 25k hands play money.
You get the chance to proof your a far better than me and for people in the real world $1.500 is quite alot of money.
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Of course we could lower the volume if you wish.

Besides, playing for real money might very well be -ev for anyone but Stars.
07-25-2016 , 03:29 PM
Playing 25.000 hands of playmoney so the other has to donate 1500 to charity seems like a huge waste of time for the best poker player in the world.
07-25-2016 , 03:37 PM
Clearly OP dont post exploitative plays so u dont have to argue 10 pages if it was good or not with us peasants.
07-25-2016 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by that_anon_pgc
Playing 25.000 hands of playmoney so the other has to donate 1500 to charity seems like a huge waste of time for the best poker player in the world.
or for anybody else
07-25-2016 , 04:17 PM
wishlist for teh thread:

- Pads pays up the $500 to OP

- Pads and OP bet 500z

- OP and DennisGpunkt play an epic HU match for real money, 25k hands. Since they are both debatably the best poker player in the world, they get a no rake deal from Pokerstars

- We all troll the chatbox hard as the dickfest swings on

- Meanwhile Pads goes on a ridic heater and wins at 35bb/100 over 75k hands at 500z

- OP clutch wins the 500z bet anyway

- The world burns
07-25-2016 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DennisGPunkt
But thats the last post of me in this thread.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DennisGPunkt
BECAUSE YOU ARE ****ING DUMB ENOUGH TO 3BET KJ!! HOW DONT YOU GET THIS?!

YOU ****IN IDIOT CANT GIVE YOURSELF A HAND, MEASURE THE EV OF YOUR HAND AGAINST HIS RANGE, AND THEN SAY, "Ya, but my overall range is too strong to shove for him"

YOUR RANGE RIGHT NOW IN YOUR SIM IS "KJ" U TOOL.
07-25-2016 , 04:20 PM
You gotta settle this hand arguement like mens! Go 1k or 600NL hu challenge Ja$onB vs Dennis.

No1 gets hurt at 1k or 600nl!!
07-25-2016 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by scurra
Hard to bump thread when I know I'll end up having to light up a bunch of ****regs posting lies and cringey banter.

Anyways. I plugged the KJ hand into CREV.

Raise-EV: 7bb



Call-EV: 0bb



These conditions are correct. You can tweak them but as long as you stay realistic the EV numbers will stay in similiar relations.

You can not argue with these numbers.

imfromsweden and dennisgpunkt. Pls refrain from further handanalysis. You both suck.


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Moving forward


$2.50/$5Zoom No Limit Holdem
PokerStars6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
Stacks:
UTG SweetAndSex ($530.90) 106bb
UTG+1 Hero ($1,032.37) 206bb
CO trawlerman00 ($690.36) 138bb
BTN Flufferd ($659.39) 132bb
SB Naghash ($671.12) 134bb
BB wazawskiHH ($1,766.30) 353bb
Pre-Flop: (7.50, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 5 A

1 fold, Hero raises to $11.25, 2 folds, Naghash calls $8.75, wazawskiHH calls $6.25

Flop: J 3 3 ($33.75, 3 players)
Naghash checks, wazawskiHH checks, Hero bets $15.38, Naghash raises to $40, wazawskiHH raises to $103.72, Hero calls $88.34, Naghash folds
Turn: 4 ($281.19, 2)
wazawskiHH checks, Hero bets $60, wazawskiHH calls $60
River: 5 ($401.19, 2)
wazawskiHH checks, Hero goes all-in $857.40, wazawskiHH folds
Final Pot: $1,258.59
Hero wins $1,255.59 (net +$223.22)
Naghash lost $51.25
wazawskiHH lost $174.97


SB is fish. Had 100% x/r over 100 hands. 3 or 4 spots. Waza is bad.
If you werent my king oreddi you are now. Apart from some otb a high cawls for 250bb by far teh strongest hand ive seen tis year





Quote:
Originally Posted by scurra
Do you want me to plug in 67s and see what happens when I 4bet and he jams?

hahahaha how can tis not get moar love




Quote:
Originally Posted by DennisGPunkt
Btw...if you are up for it, lets play 25.000 hands play money and the loser has to pay $ 1.500 to a charity of the winners choice.
Stop teh charity bull****, it gives me aids. 5 years down teh line none of us apart from maybe OP will be able to live out of poker anymoar so ****ing start saving money instead of giving it to charities which solve NOTHING
07-25-2016 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LOLCh1pPorn
wishlist for teh thread:

- more timstone
- tis
- tis
- tis
fyp
07-25-2016 , 06:26 PM


Played pretty bad today. Didn't deserve the chase. Blueline warriord it. Gotta sit down tomorrow and put in some theory before I start the grind. Shouldn't be messing up a single session with the propbet running. Bad Jason BAD. Gonna A-game so hard tomorrow. Advising all of you to take a day off.
07-25-2016 , 07:40 PM
Would you do the Joe Ingram podcast?


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07-25-2016 , 07:47 PM
Poker is so much fun in 2016. Regs talk smack but won't play each other at NL1k. BTW I'm rooting for OP here... just wish someone would have the balls to battle instead of worrying about losing a few hundred dollars to stars in rake. Just cross book or something.
07-25-2016 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by psychosocial
Poker is so much fun in 2016. Regs talk smack but won't play each other at NL1k. BTW I'm rooting for OP here... just wish someone would have the balls to battle instead of worrying about losing a few hundred dollars to stars in rake. Just cross book or something.
id be willing to play up to 600NL, but im not willing to pay the rake on stars.
07-25-2016 , 11:54 PM
What i remember from the past is that dennisg was known to be a -1 to 0.5bb winner over large monthly samples, so a rb grinder or was that someone else?

Hourly is the only factor in success. If dennis makes 40$ an hour at 500zoom then he is much worse than a nl50 or 100 grinder with a good winrate.

500 hands per hour 1bb = 25$/hr + rb, i'd rather drive a garbage truck with benefits than getting 15k downswings for that 3rd world wage salary
07-26-2016 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by botsonparty
What i remember from the past is that dennisg was known to be a -1 to 0.5bb winner over large monthly samples, so a rb grinder or was that someone else?

Hourly is the only factor in success. If dennis makes 40$ an hour at 500zoom then he is much worse than a nl50 or 100 grinder with a good winrate.

500 hands per hour 1bb = 25$/hr + rb, i'd rather drive a garbage truck with benefits than getting 15k downswings for that 3rd world wage salary
If he's making 40$ an hour he's literally making more than any nl50player on stars and more than 90% of NL100 players.

500h/h? You pulling that number of your arsehole? You get close to 1k playing 4 zoom and probably 1.6k 8 tabling

35$/h 3rd world?!

And now back to your truck and get my ****ing garbage
07-26-2016 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
And now back to your truck and get my ****ing garbage
lmao
07-26-2016 , 01:28 AM
Are you guys just gonna bitch or actually battle? I want to see someone go busto.
07-26-2016 , 05:33 AM
I think $60/h is about the lowest one should have in poker today to even consider continuing instead phasing it out to other things/instantly quitting in favour to studying/working. Those $60/h can quickly turn into 25 by the next year etc... very few outlooks in poker.

I mean, anyone making less than that can obivously do it as a sideincome/when they are at home grinding after work etc... but not as primary job in any first world country obv.
07-26-2016 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TouchOfEVil
I think $60/h is about the lowest one should have in poker today to even consider continuing instead phasing it out to other things/instantly quitting in favour to studying/working. Those $60/h can quickly turn into 25 by the next year etc... very few outlooks in poker.

I mean, anyone making less than that can obivously do it as a sideincome/when they are at home grinding after work etc... but not as primary job in any first world country obv.
I see stuff similar to this stated so many times often by cash regs who play mid to highstakes but I totally disagree with this pov

Firstly, $60/h is very relative to where you live, to what that kind of $$$ will buy you and also to what kind of lifestyle you are pursuing. Everyone always assumes that poker is a road to being superballer, but some % of the poker community will have a totally different picture of 'making it'

Then I also think it greatly depends on where you feel you are motivationwise and skillwise. Are you on your way up or way down? (I know timstone will argue we are all on our way down) Will you be able to move up in stakes in the forseeable future? Have you reached your comfort zone in poker and is this the highest EV you can grind out each year? Being honest with yourself answering those questions can give you a better idea of where you are at in poker than just the $/hr number

And finally I also think you have to take into account how much you love the game and the freedom that comes with it. Is it worth giving up a chunk of life-EV for a steady job that pays better? For some people it will definitely be, for others it won't or not yet. Of course it's always smart to look out for future options outside of poker, but I don't think it's as clear cut as 'if you make less then x$/hr, you better pursue other things'

/derail, sry
07-26-2016 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by LOLCh1pPorn
(I know timstone will argue we are all on our way down)
Factual incorrect. While we all are on our way down OP is on his way up. Its only OP though so statement is at least somewat correct
07-26-2016 , 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TouchOfEVil
but not as primary job in any first world country obv.
Everything you wrote was just out of touch. It's all relative to not trying to live like a boss. $60/hr is $90k/yr with reasonable hours. Before playing poker, I made it on $18k/yr and lived on the nice side of a major US city. If you can't make it on even $25/hr playing poker, it says more about you than anything else.
07-26-2016 , 09:02 AM
Poker life podcast pls
07-26-2016 , 09:13 AM
Issue is 18k/year, If you're able to play midstakes+ you're able to go through school and land a decent entry wage assuming you're mentally ready to undergo some sort of responsible living and not a ******ed child.

Couple it with a salary that don't have the overwhelming possibility to deflate rather than inflate, regulation, social securities etc (in Nordic countries more than other)

I make more then said figure and there doesn't go a month where I don't worry about my future ev hourly. **** even friends who make 350ev/hour (no pun intended) worry about bots, regulation and "casino poker".

A decent amount of ppl started working on their gtfo plan years ago, esp sng/hu hyper regs , not hard to imagine why , since it's so much more solveable. However hu deep isn't that far away but sites seem to kill it before that happens


Edit : although I get his fearmongering is way over the top , he got a huge pillow and can fall pretty hard in hourly without living being threatened, coupled with the fact that when nlhe is dead he haves a great poker mind that can move to PLO or even mixed games and continue to cram out a decent living, me ? Not so much

Last edited by TouchOfEVil; 07-26-2016 at 09:24 AM.

      
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