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Old 07-08-2012, 03:19 PM   #126
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

First session at 1KNL was shorter than expected

Didn't play my best, and ran quite awful EV-wise, decided to end the sess a bit after the stop-loss, maybe will do another sess later on at night.

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Will post mostly whining hands

Hand 1: 13% utg opener, in deep, wanted to kick him off an over-pair, villain tanked for 30 seconds and eventually called.


PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $1,068.75
BB: $1,193.81
UTG: $1,466.38
MP: $2,488.02
Hero (CO): $1,611.26
BTN: $3,105.16

SB posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00, SB posts ante $2.00, BB posts ante $2.00, UTG posts ante $2.00, MP posts ante $2.00, Hero posts ante $2.00, BTN posts ante $2.00

Pre Flop: ($27.00) Hero has T 9

UTG raises to $30.00, fold, Hero calls $30.00, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($87.00, 2 players) T 8 4
UTG bets $60.00, Hero calls $60.00

Turn: ($207.00, 2 players) 6
UTG bets $180.00, Hero raises to $488.92, UTG calls $308.92

River: ($1184.84, 2 players) 2
UTG checks, Hero bets $1,030.34 and is all-in, UTG calls $885.46 and is all-in

Spoiler:



Hand 2: Bad play by me probably

PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $565.25
BTN: $1,067.50
SB: $2,427.02
Hero (BB): $1,980.50

SB posts SB $5.00, Hero posts BB $10.00, UTG posts ante $2.00, BTN posts ante $2.00, SB posts ante $2.00, Hero posts ante $2.00

Pre Flop: ($23.00) Hero has 5 A

fold, BTN raises to $25.00, fold, Hero raises to $82.00, BTN calls $57.00

Flop: ($177.00, 2 players) 5 Q 9
Hero bets $108.81, BTN calls $108.81

Turn: ($394.62, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets $210.00, Hero raises to $1,787.69 and is all-in, BTN calls $664.69 and is all-in

River: ($2144.00, 2 players) 9

Spoiler:



Hand 3: Villain is a fish with 20% cbet turn, so thought I can take hand with a turn bet if I don't hit anything.

PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $1,230.02
SB: $1,160.42
BB: $1,158.50
UTG: $400.00
Hero (MP): $1,004.92
CO: $1,189.51

SB posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has Q 9

fold, Hero raises to $25.00, fold, fold, SB raises to $75.00, fold, Hero calls $50.00

Flop: ($160.00, 2 players) T 8 2
SB bets $95.00, Hero calls $95.00

Turn: ($350.00, 2 players) J
SB bets $350.00, Hero raises to $834.92 and is all-in, SB calls $484.92

River: ($2019.84, 2 players) 8

Spoiler:



Hand 4: This is how we ROLL


PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $1,000.00
BB: $450.81
UTG: $455.00
Hero (MP): $1,315.70
CO: $400.00
BTN: $1,513.00

SB posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has A A

UTG raises to $25.00, Hero raises to $65.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG raises to $455.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $390.00

Flop: ($925.00, 2 players) 7 K K

Turn: ($925.00, 2 players) T

River: ($925.00, 2 players) 8

Spoiler:



Hand 5: Minimizing my loses I guess


PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $970.00
SB: $1,020.00
BB: $2,962.50
UTG: $1,731.96
MP: $1,040.00
CO: $405.00

SB posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has Q A

fold, MP raises to $30.00, fold, Hero calls $30.00, fold, fold

Flop: ($75.00, 2 players) Q T Q
MP bets $45.00, Hero raises to $132.86, MP calls $87.86

Turn: ($340.72, 2 players) J
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($340.72, 2 players) 3
MP bets $285.00, Hero calls $285.00

Spoiler:



Actually it's quite normal for me every time I move up stakes to lose a LOT at first couple of sessions, not sure why, maybe it takes me time to adjust to different sizing etc.

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Old 07-08-2012, 03:51 PM   #127
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

Hey bro. Ive kept following. very interesting stuff

best of luck. I hope to have some discussion again soon ^^

do you think theres value in shoving your AQ in the trips A vs full house 333AA vs that guy

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Old 07-09-2012, 06:44 AM   #128
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It would be somewhat a wild guess, and a bit result oriented but I guess something like top 20% of hands, not including 22-77, which he prob flats.
What exactly makes it good 4bet ? You are all deep. He is going to get flatted alot pre I think. When you cold call the 3bet your range looks like JJ/TT/99 that is not surely folding to 4bet. You may have some other hands but overall your cold call 3bet range should be pretty nuttish. Or villain takes this one level further and because all of this it looks really strong for all ?

Or K9s is just one of the best hands he can't call profitably so he should 4bet bluff with it ?
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:30 AM   #129
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Hey bro. Ive kept following. very interesting stuff

best of luck. I hope to have some discussion again soon ^^

do you think theres value in shoving your AQ in the trips A vs full house 333AA vs that guy

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I'm sure there is value in shoving, but my plan was check turn, and call his shove on river, which I presumed he will make almost always. When he just half-pot-bet, it was soooooo ****** suspicious, that I was almost sure he has me beat in some way.
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:34 AM   #130
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What exactly makes it good 4bet ? You are all deep. He is going to get flatted alot pre I think. When you cold call the 3bet your range looks like JJ/TT/99 that is not surely folding to 4bet. You may have some other hands but overall your cold call 3bet range should be pretty nuttish. Or villain takes this one level further and because all of this it looks really strong for all ?

Or K9s is just one of the best hands he can't call profitably so he should 4bet bluff with it ?
You were actually right in everything u said IMO, thus u r missing only the conclusion

"He is going to get flatted alot pre I think"
"When you cold call the 3bet your range looks like JJ/TT/99"
"Or K9s is just one of the best hands he can't call profitably so he should 4bet bluff with it ?"

Because I'm gonna call him really wide, and because basically I almost never have AA/KK in this spot, and because villain is super agro, and because he plans to bet-bet-shove almost 70% of time, and because I'll fold a lot on flop/turn/river, he takes a hand with good blocker, and somewhat nice connectivity to flop, and plays it like it's AA/KK/AK, which he deffinetly has in his range, and I almost don't have in my range.

I took it one level higher than him though, and based on his pre-flop sizing I imagined him having at least 50% semi-bluffs or total bluffs.
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Old 07-09-2012, 12:12 PM   #131
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You were actually right in everything u said IMO, thus u r missing only the conclusion

"He is going to get flatted alot pre I think"
"When you cold call the 3bet your range looks like JJ/TT/99"
"Or K9s is just one of the best hands he can't call profitably so he should 4bet bluff with it ?"

Because I'm gonna call him really wide, and because basically I almost never have AA/KK in this spot, and because villain is super agro, and because he plans to bet-bet-shove almost 70% of time, and because I'll fold a lot on flop/turn/river, he takes a hand with good blocker, and somewhat nice connectivity to flop, and plays it like it's AA/KK/AK, which he deffinetly has in his range, and I almost don't have in my range.

I took it one level higher than him though, and based on his pre-flop sizing I imagined him having at least 50% semi-bluffs or total bluffs.
TY very precise answer . Need to think one level up as the villain and two as the hero
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Old 07-10-2012, 06:34 PM   #132
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

Two hands from today's sess...


PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $1,000.00
UTG: $1,697.12
CO: $1,914.53
BTN: $1,000.00
SB: $1,093.50

SB posts SB $5.00, Hero posts BB $10.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has 7 8

fold, CO raises to $20.00, BTN calls $20.00, fold, Hero calls $10.00

Flop: ($65.00, 3 players) 6 T 2
Hero bets $38.48, CO raises to $149.71, BTN raises to $501.69, Hero raises to $980.00 and is all-in, CO raises to $1,894.53 and is all-in, BTN calls $478.31 and is all-in

Turn: ($3005.00, 3 players) 4

River: ($3005.00, 3 players) 9

Spoiler:


Both CO & BU are aggressive regs, figured I'm at least 50-50 vs last raiser, and thought that by shoving over the top I would make first raiser to fold most of his range (AXdd, AT/KT type hand and JJ). Was actually break-even vs the top-top of his range (33% equity in 3 people pot), and was crushing last raiser..



PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $1,000.00
BB: $410.00
UTG: $681.50
CO: $500.00
Hero (BTN): $1,000.00

SB posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has T T

fold, CO raises to $25.00, Hero raises to $65.00, SB raises to $190.00, fold, fold, Hero calls $125.00

Flop: ($415.00, 2 players) 8 J Q
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($415.00, 2 players) 3
SB bets $205.00, Hero calls $205.00

River: ($825.00, 2 players) 7
SB bets $605.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $605.00 and is all-in

Spoiler:

Co is a fish, SB is a very good and scary reg..

scary-reg: nc
scary-reg: how did you guessed that one?
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Old 07-11-2012, 02:21 AM   #133
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Two hands from today's sess...


PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $1,000.00
UTG: $1,697.12
CO: $1,914.53
BTN: $1,000.00
SB: $1,093.50

SB posts SB $5.00, Hero posts BB $10.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has 7 8

fold, CO raises to $20.00, BTN calls $20.00, fold, Hero calls $10.00

Flop: ($65.00, 3 players) 6 T 2
Hero bets $38.48, CO raises to $149.71, BTN raises to $501.69, Hero raises to $980.00 and is all-in, CO raises to $1,894.53 and is all-in, BTN calls $478.31 and is all-in

Turn: ($3005.00, 3 players) 4

River: ($3005.00, 3 players) 9

Spoiler:


Both CO & BU are aggressive regs, figured I'm at least 50-50 vs last raiser, and thought that by shoving over the top I would make first raiser to fold most of his range (AXdd, AT/KT type hand and JJ). Was actually break-even vs the top-top of his range (33% equity in 3 people pot), and was crushing last raiser..
Would be terrible fold if CO folded the nfd imo. The pot is going to be 3way. Almost the best possible outcome if you raise the flop with nut flush draw. Anyone in any position with the nfd in this spot should be pretty happy getting it in here 3way. Would rather have it than 22 in any position.

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PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $1,000.00
BB: $410.00
UTG: $681.50
CO: $500.00
Hero (BTN): $1,000.00

SB posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has T T

fold, CO raises to $25.00, Hero raises to $65.00, SB raises to $190.00, fold, fold, Hero calls $125.00

Flop: ($415.00, 2 players) 8 J Q
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($415.00, 2 players) 3
SB bets $205.00, Hero calls $205.00

River: ($825.00, 2 players) 7
SB bets $605.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $605.00 and is all-in

Spoiler:

Co is a fish, SB is a very good and scary reg..

scary-reg: nc
scary-reg: how did you guessed that one?
Hero may think that villain would cbet all his value hands on this flop. No need to slowplay on this very wet board that hits hero's calling range hard. Villain's flop range is capped at Jx. If there are any in his 4betting range (AJ maybe). He is not shoving river with it. ------------> Only leaves air in his range.
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Old 07-11-2012, 04:26 AM   #134
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@phenomenal: If the AK vs TT hand was that simple that villain only has air, villain wouldn't be a scary reg. These results oriented analysis won't do you any good
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@phenomenal: If the AK vs TT hand was that simple that villain only has air, villain wouldn't be a scary reg. These results oriented analysis won't do you any good
I know better than just to look at the results and base my analysis on that. It was my honest evaluation what could be going in hero's mind in real time when thinking of bluff catching. There might be more, and if the actual hero wants he can elaborate on that.
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Would be terrible fold if CO folded the nfd imo. The pot is going to be 3way. Almost the best possible outcome if you raise the flop with nut flush draw. Anyone in any position with the nfd in this spot should be pretty happy getting it in here 3way. Would rather have it than 22 in any position.
Seems to me that CO can easily fold anything within this range {AT, KT, QT, JT, JJ, 99, 88, 77, any suited connector up until (and including) K9dd-KQdd}, seems to me like a big chunk of his range.

Regarding the preferring AXdd over 22, that's somewhat a weird statement that I don't agree with.
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Hero may think that villain would cbet all his value hands on this flop. No need to slowplay on this very wet board that hits hero's calling range hard. Villain's flop range is capped at Jx. If there are any in his 4betting range (AJ maybe). He is not shoving river with it. ------------> Only leaves air in his range.
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I know better than just to look at the results and base my analysis on that. It was my honest evaluation what could be going in hero's mind in real time when thinking of bluff catching. There might be more, and if the actual hero wants he can elaborate on that.
Generally speaking I agree with you in most what you say, except the "slowplay" on the wet board. It seems to me that betting this flop will lead to less EV extraction than "slowplaying" it (I think the better term is *inducing*).

Generally speaking I think it's not that hard hand to analyse, and either I'm right, either I'm wrong, kinda black-and-white hand.

I made a 3bet on a fish with position (wider than my regular 3bet range), scary-reg picked it up and made a 4bet out-of-position (wider than his ussual 4bet range), I think he has a LOT of AK/AQ there, so I have no problem calling with position.

Flop came kinda missed for a big chunk of his range + no cbet seems very odd, because I think he will cbet there QQ as well, especially vs me (I like to call small flop bets in 4bet pots), and I took it as a sign of weakness.

Didn't want to lose hand to check-shove + wanted to keep him as wide as I can (maybe inducing some weird bluff from his air range), so I check behind.

Turn opened him (In my mind OFC) a FD with his A/K hearts, I pay turn to snap any river that is not A/K/heart , river SNAP.
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Two hands from last 2 days...

Hand 1: BB is a fish, BU is a somewhat tricky-tilti-reg.


PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $1,084.00
BTN: $1,884.75
Hero (SB): $2,221.22
BB: $702.73

Hero posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has A A

fold, BTN raises to $20.00, Hero raises to $80.00, BB calls $70.00, BTN calls $60.00

Flop: ($240.00, 3 players) 8 3 9
Hero bets $126.40, BB calls $126.40, BTN calls $126.40

Turn: ($619.20, 3 players) 5
Hero bets $227.38, fold, BTN calls $227.38

River: ($1073.96, 2 players) K
Hero checks, BTN bets $697.09, Hero calls $697.09

Spoiler:



Hand 2: BU is a good reg, BB is a fish.

PokerStars - $6 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $616.24
BB: $844.78
UTG: $600.00
MP: $1,268.09
Hero (CO): $835.18
BTN: $871.80

SB posts SB $3.00, BB posts BB $6.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to $13.20, BTN calls $13.20, fold, BB calls $7.20

Flop: ($42.60, 3 players) T T 2
BB checks, Hero bets $25.22, BTN calls $25.22, fold

Turn: ($93.04, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BTN bets $60.00, Hero calls $60.00

River: ($213.04, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BTN bets $144.00, Hero calls $144.00

Spoiler:
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

Played some 2KNL today because of major-chinese-fish involvement.

Biggest hand was vs him, and sadly he actually out-played me in this spot


PokerStars - $20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (SB): $2,866.00
BB: $4,986.00
UTG: $4,996.00
MP: $8,055.36
CO: $6,656.50
BTN: $6,108.50

Hero posts SB $10.00, BB posts BB $20.00, Hero posts ante $4.00, BB posts ante $4.00, UTG posts ante $4.00, MP posts ante $4.00, CO posts ante $4.00, BTN posts ante $4.00

Pre Flop: ($54.00) Hero has 7 A

fold, MP raises to $60.00, fold, fold, Hero calls $50.00, fold

Flop: ($164.00, 2 players) 5 6 8
Hero checks, MP bets $80.00, Hero raises to $250.13, MP calls $170.13

Turn: ($664.26, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $352.46, MP calls $352.46

River: ($1369.18, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $747.03, MP raises to $1,620.00, Hero calls $872.97

Spoiler:
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Regarding the preferring AXdd over 22, that's somewhat a weird statement that I don't agree with.
It is a gut reaction to the fact that we are getting 3way all in vs regs. For a fact you will be drawing to 1 out x percent of the time. That % is bigger cause we are dealing with regs rather than fish. Let's brake down the worst case scenario --->

Board: Td 6c 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 04.430% 04.43% 00.00% 720 0.00 { 2c2s }
Hand 1: 47.785% 47.79% 00.00% 7767 0.00 { TT, 66 }
Hand 2: 47.785% 47.79% 00.00% 7767 0.00 { TT, 66 }


And then one which is little closer to truth with monster draws.


Board: Td 6c 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.781% 31.78% 00.00% 105610 0.00 { 2c2s }
Hand 1: 34.109% 34.10% 00.00% 113332 15.00 { TT, 66, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d }
Hand 2: 34.109% 34.10% 00.00% 113332 15.00 { TT, 66, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d }

Same vs 3 regs

Board: Td 6c 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 13.222% 13.22% 00.00% 378606 0.00 { 2c2s }
Hand 1: 28.926% 28.92% 00.01% 828002 276.00 { TT, 66, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d }
Hand 2: 28.926% 28.92% 00.01% 828002 276.00 { TT, 66, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d }
Hand 3: 28.926% 28.92% 00.01% 828002 276.00 { TT, 66, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d }


VS AK


Board: Td 6c 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.018% 28.02% 00.00% 4554 0.00 { AdKd }
Hand 1: 35.991% 35.99% 00.00% 5850 0.00 { TT, 66 }
Hand 2: 35.991% 35.99% 00.00% 5850 0.00 { TT, 66 }


3way allin + monster draws


Board: Td 6c 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.283% 26.28% 00.00% 49366 0.00 { AdKd }
Hand 1: 36.858% 36.85% 00.01% 69217 12.00 { TT, 66, 22, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d }
Hand 2: 36.858% 36.85% 00.01% 69217 12.00 { TT, 66, 22, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d }

AK vs 3 regs


Board: Td 6c 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 22.592% 22.59% 00.00% 326784 0.00 { AdKd }
Hand 1: 25.803% 25.79% 00.01% 373100 132.00 { TT, 66, 22, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d }
Hand 2: 25.803% 25.79% 00.01% 373100 132.00 { TT, 66, 22, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d }
Hand 3: 25.803% 25.79% 00.01% 373100 132.00 { TT, 66, 22, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d }



Sorry for the longish post but just trying to make the point that after enough regs go all in in front of you 22 becomes crap. AK is never crap. The more regs all in the better
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It is a gut reaction to the fact that we are getting 3way all in vs regs. For a fact you will be drawing to 1 out x percent of the time. That % is bigger cause we are dealing with regs rather than fish. Let's brake down the worst case scenario --->

Board: Td 6c 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 04.430% 04.43% 00.00% 720 0.00 { 2c2s }
Hand 1: 47.785% 47.79% 00.00% 7767 0.00 { TT, 66 }
Hand 2: 47.785% 47.79% 00.00% 7767 0.00 { TT, 66 }
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Sorry for the longish post but just trying to make the point that after enough regs go all in in front of you 22 becomes crap. AK is never crap. The more regs all in the better
Thanks for the feedback, I'm not using PokerStove any more (prob a leak) so any input from there is appreciated.

I think the beauty in poker nowadays (I think I already mentioned it previously in the thread), when everybody play the "correct" ranges, and the only thing that is left for individual players, is the Range Assigning.

For example, though your calculations seems right, I disagree with some of the hand you put in there, and from the other hand think there's a lot more hands that you didn't put there. I can tell you that IMO when I go all in in this spot, more than 50% of the time CO folds, and I go HU. Me personally will always prefer 3rd nut-hand and not FD, but it's just me I guess...

Example for hands that IMO are not in villain's ranges: AdKd, AdQd. Furthermore, if one of them has the Ad (which is possible), then it means that the other one loses all the AdXd combos (they can't have it both).

Hands I think are in CO range that you didn't put: JT, QT, KT, AT, JJ.

Hands in BU range IMO that you didn't put: lot's of three-gap suited (7d4d, 5d2d etc.), T6, JJ, KdQd, KdJd, KdTd, Kd9d, Kd8d, Kd7d, QdJd, QdTd, Qd9d, Qd8d, Jd9d, Jd8d, Jd7d, 9d6d (insta all-in with this hand for BU), and so on...

Anyways thanks for input.
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

Since moving to play 1KNL/2KNL (10 days more or less) I was kinda getting crushed at the higher-stakes (about -30bb/100 for 4k hands), but managed to super-crush the lower stakes (400NL + 600NL, 20bb/100 for 15k hands) so eventually actually won some cash

Games at 1KNL are deffinetly thougher (reg-wise), but I believe that after making some necessary adjustments I will be profitable.

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Hand 1: One of the very first hands at 1KNL, vs a known reg


PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $1,068.75
BB: $1,193.81
UTG: $1,466.38
MP: $2,488.02
Hero (CO): $1,611.26
BTN: $3,105.16

SB posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00, SB posts ante $2.00, BB posts ante $2.00, UTG posts ante $2.00, MP posts ante $2.00, Hero posts ante $2.00, BTN posts ante $2.00

Pre Flop: ($27.00) Hero has T 9

UTG raises to $30.00, fold, Hero calls $30.00, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($87.00, 2 players) T 8 4
UTG bets $60.00, Hero calls $60.00

Turn: ($207.00, 2 players) 6
UTG bets $180.00, Hero raises to $488.92, UTG calls $308.92

River: ($1184.84, 2 players) 2
UTG checks, Hero bets $1,030.34 and is all-in, UTG calls $885.46 and is all-in

Spoiler:


Villain open around 13% from EP, kinda saw him as an over-pair and thought he'll fold to a river shove + tried to think what's my raise turn / shove river range and decided it's mostly for value (sets, straight, two-pairs etc.) so had to shove this semi-bluff as well IMO.


Hand 2: Vs one of the best 1/2KNL

PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $1,022.75
BB: $1,005.00
UTG: $355.00
MP: $2,663.43
Hero (CO): $1,084.83
BTN: $470.50

SB posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has K J

fold, fold, Hero raises to $22.00, fold, fold, BB raises to $90.00, Hero calls $68.00

Flop: ($185.00, 2 players) K 2 9
BB bets $110.00, Hero calls $110.00

Turn: ($405.00, 2 players) 6
BB bets $200.00, Hero calls $200.00

River: ($805.00, 2 players) T
BB bets $605.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $605.00

Spoiler:



Figured he has tons of cbet turn hands that I'm good against, plus figured if he misses turn, most of the time he'll shove river, so from the turn decided I c/c any river.


Hand 3: Vs an aggressive reg


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $178.67
Hero (CO): $404.44
BTN: $557.03
SB: $160.00
BB: $28.17

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has Q K

fold, Hero raises to $8.80, BTN raises to $26.24, fold, fold, Hero calls $17.44

Flop: ($58.48, 2 players) Q 3 T
Hero checks, BTN bets $36.00, Hero calls $36.00

Turn: ($130.48, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets $84.00, Hero calls $84.00

River: ($298.48, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, BTN bets $410.79 and is all-in, Hero calls $258.20 and is all-in

Spoiler:



We had some dynamics after he started to 3bet me low pretty wide (because he saw I'm call OOP a lot and thought that he can own me post ), same as in last hand, turn is the street where the decision was made, river was an easy one , but seems like a lot of gents will donk this (IMO? not sure about that but just seems that way, especially on the lower buy-ins).
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:47 PM   #143
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Can't really give you advice, but nice to see that you are doing well
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Hand 1: One of the very first hands at 1KNL, vs a known reg


PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $1,068.75
BB: $1,193.81
UTG: $1,466.38
MP: $2,488.02
Hero (CO): $1,611.26
BTN: $3,105.16

SB posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00, SB posts ante $2.00, BB posts ante $2.00, UTG posts ante $2.00, MP posts ante $2.00, Hero posts ante $2.00, BTN posts ante $2.00

Pre Flop: ($27.00) Hero has T 9

UTG raises to $30.00, fold, Hero calls $30.00, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($87.00, 2 players) T 8 4
UTG bets $60.00, Hero calls $60.00

Turn: ($207.00, 2 players) 6
UTG bets $180.00, Hero raises to $488.92, UTG calls $308.92

River: ($1184.84, 2 players) 2
UTG checks, Hero bets $1,030.34 and is all-in, UTG calls $885.46 and is all-in

Spoiler:


Villain open around 13% from EP, kinda saw him as an over-pair and thought he'll fold to a river shove + tried to think what's my raise turn / shove river range and decided it's mostly for value (sets, straight, two-pairs etc.) so had to shove this semi-bluff as well IMO.
I think I saw this hand allready in Zomgtilt's or Dintyo's blog . I like the bluff. Probably just called because he was so high in his bluff catching range. AA-JJ is 24 combos. Straights/sets/two pairs are 20 combos (97/TT/88/66/44/T8/86). Top of that he can have missed NFD aswell or QJcc. He should be folding more than 50% of the time. If he snaps calls you with JJ then it was a good bluff in theory and bad in practice. But don't see him doing that.

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Hand 2: Vs one of the best 1/2KNL

PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $1,022.75
BB: $1,005.00
UTG: $355.00
MP: $2,663.43
Hero (CO): $1,084.83
BTN: $470.50

SB posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has K J

fold, fold, Hero raises to $22.00, fold, fold, BB raises to $90.00, Hero calls $68.00

Flop: ($185.00, 2 players) K 2 9
BB bets $110.00, Hero calls $110.00

Turn: ($405.00, 2 players) 6
BB bets $200.00, Hero calls $200.00

River: ($805.00, 2 players) T
BB bets $605.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $605.00

Spoiler:



Figured he has tons of cbet turn hands that I'm good against, plus figured if he misses turn, most of the time he'll shove river, so from the turn decided I c/c any river.
Great players want to make you think that they barrel way too much. Is it possible that villain is actually only shoving river when he hits ?

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Hand 3: Vs an aggressive reg


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $178.67
Hero (CO): $404.44
BTN: $557.03
SB: $160.00
BB: $28.17

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has Q K

fold, Hero raises to $8.80, BTN raises to $26.24, fold, fold, Hero calls $17.44

Flop: ($58.48, 2 players) Q 3 T
Hero checks, BTN bets $36.00, Hero calls $36.00

Turn: ($130.48, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets $84.00, Hero calls $84.00

River: ($298.48, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, BTN bets $410.79 and is all-in, Hero calls $258.20 and is all-in

Spoiler:



We had some dynamics after he started to 3bet me low pretty wide (because he saw I'm call OOP a lot and thought that he can own me post ), same as in last hand, turn is the street where the decision was made, river was an easy one , but seems like a lot of gents will donk this (IMO? not sure about that but just seems that way, especially on the lower buy-ins).
Do you think you beat anything in his value range ? What do you think about 4betting pre for value ?
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I think I saw this hand allready in Zomgtilt's or Dintyo's blog . I like the bluff. Probably just called because he was so high in his bluff catching range. AA-JJ is 24 combos. Straights/sets/two pairs are 20 combos (97/TT/88/66/44/T8/86). Top of that he can have missed NFD aswell or QJcc. He should be folding more than 50% of the time. If he snaps calls you with JJ then it was a good bluff in theory and bad in practice. But don't see him doing that.
Ty for the combination-analyse, nice to see that the math supports the intuition.


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Great players want to make you think that they barrel way too much. Is it possible that villain is actually only shoving river when he hits ?
I might be wrong with me thinking that he shoves tons of missed rivers, but my justification for this statement comes from me calling a wide-range on flop+turn, and fold to river shove when I miss/don't improve = He shoves rightly most rivers.


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Do you think you beat anything in his value range ? What do you think about 4betting pre for value ?
I beat his Qx lower kicker, all of his Ace type hands with club, most of his Ace type hands without club, and some weird combos that turn themselves into a river bluff (KcTw/e etc.).

4betting pre for value seems kinda the standard here, but I felt he's gonna shove on top of me pretty wide range, didn't want to go to a 45-55 flip + I go to flop dominating his K/Q and not the other way around. In the specific dynamics I preffered just flatting and aiming for showdown.
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Some weird hands from last 2 days:

Hand 1: VS Lagish violent reg


PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $1,289.34
BTN: $2,621.29
SB: $1,982.05
Hero (BB): $1,015.00

SB posts SB $5.00, Hero posts BB $10.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has T A

fold, BTN raises to $20.00, fold, Hero raises to $80.00, BTN calls $60.00

Flop: ($165.00, 2 players) K 6 K
Hero bets $101.37, BTN calls $101.37

Turn: ($367.74, 2 players) Q
Hero bets $194.10, BTN calls $194.10

River: ($755.94, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN bets $2,245.82 and is all-in, Hero calls $639.53 and is all-in

Spoiler:


Flop and turn bets are for value, river prob gonna shove any river except A/T/J where I go to check-call mode to induce.


Hand 2: VS same reg, couple of hands later


PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $1,953.94
BB: $1,081.00
UTG: $1,028.44
MP: $1,288.12
CO: $4,111.33
Hero (BTN): $1,300.00

SB posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00, SB posts ante $2.00, BB posts ante $2.00, UTG posts ante $2.00, MP posts ante $2.00, CO posts ante $2.00, Hero posts ante $2.00

Pre Flop: ($27.00) Hero has 8 A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $22.00, fold, BB calls $12.00

Flop: ($61.00, 2 players) 8 6 Q
BB bets $40.00, Hero calls $40.00

Turn: ($141.00, 2 players) 2
BB bets $100.00, Hero raises to $279.14, BB calls $179.14

River: ($699.28, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero bets $956.86 and is all-in, BB calls $737.86 and is all-in

Spoiler:


Raised turn for value + fold equity, when he called I figured most of his calling range consists from low flushes+two-pair+sets+one pair one diamond type of hands, and wanted to just check from behind on most rivers, but then the last diamond came and I figured I could get him to fold most of his two-pair+sets range, perhaps even some low flush-draw etc.

Arguable spot to say the least...


Hand 3: Outside the box play vs great-scary reg


PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $1,932.00
Hero (SB): $1,020.00
BB: $2,097.33
UTG: $1,226.80
MP: $2,122.00
CO: $1,000.00

Hero posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has K A

fold, MP raises to $30.00, fold, fold, Hero calls $25.00, fold

Flop: ($70.00, 2 players) K 2 8
Hero checks, MP bets $50.00, Hero raises to $148.51, MP calls $98.51

Turn: ($367.02, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $192.93, MP calls $192.93

River: ($752.88, 2 players) 2
Hero bets $648.56 and is all-in, MP calls $648.56

Spoiler:



Was kinda scared playing vs the guy vs his EP range + he's gonna flat/fold kinda often, and put me in a bad shape. Flop came perfect, easy for him to put me on a draw and go to call-call-call mode with a lot of his range.


Hand 4: Toughest hand of the session IMO, vs ment, a good reg



PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $1,856.94
BB: $2,266.00
UTG: $1,105.44
MP: $1,188.12
CO: $4,071.33
Hero (BTN): $1,350.00

SB posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00, SB posts ante $2.00, BB posts ante $2.00, UTG posts ante $2.00, MP posts ante $2.00, CO posts ante $2.00, Hero posts ante $2.00

Pre Flop: ($27.00) Hero has 9 9

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $22.00, SB calls $17.00, fold

Flop: ($66.00, 2 players) 6 4 3
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($66.00, 2 players) 9
SB bets $55.00, Hero raises to $146.70, SB raises to $345.00, Hero calls $198.30

River: ($756.00, 2 players) A
SB bets $490.00, Hero calls $490.00

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Just a though hand, have lots of things to say here, but first I want some input. BB is a lagish reg, so I think SB might have here more suited connectors than usual...
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Don't u think people are much more likely to have sc's in bb than sb?
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[ ] tough hand
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[ ] tough hand
Would u click-back / raise turn?

Would u shove river for value or just call?

Reasons?
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Turn 4bet would be silly
Shove this river. Reason is cause you have the effective nuts.

Edit: Well, it would be silly for your range. It wouldn't be silly with certain dynamics where you think villain is more likely to be airballing with his 3betting range and would more likely 5b bluff the turn rather than bluff rivers.

Edit2: Whether villain would b/c a set is another matter but you're beat only that 1% of the time that he misclicked 57s pre, and IME, no one likes folding a set on a rainbow board when you rep absolutely nothing.

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